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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:33 PM
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The REAL message of the Massachusetts Massacre
The corporate-run Main Stream Media will ignore it, but the REAL message from tonights Massachusetts Massacre is that it was a clear REJECTION of the "third way" DLC wing of the Democratic Party.

In 2008 Americans were energized by Barack Obama, and came out for him in droves during the elections, because Democrats, Independents, and even some Republicans, were HUNGRY for REAL CHANGE.

Unfortunately, whether he is under the spell of a Rasputin - Rahm Emanuel; or, because it is his true nature, President Obama has governed like a timid DLC Corporatist. "That's not change, that's more of the same!"

That failure (refusal) to deliver real change alientated those Independents, and the progressive Democratic base, and those Independents and Progressives stayed home tonight.

The President, and his team, have no one to blame but themselves.

Hopefully, they will learn from it, and work to re-build some bridges with the base, before the mid-terms. Otherwise, 2010 is going to be UGLY!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:34 PM
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1. Blame the boogey man...the DLC. That's the ticket.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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4. Putting the Blame Squarely where it Belongs . . .
At the feet of the President, and the DLC.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:13 PM
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22. I think Obama thought he had MA in the bag
Maybe if he had campaigned more vigorously he might have helped. But the people were tired of the same old same old and didn't feel energized enough to go out and vote.

If Obama doesn't start to show some of the spunk he whips up when he gives a speech I am certain that the people won't show up to vote in November either.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:30 AM
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24. Thing is, Obama should have called Coakley up and told her to GET
HER ASS back from vacation and get out there campaigning--and gotten some DLC money to her so she could do it. She would not have lost if she hadn't acted like she didn't care one way or the other whether she won. In fact, none of the bigwig Dems, including Coakley herself, seemed to give a shit. So the voters are supposed to give a shit??? Come on. This was either deliberate, or it was political stupidity. Either way, heads should roll.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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7.  OK n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:01 PM
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19. They ARE the Boogeymen and Boogeywomen
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 11:01 PM by Armstead
They castrated the Democratic Party and sold it to corporate interests over the years and made the party a pale shadow of the GOP instead of the fighting liberal populist party.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:06 PM
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20. Hey, what can I say, sometimes boogeymen are wrong.
And other times they're just pure triangulating evil. :shrug:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:35 PM
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2.  KnR.
:thumbsup:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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3. So sad how many people here don't get it
People aren't going to protest a move to the right by voting in someone who will help move the country even further to the right.

That is absurd.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:41 PM
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11. MA Dems and Indies didn't vote FOR Brown . . .
They stayed home, and DIDN'T vote for Coakley.

Get it, now?
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:44 PM
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14. According to this article there was big turnout in Mass
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 10:45 PM by Cali_Democrat
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-naw-mas...


That flies in the face of your claim that people stayed home.
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:46 PM
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16. Wait until they breakdown the numbers . . .
you will see that left-leaning I's and progressive D's stayed home.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:53 AM
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29. MA dems did turn out and did vote for Coakley
it was the Independents who voted for Brown. They did in fact vote FOR him. They were concerned about deficits.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:49 PM
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17. And yet some here think that they have found a way through that wormhole.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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5. You don't get it do you?
Tip O'Niel said "All politics is local". Coakley made 19 campaign appearances to Brown's 66.

The message is get out there and don't take things for granted.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:44 PM
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15. You got it...
I remember back in 1998 when I convinced a mayor from a tiny suburb here in Cuyahoga County to run for commissioner against a guy with over 90% name rec. I knew them both and I knew my guy would be out there every day shaking hands, walking in parades, going to every dinner across the county. I also knew the other guy who was the consummate insider.

I was right, he stayed inside and we stayed outside and kicked butt...

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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6. So when is Rahm going to run for Chicago mayor?
I can't wait.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:37 PM
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8. there is a problem = Congress
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:40 PM
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9. So, the people who are angry over the right-wing moves of the Democrats are going to
vote in someone who is even more right-wing...
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:41 PM
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10. wars will go one, pharma/wall st will rejoice, neocon war criminals will go unpunished
and the white house will focus (in vain) on "independents"

forget gitmo, don't ask/don't tell, gaza...

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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:41 PM
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12. Get rid of Rahm Emanuel! Bring back Howard Dean! n/t
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:41 PM
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13. I agree with your assessment but
I really doubt that they will see it that way. They are DLCers all the way. Rahm needs to go, at the least, to start to rebuild any kind of trust with the base and with all the American public. They need to admit that they are wrong and with the crew he has around him I can't see him confronting them. A lot of them are long time buddies.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 10:59 PM
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18. I posted this in another thread, but it seems to apply here
My thoughts:

The future of democracy depends on people rejecting the notion that the Democratic Party should be transmogrified into a watered down, neoconservative version of the Republican Party.

Here's what I would like to see: All the moderate Democrats ("New Democrats") give the Democratic Party back to the democrats; all the moderate Republicans ("Neocons") give the Republican Party back to the republicans. The "moderates" can band together and form their own centrist party, where they'll be free to pursue their bastardized platform. The rest of us return to an honest debate between opposing yet loyal people with the country's best interests in mind.

Here's what bothers me about "Moderates" or "Centrists": I can never figure out if they have a belief system of compromise, or if they have a compromised belief system.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:09 PM
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21. Who voted for Coakley to win the Primaries?
and where were the "progressive" party, and why didn't their primary candidate win?

Cause to me, it seems like voters have to be responsible for something, no?
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:46 AM
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27. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one
Clearly she wasn't the strongest candidate and yet she won the primary. How on earth did that happen?
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 11:34 PM
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23. Remember all of those "1st Time Voters" who came out for Obama in '08?
I'll bet you "dollars to donuts" that the majority of those voters stayed home tonight.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:14 AM
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25. Obama has forgotten that you dance with the one you came with to the Ball
I truly believe that Obama and so many of the Democrats in Congress have tried so hard and bent over backwards to be appeasing to the Republicans and Centrists, that they forgot who got them to where they are and they have as a result lost those people and lost on so many issues. I see the win in MA with Scott Brown as a very strong indication of this. If the Dems and Obama do not start seeing that they need to be true to the droves of people who wanted real change and to then fight for it (Republicans be damned) then they will lose BIG in 2010.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:44 AM
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26. BS. Coakley ran a very shitty campaign. She STUNK. Period.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:52 AM
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28. The independents said it was the deficit that worried them
No other change can be passed.

As for the so-called base, their support is too weak. They are not around unless they get it all and expect miracles.

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