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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:23 AM
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Fact-check Please: Can the House pass the Senate bill without conference?
That is, if the House takes the Senate bill and passes it without a single comma changed does that prevent reconsideration by the Senate?
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:26 AM
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1. Yes. Same bill, both Houses --- engrossed...
...and sent to the President.

The kicker is same bill. Na ga happen.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:39 AM
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2. That would invalidate the deal with the unions too.
I think they are past that point.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:16 AM
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5. The bill will not be allowed to die in any scenario so it's hard to say anything definitively
If bad events happened and the choices became no bill, a bill stripped to what could be done under budget-reconciliation or the senate bill then there might be serious consideration (in congress and the WH) of passing the senate bill as the most successful of three terrible options... unions or no unions
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:48 AM
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7. They may be able to change the excise after the fact
...perhaps even using reconciliation since it involves funding and is therefore budget related.

I'm sure there are people working out all the possible permutations as we speak.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:25 PM
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11. People are saying - pass the Senate bill, then after it is signed into law
Make the changes that can be made to it in a new bill via reconciliation.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:11 PM
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10. Yeah, that's what I'm not understanding....
.... does "the Senate Bill" mean the exact bill that was passed on Christmas Eve or can "the Senate Bill" be whatever Reid/Rahm/Dodd/Baucus/whomever want it to be and the House can just vote for that?

What that would seem to be an ideal scenario, it doesn't seem "fair" to the rest of the body.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:16 AM
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6. thank you n/t
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:50 AM
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3. What Ive been hearing.....
House Democrats poised to pass on formal conference

House chairman & leaders will meet Tuesday,this meting will be followed by the House Dem Caucus meeting on Thursday I believe, to discuss process. Looks like the House & Senate might be adopting something called a "ping pong" tactic, which means the House would take up the Senates Bill, and send it right back to the Senate for passage. By doing it this way they will beable to get it to the Presidents desk before MA, certifies their election results. It didn't have to be this way The party of NO brought this on themselves.


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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:11 AM
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4. The ping-pong negotiation is just a different kind of merger--still has to go back to senate
The final bill, a negotiated merger of house and senate versions, can be achieved through a formal conference or through informal negotiations, which is what the ping-pong thing describes.

But the negotiated result still faces 60-vote cloture in the senate, no matter how negotiated.

The OP refers to a method of avoiding any more senate votes.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:15 PM
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9. Correct...I should hve worded my post differently
Knew what I wanted to say, at least...guess I best warn readers to read between the line....
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:51 AM
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8. Yes. nt
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