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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:58 PM
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Origin of the Phobia to LGBT rights (and of course at GD it sank like stone)

I think I have found the origin to the PHOBIA to the LGBT community...in our three western religions... no, none gets a pass.

No not the bible, well almost not the bible. In ancient times fertility rites were common. They involved sex and lots of it. The involved sex that involve men and women... men and men, women and women and any variation of the above and beasts... bulls in particular, who were supposed to be imbued with sexual power...

So our phobia for something that humans (like any other higher mammal) will do... lies in this competition between El, Yahveh, Ba'al and Asher...

Yes, the novel includes Ba'al... so who knew what I would find when going pocking around... after all homosexuality was not only accepted in the ancient world, but was part of many a religious ritual... so when the religious leaders of the three major faiths say... this is a sin to the father (complete the rest)... they mean it. It is a sin to the ancient vengeful god that needed to kick all the others out of the pantheon. Perhaps some of these folks are afraid that if we accept this is a natural thing... (I know the horror) next we will start praying to Asher (the Snake Goddess) and for god sakes, go to the temple to engage in the services of the Kedeshites (female prostitutes) and Kadeshim, (male prostitutes)... and there was plenty of sex, even public sex in ancient times... the other reason why they are afraid of any of this.

I doubt most of our leaders have a clue as to the true origin, but there you have it... I am sharing because to me it is critical to understand why things happen to be able to fight them. History and all that.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-10 09:33 PM
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1. So the reason ancient Jews were against sex between men
was because you would be worshiping another god by doing so? It was part of the process of creating Monotheism?

Interesting.
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 12:24 PM
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2. you'd be amazed at how fucking conservative jews are
In my ancient civ class, many years ago, i did a thesis for my final on how the enuma elish was the origin of the god of the bible.

the personalities of the two gods, Enkidu and jawei are amazingly similar.

look at how Enkidu (gods i hope I have that at least kind aright) acted, like a spoiled adolescent, or worse. things had to go his way!
look at how he treats his mother , the earth goddess who created the world and everything in it.
also look at how "man" was created out of the blood and discarded bits of the "traitor" mother, making man forever needing to repent for their "parent"'s sins against god...

point being whoever the original levitates were, they were a serious bunch of misogynistic, homophobic assholes!

probably never got asked to the orgies

monotheism, as we know it today (aka the patriarchy) was always meant to be exclusive, only the proper men could be at the top of the food chain.

the more interesting question is HOW this came to be, and WHY did it take off so well?
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-11 10:12 PM
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3. Well, I guess I've cleared this all up
by being a blond-haired, blue-eyed *okay, green*, petite lesbian that grew up in a Southern Baptist household.

Mind you, I'm rather lonely *grin*, but I've found more than one or two in my community that are interested in equality and not being assholes.

The point is that I am no more sinister than any stark raving Baptist would assume to be, and I'm not even a stark raving Lesbian Baptist. *could become one if more lesbians joined the Baptist Church


People need to chill.
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Evolve_Already Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-11 07:06 AM
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4. Unfortunately
it appears your efforts are sinking like a stone here as well. Maybe they feel as Dubya did, who cars about history? it's all in the past. *smirk*

Well, I for one find your information interesting and I look forward to more.


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