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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:44 PM
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Venezuelan police told to shape up
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8302111.stm


The police in Venezuela are involved in 20% of all crimes committed in the country.

That startling admission was made by none other than the country's interior minister, Tarek El-Aissami.

For many Venezuelans, it was a surprisingly frank assessment of a problem which the the government has been accused of denying for years.

But there are now signs that, at an official level, the taboo about the state of the police is being broken.

"We know that part of the drama which our country is experiencing is because the majority of police agencies have been penetrated by criminal elements," Mr El-Aissami said at a recent police convention. "And that is simply intolerable."

The Venezuelan police are considered among the worst in Latin America in terms of corruption and violence.

"I would say they are a very similar phenomenon to the police in Rio de Janeiro or Central American countries such as El Salvador and Guatemala" says Venezuelan criminologist Andres Antillano.

"Such police forces were generally established during military regimes and are still seen by the state as an instrument of repression, of social control."


Code of conduct

For the government of Hugo Chavez, the solution has been to set up a national police force for the first time.

There are currently 144 different police agencies in Venezuela, all of them with their own entry criteria and guidelines.

"At the moment, there is no police system in Venezuela," says Soraya El Achkar of the General Police Council "There are just lots of different police bodies."

All have members who are involved in repression or are linked to crime rings, she adds.

"So we need to transform the police, we need to standardise them and make them professional."

The government hopes to phase out some of the agencies with the worst reputations, such as the metropolitan police in Caracas, and replace them with the new force.

A code of conduct has been launched and recruits will be obliged to take classes in human rights. In addition, any officer who has charges pending against him or her will not be allowed to join.


Uphill battle

On a stifling hot day at a military base in Caracas, the emphasis is on physical training.

Some are excelling in the sprints, the chin-ups and the 2km-run. Others haven't been out from behind their desks in years.

Speaking anonymously, a number of the officers tell me that they are not yet convinced that the force they are trying to join will be a success.

"It all depends on the wages and the pension offer they make us" says one. A Venezuelan policeman earns little more than $120 (£76) a month - a salary which many analysts say has helped push them into corruption.

According to Ms El Achkar, the wages are being decided by committee and will be a significant improvement on the current situation.

But there are many in Venezuela who find it hard to believe the Venezuelan police are capable of change. One of them is Genny Cedeno.

Genny is an Ecuadorean migrant who lives in one of the capital's roughest neighbourhoods, La Vega. Her 17 year-old son, Carlitos, was killed by the police for allegedly trying to steal a motorbike from an off-duty policeman.

Fighting back the tears, Genny points out the spot on the pavement where Carlitos was shot dead.

"He already had an expensive motorbike, so it just doesn't make sense" she says, alleging that the police killed him when he was already on the ground, injured and unarmed.


Hoping for change

For Genny, the concept of a national police force with new values and a better understanding of human rights is a remote idea.

"It will take so much for them to win the trust of the community. And the community itself has to change too. I don't know if that can happen."

Genny plans to leave Venezuela after more than 20 years in Caracas, fearing for the safety of her youngest son.

"It isn't easy to change the police," says criminologist Andres Antillano. "First off, we must remember that they're not new officers. It is made up of officers from other agencies.

Peru tried to purge its police after the rule of Alberto Fujimori but nothing really happened and Colombia has had a number of aborted attempts at police reform too."

It's still to early to say if this effort by President Chavez will reap results, he says.

"There is a grave disconnect between the police and the citizens they are supposed to serve. The police in Venezuela have killed around 10,000 people in recent years.

That violence in turn fuels the crime and insecurity problems in the shanty-towns. Changing the police is about more than new uniforms. It's about institutional reform."
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 06:39 AM
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1. A good justice system is critical to defend the poor
Over and over, studies confirm a quality justice system, including a quality police force and equitable (and speedy) courts are a key to improving the lives of the poor. Unfortunately this is usually given a low priority by populist governments, whose leaders have an upper middle class or military background, and therefore are used to live in a more sheltered environment - they just don't get it. A visit to a barrio in any Latin American city is a real eye opener.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 11:56 PM
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2. I'm missing Carlos Andres Perez, why everything was so good back then? n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 12:42 AM
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3. LOL. I almost posted this story because it was so refreshing to see
a government official lay out the facts of a problem.

But, come to think of it, this story could be taken as a slam at Chavez by people whose reading comprehension is down around their ankles. :)
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:12 PM
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5. yes, it's "so refreshing" to see the minister of the police (interior) admitting that criminality
is getting worse year after year, first of all because the police is murdering people and selling weapons.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 07:40 PM
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6. yeah, isn't that the number one concern of Venezuelans right now??
the insecurity.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 08:21 PM
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7. I see your point. They should have lied or distracted or sent you
the Whaaambulance.

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 10:31 PM
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8. I don't understand those socialist telling the true
was it necessary?, we were so happy pretending we didn't have those problems in previous administrations.

:sarcasm:
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:04 AM
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9. What socialists?!
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 10:23 AM by ChangoLoa
:sarcasm:

It is irrelevant to speak about socialism here. When many people you know have suffered or died from this, when you know there have been more than 100,000 killed people in your country during the last decade, when it's obvious that the first responsible of the situation is the police, I think you just feel that "refreshing" is not an appropriate word for describing the declarations of the Minister in charge of the police, when he finally admits there's a problem in his institution.

I suggest you go check the evolution of the homicide rate in Venezuela from 1986 to 2007*. As the other post said, we are so sad observing that the problem is getting worse every year. Sad, especially because those abstract numbers for outsiders are very much concrete to us.

*1986-1999:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_to_1999

2000-2007:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:46 AM
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12. Now 100 000 venezuelans have die?
how is that every person who dies in venezuela is because of Chavez, while in the US it's just bad lack.
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:58 AM
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13. There's only one mention of Chavez in the OP and the comments
It says: "For the government of Hugo Chavez, the solution has been to set up a national police force for the first time."

What the hell are you talking about?

Stop trying to divert the issue to one person or one ideology, it doesn't matter here.
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spanza Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 02:05 PM
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14. Right, bad lack of government... for the last 20 years!
Who's dumb enough to say that people getting shot in the US is because of... bad luck?! Maybe the NRA?
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:43 AM
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11. Or maybe they should take care of the problem?
But you're right. A society does cry a lot when it loses 100,000 of its citizens in a decade because they get shot. People do cry like "big babies" when some dear person is killed for a car in a red light. It's so childish, as you said, but you just can't help it!
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:23 AM
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10. Love for double standards!
Yeah, it was "so refreshing" to see the Bush administration laying out the facts concerning the crazy abuses made by his army in Iraq.

So damn refreshing!
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 02:01 PM
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15. American ethnocentrism
I don't think you get it. People elsewhere don't really care if Americans want to kill each other by the bushel. The problem in Venezuela is real, the crime rate is a very serious problem, it impacts the poor, and it hurts the economy. Bringing up US crime rates only shows us evidence that you really don't get it. The world doesn't revolve an American's nose. Get it?
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ChangoLoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-27-09 06:03 PM
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4. that's the problem: same shit getting worse
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