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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:45 PM
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Guardian: Coup leader defies ex-premier's demands in Honduras standoff
Ousted Honduras president stays in Brazilian embassy as coup leader kills hopes of crisis solution

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/honduras-coup-leader-defies-zelaya
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 04:06 AM
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1. This is one of the best, most reality and fact based, new articles I've seen on Honduras.
I have only one exception to that statement. I'm underlining that one below. (And the title is kind of screwy--hard to understand, since Zelaya is not a "premier" but a president.) The boldface marks wording that tells THE TRUTH about events in Honduras, in notable contrast to crap we read in the corpo/fascist press.

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Coup leader defies ex-premier's demands in Honduras standoff
Ousted Honduras president stays in Brazilian embassy as coup leader kills hopes of crisis solution

Peter Beaumont, Foreign Affairs Editor
The Observer, Sunday 27 September 2009

Hopes for a rapid end to the crisis in Honduras appeared to have been dashed as the leader of the coup that removed President Manuel Zelaya insisted that the ousted premier could only leave the Brazilian embassy where he has taken refuge if he was offered asylum by another country.

"Interim" president Roberto Micheletti also made clear his government would not allow a weekend visit of several foreign ministers who have offered to help resolve the crisis and remained unrepentant about plunging the country into a cycle of demonstrations, violence and curfews.

But he did acknowledge one mistake. "It was an error to have sent the president, or ex-president (Zelaya), out of the country," he told the Associated Press.

As the war of words escalates, Zelaya, who secretly returned to Honduras last week after being driven to the border in his pyjamas three months ago, has demanded that he be reinstated until his term in office runs out with elections in November. Despite talks to broker a deal, both sides reported no progress.

Micheletti also denied reports that he had invited former US president Jimmy Carter to mediate. It had also been suggested that Costa Rican president Oscar Arias, who mediated during previous talks, may get involved. But he announced on Friday that he had no immediate plans to travel to Honduras.

Tens of thousands of Micheletti's supporters – camisas blancas, or white shirts – demonstrated noisily in the streets of the capital, Tegucigalpa, following months of demonstrations by Zelaya's supporters in the anti-coup national resistance movement.

The white shirts' chants outside the UN's offices in Tegucigalpa reflected what Micheletti would most like the deposed president to do. "Come outside, Mel!" they screamed, holding their banners. "Send Mel to jail!" There were also calls for Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, to "take this mule".

Zelaya – at least for now – is staying put inside the embassy, bolstered by Brazil's promise that he can stay as a "guest as long as is necessary". Nor is the international community listening to the pro-coup crowds either. The UN security council, meeting in emergency session on Friday, demanded that Micheletti cease his harassment of those inside the surrounded embassy.

Subsisting on biscuits and sleeping on chairs, Zelaya appears to have weathered the first storm of his return, when it seemed that the embassy might be invaded and that Honduras might descend into widespread violence. The reformist president was removed from power for attempting to hold a non-binding referendum on the constitution, a move his enemies said was proof that Zelaya wanted to stand for a second consecutive term. The convention on the constitution would have taken place after his term of office had ended.

Zelaya now insists on a return to office until elections on 29 November. It is precisely this that Micheletti seeks to prevent. What started as a dramatic and dangerous confrontation has settled into an at times surreal standoff that shows little sign of ending soon.


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/honduras-coup-leader-defies-zelaya

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It's something when you almost weep upon reading a REAL news article--it is so rare.

--"Interim" president (coupster Micheletti) is correctly put in quotation marks.

--Micheletti and his fellow coupsters are correctly identified as the guilty parties for "plunging the country into a cycle of demonstrations, violence and curfews" and they are correctly described as "unrepentant" for creating this mayhem.

--the article very correctly points out that there have been "months of demonstrations by Zelaya's supporters" (implication--and only one by the "white shirts")

--the article further emphasizes the wrongness of the coup, and its unrepresentative nature, with "Nor is the international community listening to the pro-coup crowds...". (Implication--they are a minority.)

--the article correctly points out that Zelaya (and those with him) are suffering hardship ("subsisting on biscuits and sleeping on chairs"--also the UN Security Council resolution telling the coupsters to stop harassing the embassy; the two things combined gives you a brief but accurate picture of conditions in the embassy).

--the article correctly describes Zelaya as "the reformist president."

And, finally, the one that makes me almost weep...

--the article correctly describes one of Zelaya's reformist proposals---"a non-binding referendum on the constitution", correctly describes the accusation that he wanted to stand for a second term as coming from "his enemies" and then explains, briefly and succinctly, the truth : "The convention on the constitution would have taken place after his term of office had ended". (The referendum had nothing to do with term limits, and Zelaya could not have benefited from it.)

My one argument with this article is this: The article says Zelaya has "...weathered the first storm of his return, when it seemed that the embassy might be invaded and that Honduras might descend into widespread violence."

My objection is that the violence has been entirely one-sided: the coup military and police beating up, tear gassing and shooting live ammunition and rubber bullets at protestors, some of whom have died; storming into homes and dragging people out; detaining several thousand political prisoners, and possibly ordering selective death squad killings. The protestors and Zelaya are firmly committed to non-violent resistance, and have already been tested, time and again, on their commitment to peaceful means. "Widespread violence" would likely only have come from the police and the military, because those are the sole sources of violence to this point. The sentence implies that all would "descend into widespread violence." There is no evidence to support this. It is a nuance, to be sure. But I think it is an important one. The article should have been more careful to indicate who has been beating up and killing whom, and who would likely continue this criminal behavior on a "widespread" basis.

Aside from that, kudos to The Guardian and its Foreign Affairs Editor and reporter Peter Beaumont!

:applause: :bounce: :applause:


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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 11:43 AM
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2. it's a good article.
I like the Guardian, it's usually fairly well balanced. I did notice the Brazilians got their hair standing on end when Zelaya started criticizing the Israelis. Seems Israel, in spite of being a gross violator of human rights, has a lot of power and is able to supress any criticism. Zelaya's comments, of course, were out of line, but I don't think the Brazilians would have reacted that way if he had criticized say Colombia or Panama.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:28 PM
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3. I think the problem with that report was that Zelaya said "Israeli mercenaries,"
not the Israeli government or any official Israeli party, but it got "read" or misinterpreted as an accusation against Israel. My guess, Zelaya got some report about "Israeli mercenaries" involved with the golpistas and their death squads. Could well have been US mercenaries (Blackwater, for instance), or Croation or Irish mercenaries (both of whom were caught in Bolivia in the midst of a plot to assassinate Evo Morales), but what he heard (was told) was "Israel mercenaries." I've read some reports--dimly in my memory--of Israelies training with Blackwater in Colombia. Can't recall the context or details right now (official? unofficial training? etc.). But it is not at all outside the realm of possibility that there are Israel mercenaries operating in Latin American, and in this situation in Honduras. But everybody is so touchy about Israel/Palestine that it got "read" as an accusation against the Israeli government. He said "mercenaries" not government. Mercenaries are generally independent, unofficial, hired guns.

The Honduran coup military have the Brazilian embassy surrounded. They have kicked people out of their homes and are occupying adjacent buildings, and have cleared and militarized the city area around the embassy. They are already documented (with photos) using eardrum busting weapons against those inside the embassy, and are suspected of using some kind of poisonous gas or chemical, because there was a rash of illness--people bleeding through the nose, nausea, vomiting and disorientation--in the embassy a couple of days ago. The embassy is also very short on food and water, and living space (as this article points out). Have the golpistas hired death squads, of whatever nationality, to kill Zelaya and/or others? There are reports from around the country of several leftist political activists (including one union leader) having been murdered (in addition to the murders of protestors by the use of live ammunition). The US Lawyers Guild and a whole bunch of prestigious lawyers recently reviewed the situation, and, among other things--including demolishing the junta's legal arguments against Zelaya--reported that the Honduran judiciary is not independent, is highly influenced by big business and the rich elite, and is failing to investigate and prosecute these murders and other violence by the coup military and police. Did the junta leaders order the murders? Impossible to say for sure, at the moment. But it is reasonable to be suspicious. Now imagine that you are holed up in the Brazilian embassy surrounded by this murdering military, and your problems of getting information, not being paralyzed with fear, remaining calm and sane, and being careful and diplomatic in your public statements.

Frankly, I have not seen confirmation of the Miami Herald (frequent liars and hysterics about the Latin American left) report that Zelaya actually said "Israeli mercenaries." The report was a scumbag hit piece overall. And there has been no followup that I have seen (i.e., reporters asking, what did you base that statement on? etc.). Is it even true? I can't say for sure that it is. I have not seen it reported anywhere else. But if it is true, it is likely merely a matter of someone under siege using words injudiciously--words that could easily be misinterpreted--with a corpo/fascist shitrag like the MH, of course, ready to pick up on any excuse to denigrate a leftist leader.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:43 PM
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4. Comment from Narco News.
Miami Herald
Submitted September 25, 2009 - 9:03 pm by Ryan Vaquero (not verified)

Al, another coincidence!

I have been having a back-and-forth exchange with Frances Robles of the Miami Herald, after reading her article which was designed to make President Manuel Zelaya appear to be a raving lunatic:

They're torturing me, Honduras' Manuel Zelaya claims
Honduras' fallen leader told The Miami Herald he is being subjected to mind-altering gas and radiation -- and that `Israeli mercenaries' are planning to assassinate him.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min/story/1248828.html

The article has seemed to be a lot of cherry-picking journalism. El Pais presented the actual quotes from President Zelaya, which already make him seem a lot more reasonable:

Mercenarios israelíes, ultrasonidos y suicidios fingidos

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Mercenarios/israelies/ultra...

Regardless, as I explained to Frances Robles, the claims made by President Zelaya are not far-fetched, although they are presented that way in the article.

First, it is clear that toxic gases have been used against the Brazilian Embassy. That goes without question. Anyone who has been subjected to long periods of exposure to CN/CS gas in a closed space will testify to the mind-altering effects of it -- as will any doctor.

Second, while Frances Robles was attempted to make the use of "sonic weapons" seem unreasonable and looney, every major media outlet was broadcasting a live demonstration of the weapon in use at the G20 demonstration in Pittsburgh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebQMzggpHI0

An unfortunate coincidence for the Miami Herald that the "sci-fi device" they were trying to discredit President Zelaya with was simultaneously being used against crowds in the United States. I also reminded her that sound weapons (although much cruder) were used against Manuel Noriega during the invasion of Panama by the United States.

In addition, Honduras-based La Tribuna (which, as we've discussed, has had semi-balanced coverage of the coup) also confirmed the use of this weapon in this article:

http://www.latribuna.hn/web2.0/?p=44108

And, they also report on the connection to Israel:

"Es la última arma secreta en dotación desde hace tiempo por el ejército de Israel, usada públicamente sólo ahora después de muchos años de experimentación."

However, Frances Robles leads off her story in the first paragraph with the most startling assertion: "e claims his throat is sore from toxic gases and 'Israeli mercenaries' are torturing him with high-frequency radiation."

While Frances Robles had the time to write me back numerous times, provide me with a link to the New York Times and several other newspapers which were reporting on President Zelaya's claims, somehow the Miami Herald reporter could not supply me with the actual quote from President Zelaya in which he claims that "Israeli mercenaries are torturing him with high-frequency radiation."

Frances Robles has had the time to send me four e-mails and yet has still not been able to supply me with the actual quote from President Zelaya regarding the radiation weapon claims. In fact, once I began sending independent confirmations of the use of toxic gas and sonic weapons, the tone turned a little hostile: "I am not going to comb through my notes to find quotes for you."

Of course, President Zelaya's claims would seem less strange if Miami Herald readers knew that Billy Joya of Battalion 3-16 was publicly involved in the Micheletti regime -- a reknowned torturer who certainly is up on all the latest toys of psychos who abuse the bodies of human beings for a living.

Now, maybe I am mis-reading Frances Robles. According to her, President Hugo Chavez spoke directly about her Miami Herald article in his New York press conference and said, specifically about her article: "I send the Miami Herald reporter a big kiss for finally telling the truth." (Anyone who can confirm that President Chavez said this about the Miami Herald article, please let me know via e-mail.)

I am very open to the idea that my gut feeling about all this is wrong. However, it feels to me like President Zelaya's initial claims regarding gases, sonic weapons, communications disruptions and Israeli groups seemed bizarre and the Miami Herald attempted to discredit the president. I also feel that they might have gone too far by also crediting him with saying that "radiation weapons" are being used (although, this COULD refer to the sonic weapons). To be clear, I have NO CONFIRMATION that President Zelaya did not speak to Frances Robles about "high-frequency radiation weapons." All I can say is that I have asked for the specific quote from her 4 separate times and have yet to receive the specific quote.

The next article written for the Miami Herald by Frances Robles was called "Time running out for Honduras' Manuel Zelaya, experts say" -- of course, any number of experts could be found to say any number of things which is an even more direct form of cherry-picking.

I would like to mention that Frances Robles also wrote the article which interviewed the top Honduran Army attorney who first admitted that the law was broken by the golpistas. Also, she has written on the censorship imposed by the coup regime.

However, during this time of immediate crisis, when things really matter, I find it interesting to see these two articles come out of the Miami Herald.

And, I have to say that I am happy that the quotes provided by Frances Robles on behalf of President Zelaya about the use of sophisticated weaponry to invade the sovereignty of the Brazilian Embassy are being proven accurate. So, while I have seen the article in question being re-posted on many right-wing blogs as "evidence" that President Zelaya is paranoid, anti-Semitic, etc, many of these folks will need to eat their own words as more and more independent confirmations of President Zelaya's claims come out. Thanks to NarcoNews for supplying this in-depth report about them.

Finally, note that I have nothing in particular against Frances Robles and am merely seeking the truth here. Al, I would be interested if you know Frances Robles and what you think of her work at the Miami Herald, if you have the time to give me your opinion either here or via e-mail (attached to this comment).

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3460/honduran-coup-regime-mocks-un-security-council-embassy-attacks#comments
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 03:55 PM
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5. Thanks for this report. Very enlightening. The reporter won't supply the quote.
'nuff said.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 08:29 PM
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7. Did you see this re the Israeli connection?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x22843

It looks less like Israel than like Iran Contra assholes whom we know are still crawling around everywhere.
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Braulio Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 08:16 PM
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6. Is
Look, they don't have to use the word Israel. All they have to do is use the letters I and s together, or mention something remotely associated with Israel, and they're in hot soup. People in the free world know how it is. Too bad Americans don't get it.
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