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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:56 AM
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WHICH country allows foreign guests to discredit its domestic political affairs?
I'm going to ask if any readers, can give me an example of any country that's willing to allow foreigners to visit and permit them to publicly discredit the political and internal affairs of that country!

Please name one

So ... what, in effect, the Chavez administration has done is to advise these so-called intellectuals to keep their opinions to the main subject of the Forum and to be aware that the government will not allow them to rail against our domestic affairs....

But why is the Government doing this? Why?:

In August 2008 Mario Vargas Llosa visited Venezuela and severely criticized the government of Hugo Chavez claiming that Venezuela's chief executive "does not believe in the democracy" and calling on the people to mobilize itself against the legitimate Head of State.

In October 2008 he said that Evo Morales (Bolivia) and Hugo Chavez were "destroying" their countries because ... in Chavez' case, he was taking it "towards authoritarian perdition with already known consequences."

Due to Vargas Llosa's stance, Venezuelan journalist Jose Vicente Rangel said: " in his neoliberal delirium, (Mario) Vargas Llosa usually expresses a peculiar form of fascism, he attacks the Latin American people's will of change and attacks nations like Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Argentina, with the typical arrogance of the intellectual incapable to surpass the frustration that produced into him the humiliating political defeat that he received from his own compatriots."

Let us now, describe these Intellectuals' antecedents:

Alvaro Vargas Llosa is a Peruvian journalist with a noticeable liberal and anti-socialist tendency; at the moment he directs the Center for Global Prosperity ... an US-American organization at the service of the empire� Vargas LLosa's son also has an ample record at the service of the United States of America ... he was the press chief during the Democratic Front's electoral campaign in 1990 for the right wing Peruvian presidential candidate Alejandro Toledo (2000/2001). He also has directed the editorial pages of the Miami newspaper El Nuevo Herald and he represents the Chilean group Copesa in the United States ... a right-wing journalistic partnership with a truly anti-socialist tendency.

Mario Vargas Llosa (father of Alvaro) is also connected with right-wing political currents ... he despises anything considered beneficial to ordinary citizens, without regard for the fact that many intellectuals have been devoured in the drama of their own regional retaliations.

Plinio Apuleyo is a Colombian national with a degree in journalism who has great affection for right-wing sectors and a sickening rejection of any social and/or liberation movements to alleviate conditions for the poor. He has, at various times, been a contribitor to the Colombian right-wing Time newspaper and he maintains that to emphasize popular achievements is detrimental.

Jorge Castaneda has been accused on numerous occasions of being an agent of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) ... he was Mexican President Fox' External Relations Secretary until 2003 and one his "achievements" was almost to rupture 100 years of harmonious relations between Cuba and Mexico. This claim "intellectual" was a member of the consultative Council of the Stanford Financial Group under international swindle-banker R. Allen Stanford. In one of his published editorials published in the Spanish newspaper El Pais, Castaneda said that Venezuela's judicial power is in the hands of Hugo Chavez, since most of its judiciary are in support of socialism promoted by the President.

To say that a judicial system is controlled by a President since the majority of its judges are members of a political party that won a democratic election process, is so stupid as to allege that to be independent, it should be composed exclusively by magistrates selected from the opposition parties!

So ... these "intellectuals" have been invited by the CEDICE NGO to "reflect" on subjects such as freedom, democracy, property and how to combat poverty..."

On the other hand, based on their track records of mis-conduct, the government can only conclude that their true objective in coming to Venezuela is to cause problems and, this being so, it is the government's responsibility to let them know that that kind of conduct from a foreign guest in our country will not be tolerated any more than it would be tolerated anywhere else!

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=80040
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 10:10 AM
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1. Good article, thanks. I don't know how it will be viewed from
Edited on Thu May-28-09 10:11 AM by magbana
a historical standpoint, but for my money, Chavez should have made sure that the 2002 coup plotters, military and media, were arrested immediately and tried for treason. Not only is it bad for Vargas Llosa to be running around spewing crap, but it's damned bad to let the coupsters go so they can re-group in Miami and try it all over again.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:04 AM
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2. well lets see. the president of Iran was invited to Columbia Unviersity
and criticized the US. numerous immigrant rallies have criticized the US policies. I hear foreign officials on cable news criticizing US policies, I see HRW and other entities criticizing US policies, often headed up by non-US citizens. I don't know how many thousands of examples you need.

or are you saying that people who are not citizens of a certain country have no right to criticize policies of the country they are in at the time?
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:42 PM
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4. Excuse me, did the president of Iran came to plot how to defeat Bush?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:48 PM
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5. Well, he did call for the elimination of Israel.
:sarcasm:

Just in case.. :sarcasm:


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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:06 PM
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7. umm....you asked what country invites "guests" that criticize their internal affairs
that was your question. I gave you an answer.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:29 PM
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9. That didn't answer my second question n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:36 PM
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10. is that your excuse for the threat from Hugo and his goons??
well, Vargas spoke. I haven't heard anything about him advocating violence or overthrow. looks like there really isn't much to worry about from foreign speakers despite Chavez' paranoia.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 11:39 AM
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3. Vargas Llosa is on the board of the Human Rights Foundation. n/t
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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:55 PM
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6. Very interesting. Thanks!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:29 PM
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8. Sorry I've been so absent, reading much more than posting right now.
But that name jumped right out at me.

:hi:
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:00 PM
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11. he is also member of the Latin American commission on drugs and democracy
Edited on Thu May-28-09 09:01 PM by AlphaCentauri
don't know what drugs have to do with democracy, but you know this guys pick cool names
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 01:22 AM
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12. Vargas Llosa seems to be confused


"If Venezuela was living (under) a totalitarian dictatorship, we would not be here."

Si Venezuela viviera una dictadura totalitaria no estuviramos aqu, destac el peruano en un evento que integran fuertes crticos al presidente venezolano, Hugo Chvez Fras, y a su gobierno

http://www.abn.info.ve/noticia.php?articulo=183893&lee=...
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