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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:36 PM
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Spent the night in jail last night....
Simple possesion of marijunana. Less than 2 grams.

I have come to the conclusion that calling it "the justice system" in this country is a huge misnomer.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:37 PM
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1. It is illegal isn't it?
Just because it shouldn't be doesn't mean it's not.


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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:38 PM
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4. Thanks for your help...
No, really.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #4
67. so what's wrong with answering a legitimate question?
It IS illegal, isn't it?
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #67
74. Yes, it IS
Does this mean I have no right to be angry because I got snared by a bullshit law?

Seriously, stay out of my thread if you're only going to be an ass.



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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. It doesn't work that way
Anyone can pipe in. You have that ignore button and it works well I'm told.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #76
80. My point is...
I don't understand why some people have to come in and shit all over the thread with what sound like soundbites from Republican politicians.

I have not whined once in this thread, yet I'm accused of whining. (Hell, I'm not even sure how one checks for online whining.)

I have one person asking the most stupid rhetorical question, as if it should invalidate my anger.


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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:35 PM
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102. I'm not a Republican - and don't appreciate being referred to as one
So let me start over. I agree you spending a minute in jail over this is stupid. I understand why you are pissed. I think the laws are dumb and shouldn't exist. I believe our jails should not be full of minor offenses like this.

I also know there is one way to avoid it - that was my point.




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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #102
104. Thank you, captain obvious....n/t
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #104
108. You're welcome my dear
.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:38 PM
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5. No but it goes to the idea of "justice". Get it yet?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:44 PM
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13. actually I do get it
I think it's ridiculous it's a crime. Pot should be legal.

I guess I've tired of those who come and whine about being in jail for something they know is illegal.

If someone is falsely accused by this justice system then I'd be all over it.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:47 PM
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:55 PM
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31. So pot should be legal, but you don't want any whining from the
victims of the marijuana laws. There is something fundamentally immoral about arresting, jailing, and prosecuting someone for what he chooses to put in his own body. There were nearly 900,000 marijuana arrests last year.

We're working on changing the laws, believe me, and with little help from the Democratic Party, and in the meantime we will whine, shout, holler, and do everything else we can to turn up the heat on these stupid laws and the politicians that continue to allow them to exist.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Preach it, brother and/or sister
Preach it.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #31
68. That simple really
In Jamaica, the jails simply don't have space for this nonsense. Our cops are too busy looking for illegal guns to waste time arresting people for small amounts of herb.

It's illegal here too but who would know.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:24 PM
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93. well, that's jamaica. HERE we have other priorities
like ridding the streets of dope smokers for a night. and locking them up for three years.

:sarcasm:

jamaica may not want to clutter their jails, but it's america's favorite pastime.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #68
116. Funny how that works. We always take a pistol when we go to Jamaica.
(We camp in the boondocks near Sav La Mar)...and we do declare it on the customs forms. Nobody has said a word.
weird, huh?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
98. my point was simple
too bad it went over your heads.


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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:40 PM
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109. No. Your point was well taken that you wanted to be a dismissive jerk.
I think YOU missed the point of the thread. NO ONE asked if marijuana WAS illegal yet you felt it necessary to point out the obvious.

No, the point flew over YOUR head........or did it?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #109
114. thank you
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:46 PM by nini
Yes, I'm a jerk.

thanks again.

:hi:
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #114
123. You've taken the first step: Isolating the problem.
;)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #109
126. Lol
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Louis Cipher Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
69. What if somebody was arrested for sodomy?
how would you feel about that?
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #69
99. was that person in their home?
or on the street?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #99
127. Let's say it was a DUI checkpoint.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #99
129. It sounds to me like it was a traffic checkpoint with drug sniffing dogs.
But I'm glad to hear you draw the line on this sort of nonsense somewhere.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:50 PM
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22. Yeah. And so obviously we should applaud such a brilliant use of our tax dollars.
I mean, $40 Billion a year is A SMALL PRICE to pay to keep consenting adults like (presumably) the OP; or Willie Nelson, or the late Carl Sagan-- from choosing to smoke a relatively harmless plant.

I mean, "it is illegal". Right- and consenting adult gay sex was illegal in Texas until the Lawrence SCOTUS decision. Interracial marriage was once illegal in many parts of this country. Hell, vibrators are STILL illegal in Texas and Georgia. Hey, they ARE illegal- right? And the mere fact that a law is a law -no matter how fucked up or wrong it is- means people should shut up and not complain about it...

is that what you're saying?
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #22
53. I don't believe it...
Well, I couldn't believe that the "vibrators are illegal in Texas" thing was true.
A quick google, though, proved it is! (Well, conditionally).

And not in a "this is a funny law from the 1800's that nobody actually enforces anymore" kind of way, but in a "we're arresting women who sell vibrators and sex toys from their little shops in the past couple of years" kind of way.

Vibrators? Seriously? I can't even imagine the justification, except for rampant prudishness. :)

FOLKS, GET OUT OF OUR BEDROOMS!!!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #53
73. Oh, yeah- a woman was arrested a couple years ago.
I'm sure our friends in Texas feel much safer knowing she's off the streets.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #22
105. I didn't say it was a good use of tax dollars - did I?
:eyes:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #105
125. No, it seems that your point was that he shouldn't "whine" about it.
Presumably, the people arrested for interracial marriage, consensual gay sex, selling vibrators, or any of the myriad other flat-out morally WRONG laws which this nation has historically enacted and continues to enact, that encroach on people's personal lives and choices --- shouldn't ever "whine" about those, either.

Or maybe it's just the damn whiny potheads who should shut up.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
39. 18 states have decriminalized marijuana
Edited on Tue May-29-07 02:01 PM by Breeze54
Places that have decriminalized marijuana in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Places_that_have_decrimina...

Alaska | California | Colorado | Maine | Massachusetts | Montana | Michigan | Minnesota | Missouri |
Mississippi | Nebraska | Nevada | New York | North Carolina | Ohio | Oregon | Washington | Wisconsin

View the map of states at link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map-of-US-state-cann... - laws.png

United States cannabis laws.
Blue represents states with medical cannabis laws;
red represents states with decriminalization laws;
purple represents states with both.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. The sad thing is...
We went to a noise-rock show in Asheville, NC. We left NC and were busted in a small town in SC that is near the border.

The whole night, we kept thinking, "If only the pulled us in NC."
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #41
49. That sucks but maybe there's hope....
North Carolina - Possession
1/2 oz or less - misdemeanor - 30 days* -- Fine -$200

*Suspended sentence mandatory.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4555

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. South Carolina -misdemeanor -1 oz or less (first offense)* -30 days - Fine $100 - $200 *
* *Conditional discharges possible for first offense.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4563
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. It's a $565 fine where I got popped
I'm looking into a conditional discharge
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. Maybe this will help...
http://www.moncktonlawfirm.com/CM/PracticeAreaDescripti...
Our criminal defense attorneys offer personalized, hands-on legal counsel to kids in trouble.
From our offices in Myrtle Beach, we represent clients in North Myrtle Beach, Surfside Beach,
Conway, Murrells Inlet, Pawleys Island, Georgetown, and throughout Horry County, SC.

Conviction on charges such as minor-in-possession of alcohol, simple possession of marijuana,
driving under suspension, speeding, simple assault and battery, trespassing, or disorderly conduct
can usually be resolved by paying a fine. Young people may believe that pleading guilty and paying
the fine is their best option.

However, pleading guilty results in a criminal record that can follow a young person for the rest
of his or her life.
For South Carolina students, it can also result in loss of scholarships
to South Carolina schools. Our criminal defense attorneys have the knowledge and the experience
needed to get cases reopened when the fine has already been paid.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #41
61. If you don't mind, what town was that?
I used to work as a police reporter for the newspaper in that area.

I was very good friends with the sheriff in one of those towns for ages (he is no longer the sheriff as he got tired of the bullshit and refused to run again).

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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. Easley, SC
Upstate SC, between Greenville and Clemson
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #41
96. Too bad.
Asheville is my old home town. Sigh. You should get out of dopey SC if you can. That state is crazy.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #96
101. I'm planning on moving soon anyway...
It's a shame, though, because this is my home state and, despite its many faults, I do like it here.
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #101
124. I know what you mean.
Good luck. Sorry you're getting the old "If you can't pay, don't play" routine. I'd bet everyone here has been guilty of something at one time or another but just didn't get caught. And if they deny it, well, they're either in denial, lying, or made of wood.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #39
107. As they should
My point was never that it shouldn't be legalized. But I think everyone knew that but it's easier to attack based on what one wants to perceive as the point instead of what it was.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #107
111. Oh, I know! I was just posting the facts, so far!
;)

Rhode Island legalized medical marijuana or were working on it.

I don't smoke it anymore, so, no worries! ;)

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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #107
112. You did the attacking...
I came here to vent and to hear a few people say, "Wow, that sucks, I feel for you."

Instead, I immediately get half-assed snark from you.

BTW, to everyone in the thread who has been compassionate and helpful, I appreciate it.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #39
117. Pot has NOT been decriminalized in Ohio.
Can't speak for the other states, but pot arrests are routine here.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #117
122. Ohio
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:55 PM by Breeze54
Ohio - http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4557


Possession
Less than 100 g minor misdemeanor***

100 g to 200 g misdemeanor of 4th degree not more than thirty days and/or fine

200 g to 1000 g 5th degree felony 6 months - 1 year and/or fine

Details

Possession of less than 100 grams of marijuana is a citable offense only, with a fine of $100. Possession of 100 grams or more is punishable by a fine of up to $250. For possession of 200 grams or more, the penalty increases to a possible sentence of 6 months - one year in jail. Possession of 1,000 grams or more is punishable by 1 - 5 years in prison. Any possession of less than 5,000 grams does not carry the presumption of prison, which leaves available the possibility of probation. Possession of 5,000 grams of marijuana or more is punishable by 1 - 5 years in prison. For any amount or 20,000 grams or more the penalty increases to a mandatory minimum sentence of eight years in prison.

------------------

Perhaps you should edit wiki ;)

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #1
115. Wow. What a condescending comment....


My comment - that is TERRIBLE & it is ridiculous.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:38 PM
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2. don't do the crime unless prepared
to do the time!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. criminalize everything, and everyone's a criminal. . . .
pick & choose who to arrest
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. I'm prepared to do "the time"
which amounts to a $500 fine.

However, it still sucks.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #2
23. Who are you? Baretta?
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #23
132. ........and Baretta didn't even have to do the time!!! n/t
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:53 PM
Original message
Wow, got any other slogans or platitudes heard on tv?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:56 PM
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32. You're under arrest, Sugar!
"Get Christie Love!"

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
82. Oh yeah!
:rofl:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #2
29. Brilliant!
:eyes:
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
3. I agree with you.
Sorry about your shitty night.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:40 PM
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8. sorry about that
luck has kept many of us out of that some predicament.

I stopped having anything to do with the stuff for that exact reason- that it'll get you in trouble. So I sit home and kill braincells via good old fashioned beer.

Too bad that you dont live in a progressive country that is ruled by people with common sense.

Good luck Brother
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:42 PM
Response to Original message
9. Does that take away your right to vote
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
11. No, thank God
just a misdemeanor in my state.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I think here in Florida where there is zero tolerance it would, you are most fortunate
...unless Rove decides to cage such a crime in your state in 2008
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. I doubt SC will ever be caged
Pretty much a sea of red here.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Yeah, that Rove.
The all powerful wizard of oz.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:42 PM
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10. gotta keep the prison-industrial complex humming along!
n/t
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. Not to mention...
That the shithole small town I was caught in probably lives off of the fines from stupid shit like this.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. hey! Just as long as they don't *tax* anyone...
What're a few miscarriages of justice?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:43 PM
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12. 'injustice system' is correct...........
sorry for your troubles over petty crap. Maybe someday this country will grow up and act less self righteous.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:47 PM
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17. There will be a time, hopefully NOT long in the future...
...when weed will be as private an affair as when one takes a crap. :hurts: Until then, try to be as discreet as possible when partaking in the Ganja. :hi:
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. We were totally discrete...
Just ran into a DL checkpoint that had a dog.

Not much you can do in that situation.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #19
28. That's true, but it IS a reality that we herb enjoyers must face...
It sucks BIG donkey wangs, but it's nonetheless a reality to us "enthusiasts." :hi:
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Yep, the life of an outlaw
I really could use a bowl right now. Obviously, I learned my lesson, right?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Dude, I'm sitting in the middle of an undisclosed lake in my boat...
...and I just did a hitter for you, my friend. :hi:
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. Sweet.
Much love, my friend.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:29 PM
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65. I still say that dogs are illegal searches w/o a warrent
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #65
130. I agree.......
If there were any justice or common sense in this country they WOULD be illegal searches without a warrant. Especially while you are detained and/or not free to go.

Someone please explain to me the logic of a drug-dog at a(nudge-nudge,wink-wink) "safety check."

It's bad enough they lie and call them "safety checks." Now they detain you while a dog sniffs around your car? Bullshit.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:52 PM
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24. Stupid Fucking Law. Stupid Fucking Use of Law Enforcement Resources and Tax Dollars.
Ridiculous.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:58 PM
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35. But very profitable for the Prison Industrial Complex.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:05 PM
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43. Of course. It's a massive gravy train.
That's a big part of the problem.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:52 PM
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25. Your DU name is "Junkie"
maybe you shouldn't publicize it. ;)
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. I know....
The name is a takeoff of the old TV show "Punky Brewster."


I'm a sucker for puns.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:53 PM
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26. I feel for you, but isn't your complaint with the legislature not the "justice system"?
The problem is that the legislature hasn't completely decriminalized possession of pot (although at least its not a felony any more in many locations).
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #26
34. It probably is....
But I'm kinda pissed that the cops didn't overlook 2 measley grams. They've certainly done it in the past.

I'll hit the the "legislative stage" of anger sometime this evening.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 01:59 PM
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37. Both are fair targets.
The legislatures pass these laws.

The justice system determines actual punishments within those laws. Marijuana possession (where it isn't already decriminalized) typically can get you up to a year in jail and a fine of XXX. Judges who routinely fine pot smokers hundreds of dollars and/or sentence them to a single day in jail are part of racket. They disgrace our criminal justice system--and that's a tough thing to do!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #26
48. No, law enforcement has a pretty wide berth to decide what they want to go after.
Jaywalking is illegal in most places, too, but it's not given a real high law enforcement priority. Sounds to me like the OP was stopped at a traffic checkpoint (another LE procedure of dubious constitutionality) and if the point was to catch inebriated drivers, that's one thing. But if they're checking all the cars with drug-sniffing dogs; and catching someone with a small amt. of pot for personal use.. I mean, come on. That's not the legislature, that's a police dept. that has decided that nabbing the guy with a dime bag is the most important thing they can be out there doing that night.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. Yep, "Officer discretion"
I've been pulled with small amounts before and have NEVER been cited for it. These guys were just bored last night.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:01 PM
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40. I'm sorry you went through that. It's stupid, traumatizing and a
waste of taxpayer money and law enforcement resources.

:(
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Seven cops manning a roadblock
To take two recent college graduates (both with honors, might I proudly add) to jail for 4 grams of weed. (2 were mine, 2 were my friends.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:11 PM
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51. I'm sorry this culture is so idiotic.
I wonder what actual crimes were committed during the time those cops were tied up on 4 grams of pot.

My ex used to say, "No one ever smoked a joint and went up in a tower and shot people. The worst thing we do is eat a tray of raw brownies."

Geezus.

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #46
83. I'm curious about the roadblock -
was it set up to stop every driver? what did they do, did they search your car or was the pot out in the open?

I guess what I'm getting at here, was there a roadblock set up for the purpose of searching cars? If so, that's damn creepy and I wonder about the legality - don't they need a warrant or probable cause or something?
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:04 PM
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42. Here ya go...TIE THIS INTO THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE
We cannot stop immigrants from comming into the country because of DEMAND FOR LABOR...yet they continue to fight the 'war on drugs'..and have NO PROBLEM ARRESTING AMERICAN CITIZENS for simple possession...because of DEMAND FOR MARIJUANIA...sorry...we either need to get rid of the war on drugs...or start a war on immigration...SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT!
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demobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:07 PM
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44. Welcome to our justice system
It's exactly these kinds of arrests that should wake us up that something terribly wrong is going on in the country.

Yep, you "committed a crime" technically according to our laws, so it's easy to point the finger and say, "you shouldn't have done that and now you get to pay!"

Now you took the risk having an illegal substance, and clearly you'll be punished. But there is a more sinister thing going on here: you're now in the computers: The computers that can keep you from leaving the country (Canada won't have you visit now), and the computers that will keep track of you in the following years if you ever get busted for anything again... like speeding, even.

Justice is a big industry here in the US, and they're pushing to privatize it even more. Jails get subsidies for housing federal inmates, and DAs are rewarded for their conviction rates. Everything points to jailing as many people as possible - the more people in the system, the more money the private corporations stand to make. This is why America has more inmates per capita than anywhere else - it's a growing and profitable industry!

The time for justice reform is NOW.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. That's my major fear...
That I will have trouble traveling.

I do like to visit friends in Russia from time to time.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:07 PM
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45. LAPD supposedly doesn't enforce laws against pot for the minor
personal user in the privacy of their own home. But they COULD CHOOSE TO DO SO, and in poor and minority communities I suspect they are not so lenient.

Pot is no more harmful than liquor, and should be legal in the same way that liquor is: taxed heavily and regulated heavily, and perfectly legal for responsible adults to use in the privacy of their own home.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #45
66. I'm on the side of legalizing MJ, but how would you tax it?
Some of the arguments I've heard have been:

Who would grow it and where?

Who or how would you license suppliers?


I understand that in at least some States, if you have a permit to use Medical MJ there are certain places you can buy it, and in some others, you are permitted to have a few plants...just enough for your own medical use. But IF you permitted people to have a few plants for their own use, how in the world would you tax it? And to add a really stupid question...I have a really hard time gwoing ANYTHING myself! I've killed more plants of all kinds over the years, I can't count that high! My son even bought me a cactus years ago because he heard you can't kill them. Well.....I guess I overwatered it and one day the little thing just fell off the soil in the pot...dead! So does that mean even if it does get legalized, it's just TS for me?

I'll be happy to join forces with the groups that want the laws changed and this stupid "war of drugs" killed, but those are some of the questions that I need answers to first. I don't think anyone can make it happen unless they have solutions for most of the problems.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #66
72. I would imagine...
the model would follow alcohol.

In the case of alcohol, most people just buy it and pay taxes. however, some home brew beer and they never pay taxes on it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #66
75. Here's how *I* think it should be handled- just like liquor is.
If you sell it retail, you need a license, you need to card people, you are regulated by the state. However, it's also legal to brew a certain amount of beer/make a certain amt. of wine for personal use- I forget how much, maybe a case a week or a case a month or something.

Handle pot the same. If you're growing it commercially you need to be licensed, but people should be able to have a few plants at home for personal use without the state becoming involved.

Large scale operations can be regulated and taxed just like the liquor industry is, I should think.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #66
79. Like homemade beer and wine. You can grow your own pot for
personal consumption within limits. If you want to buy it at the store, you pay taxes on it. Just like liquor.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #66
118. It is already a law in 20 states to tax marijuana!
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:49 PM by Breeze54
Marijuana Tax Stamp Laws And Penalties

In twenty US states, those who possess cannabis or other illegal drugs are legally required
to purchase and affix state-issued stamps onto his or her contraband. The total cost of the
tax is generally determined by the quantity of contraband possessed. Unlike typical criminal
statutes prohibiting the possession and sale of controlled substances, drug tax stamp laws
primarily assess financial penalties on the defendant for noncompliance. On occasion, criminal
sanctions may also be imposed.

Although nearly half of all US states have marijuana tax stamp laws on the books, few citizens
observe them.

More.........

---------------------

I did NOT know that!! Wow!!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #45
77. Having visited LA a lot, LAPD apparently doesn't enforce laws, period.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. Well, you know, LAPD vehicles always used to have their MOTTO
"To Protect and Serve" in large print on the doors. They don't anymore. Guess somebody decided that was false advertising.

IMHO they do neither. They are a bunch of cowboys whose only interest is chasing bad guys on camera and getting medals.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:08 PM
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47. I saw on Edwards on CSPAN say he supports legalizing medical Marijuana
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:19 PM
Response to Original message
54. Does anyone know if misdemeanors clear from one's record
after a certain amount of time?

I realize it differs from state to state, but what is often the case in one state is true in others.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. SC Conditional release:
Conditional release: The state allows conditional release or alternative or diversion sentencing
for people facing their first prosecutions. Usually, conditional release lets a person opt for
probation rather than trial. After successfully completing probation, the individual's criminal
record does not reflect the charge.

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4563

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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #56
71. But do misdemeanors ever
automatically clear from one's record after a set amount of time?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #71
86. I had a misdemeanor at 21
Edited on Tue May-29-07 03:43 PM by Breeze54
and I got probation and then it was off my record.
I didn't 'report' just had to behave for 90 days.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #54
88. Generally no,
but it depends on many factors such as your criminal history, local laws, amount of weed, how pissed off the judge is, quality of your lawyer, plea bargain laws, DA's, and other things. You need a lawyer to plea it down or better.
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murloc Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #54
97. Only when you turn 18
If you are over 18, they are yours for life.

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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #97
120. I was 21 and mine was gone!
I think it depends on the misdemeanor crime and the state!
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #54
106. You'll most likely need to get it expunged....
Talk to your lawyer. It's worth it if you ever get pulled over again. Otherwise any time you get pulled over for a broken tag light they'll know you had a "drug" conviction.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #54
121. you need to have it expunged, if possible...
otherwise, no- it's a part of your "permanent record".
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
57. I'm sorry for your bad night--I know how it goes
Edited on Tue May-29-07 02:26 PM by leftofthedial
I agree 100% that the "justice system" in the US rarely has anything at all to do with justice. There is no justice in this country. Just money.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. Love your handle...
I'm a huge Replacements fan and former college radio DJ, so it works on two levels for me.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #59
64. best of luck with your situation
keep your chin up. All that negative stuff is about the system, not about you. You just got caught in the middle.

:thumbsup:

"On and on and on and on
What side are you on?"
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:23 PM
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60. The War on Drugs just defeated you!
War on Drugs FTW!!! See, we're winning it!!!!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 02:38 PM
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70. Decriminalized in Alaska since 1975...
You might consider moving. We can have up to four ounces here for our "personal use." :hippie:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:01 PM
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78. The "War on Drugs" is terrorism against a the nation.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #78
84. Look at it this way:
You have contributed to that town's financial welfare. Of course, it's a BS Law. Start lobbying that Legis. in SC. You might actually be part of a much needed change.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
85. Another question.....
How does this affect getting a job?

I know a lot places don't really give a shit about misdemeanors, but does anybody here have horror stories about simple possession?
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MyUncle Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. Were you the driver and were you still high when you were driving?
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:25 PM by MyUncle
Since this was a DUI check point ( I believe you said that earlier), you could be in bigger trouble if you were "impaired" or "intoxicated" and driving. If that is the case, get a lawyer if you do not have one already.

It sounds like you've been busted before and got lucky. 2 grams is more than you would smoke at a show or even a roadie. I suggest you wise up and if you are going to get stoned on the road, bring only the amount that you will use. If what you had was decent weed, a few one hits should keep you going for quite a while. If you are going to get stopped and you have one "emergency" joint, you could eat it. We used to go to Mexico and we would never bring anything back across the border, just plain dumb.

I'd be pissed if I got busted, but if you have been continuously careless, well I'm sorry but you were setting yourself up.

If you have been found DUI or if you can not set up a "sentence" that allows for expunging from your record after a period of good behavior, then your job prospects could be jeopardized.

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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. OK
A. I was not driving.

B. The driver was not charged with DWI or DUI.

C. Two grams ain't crap. A 1/16 is about right for a road trip.

D. I'm not sure what you mean by continously careless. Obviously, at some point one will have to drive with weed, as weed does not have the ability to magically appear when and where one needs it. Therefore, it stands to reason that it will, at some point, be in a car. When I have it in the car, I do not speed or drive recklessly. It is hidden well, but obvioualy not out of the smelling ability of dogs.

This was just shitty luck, on my part.
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MyUncle Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #95
103. Glad you guys were not hit with DUI or DWI but,
Re "A" - good.
Re "B" - good.
Re "C" if you had 2 grams and your buddy had 2 grams, and IF it was good weed, that is a lot to carry - I assume for 24 hours???
Re "D" you said you have been caught before, there was probably a reason. "Shitty Luck" is compounded by careless behavior. Paris Hilton has shitty luck with cameras? Or is she been less than discreet?

I'm not judging you for smoking but suggesting you be smarter in the future. The next time the consequences will be much worse. You got lucky at least 2 times, 3rd was the charm.

Be careful out there.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #95
113. What sucks about the pot laws is that "shitty luck"..
can get ya a night in jail, the cost of a lawyer, etc.
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XOKCowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:03 PM
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87. In Utah a Class B Misdemeanor - Don't ask me how I know this...
They just give you a ticket. You have to go to court of course but still usually no jail time.

Man in this day and age you'd think people would have wised up about stupid pot laws.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:11 PM
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89. I think you need to take your ire out on the legislative system in this
country. While I think the law is stupid, it is (unfortunately) the law. That is what "we the people" get for not being Paris, or Nicole, or Tim Allen or any number of people. While they were busting you for that, I am sure there was a dogfight/coke deal/domestic abuse case that would have better paid them off.

Sorry you had a tough time of it.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #89
100. To be honest, Tim Allen did some prison time.
That was before he was famous, however.

From Wiki: Allen's rumored cocaine use while attending Western Michigan University is well known by current and former students. On October 2, 1978, Allen was arrested with an accomplice at the airport in Kalamazoo for possession of 1.4 pounds of cocaine. Because of the exceptionally large quantity of the controlled substance, he faced the threat of life imprisonment. Instead, Allen agreed to testify against his partner in exchange for a sentence of three to seven years in prison; he ultimately served only two years and four months.

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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #100
110. But, to be even more honest, he was let off all ( I think it was) three
times he was busted here in MI, after he became famous. :hi:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
90. Overnight? Ahhhh, Big Whoop. Done That Plenty Of Times. You Did Break The Law Though, So Ya Kinda
gotta deal with the consequences ya know? Even if you disagree with the law and choose to ignore it, you do so at the risk of having to take responsibility if caught. That's what happened and you had to pay a price, though a relatively very tiny one. Big deal? You're home, you're healthy, and you probably already smoked another bone. Cops were just doin their jobs.
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junkiebrewster Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #90
92. I (mostly) agree, I'm not trying to whine
I've already stated that I'm prepared to pay the fine.

I just want to vent.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #92
94. Oh Ok. I Gotcha.
Edited on Tue May-29-07 04:25 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
If this was your first time then I can see how that could be a bit mentally tiresome. Overnight does suck. But try bein in 23-1 lockdown for 3 months. That REALLY sucks LOL

It'll all work out for ya though. Sometimes shit happens, but like I said; we take that risk on because we know it's more important to us to ignore the law. (And I say we, cause though I haven't touched it in 6 years now {damn marriage lol}, once upon a time I was quite the connoisseur)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 04:50 PM
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119. The war on drugs is a war on everyone
The whole idea of any drug law, is rooted in a history of racism and monopolism.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:03 PM
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128. Too bad you didn't spend your evening firing federal prosecutors
I hear you get off pretty easy on that one.
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-29-07 05:18 PM
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131. the justice system
is for justus rich..


not me of course.....
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