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FamousBlueRaincoat Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:26 PM
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Be Aware: Anarchy is the New Talking Point Regarding Wikileaks/Anon
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 05:48 PM by FamousBlueRaincoat
I have seen the allegations thrown all around here. So instead of replying to a million threads, I just though I would make everyone aware of the talking point of the day regarding wikileaks and anonymous.

I don't know who started the talking point - I first heard it while listening to NPR this afternoon. A former Clinton speechwriter accused Assange of being an anarchist probably at least a dozen times. It occured during hour two of this show: http://whyy.org/cms/radiotimes /

Since then, I have seen this accusation thrown around many times here and elsewhere.

So, just as a couple of days ago, the meme was "pointless gossip!". Today, it is "anarchy!"

So I just wanted to make sure...just in case you are the type of person who is generally supportive of Wikileaks, but REALLY REALLY SCARED OF ANARCHISTS...I believe that it is just a talking point that you should be none too concerned with.

Thanks for your time! We now return to your regularly scheduled programming....
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:27 PM
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1. What's wrong with anarchists?
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FamousBlueRaincoat Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:29 PM
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2. nothing
But lots of people are "scared" of them. I have no problem with anarchists. I used to hang in their circles...Bakunin changed everything for me. I just wanted everyone to be aware of the new insult.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:43 PM
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6. Move to Somalia, Maybe you'll get a clue.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:50 PM
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11. actually Somalia is a libertarian paradise
not an anarchist paradise...

Thought it would be good to clarify.

Ever read Bakunin? Somehow I doubt it.
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FamousBlueRaincoat Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:52 PM
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12. they don't have an anarchist movement in Somalia
But that's the reason why i tried to keep the thread simple, being about the scare tactic, not about the actual ideology. Props to krabigirl for trying to advance an argument not ready to be advanced though...
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:55 PM
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16. oh, you know....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:59 PM
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21. Anachy is the new red.
Try to keep up. :)
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marginlized Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:40 PM
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3. NPR ain't what it used to be n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:41 PM
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4. Rec'd. It's very humorous watching people fall in line with the suggested talking points n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:57 PM
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18. It gets old, and the repetition (always as if new and clever) is boring. nt
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:42 PM
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5. As with any abstract concept used copiously or liberally,
Some agreement on definition and understanding its intent can facilitate discussion. We see it often used as a synonym for chaos. Of course, there are deeper and more scholarly dissertations on the history and present day applications of anarchism in relation to movements if people are interested. Since it does not refer only to a state of disorder, (depending on who defines order) its political ramifications are noteworthy, in this case.

Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy

Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchā, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:

* "No rulership or enforced authority."<1>
* "A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."<2>
* "Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."<3>
* "Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."<4>
* "Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this." <5>

Merriam Webster Dictionary:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anarchy

Definition of ANARCHY1

a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority c : a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government
2
a : absence or denial of any authority or established order b : absence of order : disorder <not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature Israel Shenker>
3
: anarchism
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:45 PM
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7. OOh, cute. Because I used the word when talking about Anon, I am spewing a "talking point" ?
And you had to start a thread "mocking" mine about it.

lolz
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FamousBlueRaincoat Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:48 PM
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9. sorry about that
I think I just had the PSA stuck in my head from reading your thread. Didn't register. I changed it.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:48 PM
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8. Ten bucks says tomorrow they are nilihist.
Fucking nilihist.



Let the Big Lebowski pics commence
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:57 PM
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17. I'll take that bet, nihilist is too obscure and few have any idea what it is.
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 06:06 PM by Greyhound
I'm betting on the old tried and true; Communist! No understanding required, we just all know it's very, very bad.

BTW; :rofl:

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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:04 PM
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22. ...
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:50 PM
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10. The Sons of Anarchy are great too....n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:53 PM
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13. Every Tea-Bagger is an avowed anarchist, nobody seem to care.
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beforeyoureyes Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:54 PM
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14. Anarchy or a rigged corporate system that enslaves the people of the globe


I think I'll take choice A.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:55 PM
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15. LOL! I just made my last reply to that other thread, hit the GD and find this...
Just when did Americans become terrified by everything in the world and everything they can imagine?
:rofl:

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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:58 PM
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19. Right. It's fear-mongering to warn people that they can get malware and viruses by clicking on blind
links. Or that blind links can open a file with hundreds of consumer credit cards.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 05:59 PM
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20. "Anarchy" here = "TPTB want to catapult the propaganda."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:05 PM
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23. "You're either with us or you're A NEW ABSTRACT NOUN!
:scared:
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:32 PM
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24. Are they saying that anarchy
is what happens when the well-trained, well-paid media have their jobs taken over by others?
We will have to see what that looks like after all these years of media and their so-called journalists keeping the spin intact and the truth concealed.
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