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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:41 AM Original message |
The real question is...".Could Obama have gotten a better deal?" |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, yes...pigs can fly... |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. Without a doubt. nt |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. First there needed to be a give and take before one could call it a deal |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. Saturday afternoon, my kid damn near refused to perform at his recital out of fear of failure. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. You said it beautifully. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
5. he could have let the republicans shoot themselves in the foot by filibustering. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. You are aware that this was tried and failed? You are aware that |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. all the more reason to push Pelosis bill right NOW wihc remved tax cuts for the rich. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
6. Most of the Senate Dems seem to think that the Republicans would have caved on the UI extension. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Most of the Senate Dems couldn't get four colleagues to even allow |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Yes. I saw several Congress critters say that yesterday... |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. He could have educated the voters on what was happening... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. He didn't handle it by himself. Congress tried to pass a middle class only bill. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Congress passed it! It did not fail. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Failed in the Senate. Couldn't get 60 to move it forward. Partially because |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Did it even get discussed in the senate? i thought not. When you say failed, you mean the republican |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Test votes held on a Saturday, could not get 60 votes. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. right. I remember. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. interestingly when the right cnat get 60 votes, they sent in cheney and had bush call everyone and k |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It's very frustrating, but the Senate has been dysfunctional for a while now. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
9. I believe thebottom lineis that unemployment and tax cuts should NEVER have been linked in the first |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. EXACTLY.--to every word in your post. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #14 |
34. ... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. not sure how anyone who is NOT at the negotiation table.... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
17. I think the better question to ask is "Could the Republicans have gotten a better deal?" |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. What I don't understand is why he allowed the |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I think the timing hurt--Dems didn't want to raise taxes on the wealthy |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. The answer is yes. The pukes were bluffing about unemployment and Obama knew it. |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. That does appear to be the differentiating question. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. You must be willing to walk away with no deal |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. No deal is not a good outcome, though. I don't think people realize |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The Senate needs 41 reliable Democratic votes |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Stimulus measures--that's how it got linked. You don't have to agree with them, but |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
33. If Obama believes what the NYTims said today...I am saddened again by this deal.. |
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