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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:40 PM
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I Think I've Wrapped My Hands Around What Truly Pissed Me Off So Much About This Dem Bill.
Edited on Fri May-25-07 04:44 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Though there is no part of me dramatic enough to ever break to the point of claiming I'm now voting independent, green etc, and though I knew in time my anger would pass and I would support the Dems as I always have, I still have been pretty pissed internally these last few days at this bill/vote and I think I finally got a true handle as to why. I'm aware that many of you are angry for your own reasons and the following may likely not apply, but this is my take on my own personal emotions on the matter.

Why? Cause this was our chance to finally stand up firmly to the Administration and show we have the guts to square off in the ring. We looked great in round one, we laid down in round two. Problem is, it was a 10 round match.

See, I wanted this fight. I needed this fight. I wanted so badly to see the Dems send bill after bill to his desk for him to veto childishly. I wanted the battle. I wanted the headlines. I wanted the drama. I was all geared up for it and expected it to go on for weeks. It didn't. It was as anti-climactic as it could be.

Now just to lay my cards on the table a bit, I was never for a second under the illusion that we were going to stop the funding for the war. Not for a second did I think we were going to truly get our way. I knew that no matter what, in the end, we would send a bill with funding that probably wouldn't do a heck of a lot to slow or stop the war. But I also knew that based on projections we had weeks until the current funding would get to a point of affecting our troops. That gives us our own timeline in which to play the political game. Why did we cave so early? Why did we not stand and fight through each round, veto after veto, bill after bill? This is the part that pisses me off more than anything.

I guess what I had in my head, after we sent the first bill his way, was that we would continue to hold our ground and fight hard for our terms, each time knowing it would receive a veto but not caring. Each time we'd turn around and send something similar again, showing the public that we are capable to lead and hear their calls for a change of course to this war, but that we won't put our troops in harms way to do so because though we were providing terms, we were providing funding as well.

I had this vision in my head that we would go through that circular process holding firm to our convictions and stance, until the very last possible slate of time was left that would need to be used for putting a bill through that was not to be vetoed.

I figured right after he vetoed the second to last bill, right before the last possible opportunity we'd have to send another one in a late hour congress session dash, that the Dems would hold a press conference and just quite simply say the following:

"We have made it clear to the President time and time again that it is time for accountability with the war. We have made it clear that there needs to be oversight and benchmarks in order for that to happen. We have done everything we could as your majority in congress to push a bill through that protects our troops and manages the Iraq war in the ways best for them and our country, while holding firm to the expectations you, the public, had for us on election day. But as a majority we can only do so much. Unfortunately, due to a President who refuses to see what the overwhelming majority of this country can see, and due to republican enablers in Congress who dare not go against him, we have been blocked at every corner from putting through this monumentally important bill due to his vetoes and the lack of enough members from his side willing to help us override that veto. We said from the start that we would not put our troops at risk and that they would be funded. We held out as long as we could. We never thought that the President would truly put the lives and well being of our troops at risk for sake of his own pride, however we now are dismayed to have to accept that he would; based on this veto we just witnessed. Since he would rather risk our troops in the field than sign a bill that the overwhelming majority of this country supports, we are left with no choice but to send the following bill to his desk. If we didn't, our troops would suffer. He may put our troops at risk for politics and pride but we will not. We will still do whatever we can from here to make sure that this war doesn't continue on the same path it has. God bless our troops and God bless America".

That's what I wanted to see happen. That's what I thought could happen. That's how I think we could've humiliated the administration while showing the strength we needed to show.

Unfortunately, this didn't even come close to occurring. It was a ten round fight. Why did we lay down in round 2 when we knew we had the fight in us to last through round 10?

At the end of the day, that's what I'm pissed about. We came off typically weak when we could've been refreshingly strong. Maybe next time; I guess.

But like I said last night, I know in a few days time my anger will fade. At the end of the day these are still my Dems. But for now, I still can't help but fixate a bit on the if-onlys and feelings of "wait, for real? That was it?".

But alas, I'll get over it. Sighhhhhhh
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:42 PM
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1. The Democrats took the coward's way out, period
Edited on Fri May-25-07 04:42 PM by lynyrd_skynyrd
They really didn't have any reason to give in like they did. The majority of Americans were behind them. I'm not so sure now.
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earthboundmisfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:45 PM
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2. It goddamned better not be because of the holiday.
Surely they wouldn't do this just so they could get it done with before the effin' holiday - would they? Or would they.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:31 PM
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22. Now that you mention it...
:shrug:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:01 PM
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11. The problem is not all democrats are on board
for closing this war or policy. Therefore, all the leadership can do is send bills that aren't going to change the situation. Hopefully, we'll see one day soon, all democrats take the democratic party position and/or the positions the people sent them to victory for. Personally, as unlawful and dishonest this administration and this war and policy is, I'm very depressed there isn't enough support to do the right things by my country. I can't stand living much longer in such a place. I almost wished I believed all the lies so I could sleep at night still thinking I lived in a free country that shared my love for life and humanity.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:45 PM
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3. Excellent assessment.
:applause:

Although I'm not completely to the same conclusion that you are.

I'm still mighty pissed. :mad:
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:49 PM
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4. I have been struggling to understand where people are coming from
I really appreciate your honest and frank post.....though I tend to like your plain spoken posts anyway - even when I disagree. :hi:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:52 PM
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9. Is That His Real Bat In Your Sig? That Is Too Goddamn Funny!
I just totally got a kick out of that pic.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:17 PM
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15. it's an old batting practice bat.
and the "F U ball" was written by Andruw himself. I got it in a charity auction and later found out it had been stolen from Jones. I called the Braves offices to offer to get it back it back you him and 3 days later Andruw called my his own self and told me to keep it -- sent me a signed pic too.


My brush with fame. LOL :)

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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:50 PM
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5. You hit the nail on the head
Well done!

:applause:
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:50 PM
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6. It still is a ten round fight, and we just saw round two.
As much as I hate to defend anything about the ridiculous clusterfuck that's happened this week, I will say this: I don't think it's over. We lost round two, but rounds three through ten are still to be fought.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 03:38 PM
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24. They could have declared a knockout ...
after round one. I guess they just couldn't accept winning on a technicality.

Veto = no more funding

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:51 PM
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7. I'm supporting some Dems . . .
Barbara Boxer
John Kerry
John Edwards
And certain others

But not one who voted for funding to kill more kids.

And now that we know that Bush lied and should be impeached, funding throwing good lives after good lives is far more evil today than in was in 2003.

I hope all those Beltway people who don't have kids in the war who funded more fighting have a really great, peaceful Memorial weekend. FUCKERS!

Typically weak. We need different leaders (see list above).
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:51 PM
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8. Isn't the Democrat whip supposed to have them voting at least one way?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:03 PM
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12. Remind yourself who both our whips are. Then you'll have answered your own question. -eom
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:59 PM
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10. I don't always agree with you, OMC, but this is a stellar post that is spot on
For six long years I have watched the Dems cower in fear. The cowering was to be over now, but it had hardly begun.

Condi refused a subpeona. Arrest her or otherwise compel her. It's that simple.

Gonzo has already perjured himself a dozen or more times on video. He continues to perjure. More than enough evidence to convict ALREADY.

It's not just this incident, but 1000 others, too. I have been trying to be hopeful, but there isn't much actual reason right now.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:04 PM
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13. Nice fantasy. I had the exact same one, by the way. Sigh, indeed.
Redstone
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:06 PM
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14. I'll drink to that.
Edited on Fri May-25-07 05:06 PM by Patsy Stone
Thanks.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 06:05 PM
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16. Great post.
K&R.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 06:11 PM
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17. I've been saying here for several years
that the current "democratic" party doesn't stand for anything. There no longer is a set of guiding principles that define Democrats. Here on this board, many cling to notions of "Democrat" that haven't really existed in the party for a quarter century. This vote was proof of my assertion with regard to the illegal occupation of Iraq and a commitment to peace and a rational foreign policy.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 06:14 PM
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18. K&R
Edited on Fri May-25-07 06:27 PM by Moochy
'K' to the motherfrakkin 'R'!

Great post OMC!
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:17 PM
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19. I pretty much agree, except
the part about the anger fading. I will transform mine into righteous action.

But I won't get over it. I'm still spittin' mad.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:21 PM
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20. Got over it without even a rise in the blood pressure.
I'm immune to it now, the disappointment. I guess I just don't expect anything from anyone 'in charge'. Not anymore.

Sigh indeed.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 08:28 PM
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21. You and I are mad for exactly the same reasons.
Edited on Fri May-25-07 08:29 PM by truedelphi
I feel like you and I are children growing up in a hghly disfunctional household.

So we have an abusive dad, and a submissive mom.

One day it seems that mom has woken up and no longer is she gonna let Dad drink and beat her, and she definitely is not gonna let Dad hurt us ever again.

You can hardly believe this day has come.

And she does stand up to Dad, like for two or three weeks, but then she gives in.

And she gives in without so much as raising her voice, or complaining to the neighbors, or
taking a slight bruise or two.

And after caving, she still could complain to the neighors and she still could lock Dad out of the bedorom, but she doesn't.

That's how I feel.

Ya know if Ihad been Pelosi, after the final vote, I would have called up the BBC and called up the froreign press and explained to them the resons for caving.

And explained how much of a demoralizing thing it was to do because (and here list all of Bush's malfeasances)

But instead it's just business as usual.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 09:16 PM
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23. Well said -- and personally, after the first round, I was more psyched up
Edited on Fri May-25-07 09:17 PM by KurtNYC
for what I thought would follow.

I figured that the MSM would continue to parrot the 'not supporting the troops' frame and hammer individual Dems throughout the battle. But the numbers are in favor of those who want to end the occupation -- B*sh is at <30% and the war is too. This seems like the best opportunity and timing to expose the MSM as extremely pro-war. I swear the MSM takes these polls on B*sh and the war so that they know how hard they will have to work to keep those from going even lower; they will know how much propaganda Kool Aid to order up for the coming weeks.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 04:43 PM
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25. Good summary OMC. nt
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