Don't you fucking yell at us, Mr President. And your podium

[Subdivisions]

pounding has little effect anymore!

[Gin]

1. he's angrier at dems than he is the rethugs.

[AndrewP]

3. +1

[FiveGoodMen]

15. ALWAYS seems that way

[Poboy]

54. Always IS that way.

[LibraLiz1973]

114. +1,000

[polichick]

18. Even though he cut them out of the negotiations - sort of like the stuff...

...he pulled with healthcare.

[Tatiana]

56. Unfreakingbelievable (but true). n/t

[somone]

58. Democrats: Be quiet, and get under the bus

[SidDithers]

60. Just like DU...nt

Sid

[Union Scribe]

73. So are both right or both wrong?

[bigwillq]

79. We learned it by watching him!

:rofl:

[sarcasmo]

87. +2

[Justitia]

2. yeah, I feel like I just got smacked - WTF is going on here? -eom

[NoodleyAppendage]

4. It's a psychological self-defense mechanism. Protects him from anxiety associated with knowing...

...that he fucked up. It's FAR easier to blame someone else for your own failing.

J

[calimary]

28. He doesn't just NOT dance with the ones "who brung him to the dance," he shits on them.

Them being us.

:banghead:

And ... uh, he and his organization are gonna come back around, asking for my campaign contributions in a year or so?

[Goblinmonger]

82. I can't wait for that call. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

117. Absolutely! nt

[closeupready]

65. I think that's an astute observation.

n/t

[myrna minx]

5. He sure knows how to spark up passion and outrage against his own base -

to the Repubs, it's nothing but olive branches, valentines and deference. :puke:

[senseandsensibility]

89. You have a way with words

and an accurate one, unfortunately. :-(

[DeltaLitProf]

95. I heard him say he was "itching for a fight" with Republicans

Even Maddow was forced to run clip after clip of him pledging to fight with Republicans, battle with them, debate with them. I didn't hear him rail at liberals today. I heard him rail at purists. No one on the Left should be a purist. We compromise for the moment. Then we fight for the future.

[tavalon]

104. Keep our powder dry?

[Celtic Raven]

123. *Pssst*

The Future never gets here.

It's always this moment.

Compromise is always the default position.

Assume the position.











You didn't get the memo did you?

[Celtic Raven]

119. He's had 2 years to fight

with Republicans, but NOW he's itching for a fight?

Yeah right.

:rofl:

[DeltaLitProf]

96. I heard him call Republicans "hostage takers"

n/t

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[kath]

19. I had a post deleted when I said that last night. But I definitely share the sentiment.

[okieinpain]

70. hahaha, that's funny because his post got deleted. so what did

you guy's say.... hahahahahaha.

[Carolina]

26. exactly

I stopped listening to "just words" Obama ages ago. I loathe his speechifying and public appearances as much as I did those of Bush.

In fact, I have turned off TV "news" and instead just check out Latest Breaking News on DU. Much better for the mental health

[Scurrilous]

7. Well said!

K & R :thumbsup:

[eleny]

8. K&R

[phleshdef]

9. He spoke the truth and it only hurts the ones that are guilty.

[Write Left]

12. Guilty of what?

[Dawgs]

62. Guilty of not bending over.

:shrug:

[YOY]

118. Voting for him I guess.

Funny, I thought it would work out in our favor this time...

Silly me!

[snappyturtle]

13. Since I haven't heard what the President said, could you tell

me what 'truth'is he mentioned and who are the 'guilty' ones?

[phleshdef]

17. Its honestly too much to post.

Catch the youtube vids of the last question of the press conference. It will be easy enough to find soon.

[snappyturtle]

42. I kinda figured as much. Thanks anyway....maybe I can catch it

on teevee later.

[Buns_of_Fire]

50. I've no doubt Mr. Olbermann will take note of it this evening. As will Ms. Maddow. nt

[okieinpain]

71. well you know guys at least he is listening and he has acknowledge

your concerns. maybe not the way that he wanted but he has totally left us at the dance. we're just holding two drinks and standing in the corner. hahahahahahaha.....

[alcibiades_mystery]

30. Indeed

You can tell by the yelping here.

:thumbsup:

[Tesha]

76. The funny thing is that in two years, you'll want our votes...

...and not understand why we're not jumping with joy
to support your positions and candidates.

When that happens, try really really hard to remember
the tripe you're peddling these days.

Tesha

[alcibiades_mystery]

81. I wish you well with your revenge fantasy

:thumbsup:

[Tesha]

85. More kind words from a master of them. (NT)

[alcibiades_mystery]

86. Why, thank you

I bow humbly.

:-)

[Dappleganger]

40. Guilty of being vertebrates?

I will not compromise my proud FDR liberal principles for a man who asked us to go to the mat for him then throws us under the bus.

[WiffenPoof]

61. I Absolutely Agree! n/t

[leeroysphitz]

99. +1

[Winterblues]

46. When did he speak the truth, back when he campaigned so HARD against these tax cuts

or now when he buckled under to the Republican propaganda?

[phleshdef]

49. He didn't say anything different about the tax cuts today than he did during the campaign.

He is against them. He doesn't want them. He also doesn't want to fuck over a bunch of all ready desperate people in order to get rid of them. And thats the reality he is left to face.

[MedicalAdmin]

63. Then VETO the stinking mess and send it back...

AND FIGHT for what is right. It's part of the legislative process and the checks and balance of powers. AND HE NEVER USES IT. Sure he MIGHT be facing a veto proof whatchamacallit, but he doesn't even try. He doesn't even try.

He gives up so much and so often I wonder if he is a secret sub bottom to Boners/McChinless's power top?

[Ikonoklast]

88. And throw the unemployed under the bus?

Veto that, and kiss any unemployment extension out the window.


Funny how those with a job are so quick to stand on purity, while others suffer.

Real 'prigressive' values you have there.

[glitch]

90. 2 million unemployed get an extension, 4 million get nothing from this sweetheart deal.

Obviously helping all the unemployed is not the objective.

[Ikonoklast]

92. Move them goalposts.

So, unless everyone gets something, no one should get anything.

Gotcha.

[glitch]

97. Ridiculous. We are discussing whether or not it was a good deal.

It was not and it could have been.

And you don't get to decide where the goalposts are after the fact.

[Joe Fields]

67. When are you going to finally put 2 and 2 together?

Jesus H. Christ!

[October]

77. He helped create the reality

[Bucky]

69. I agree that when you're guilty of something, people pointing it out can get you angry. For example

Obama getting hacked off at Democrats who say he's been spineless against the Republicans.

[walldude]

84. If he was all concerned about the TRUTH

then why didn't he call the Republicans on the LIE that tax breaks for the wealthy stimulate the economy and create jobs? He compromised on that very position, that these breaks will help the economy.

Tax breaks for the wealthy DO NOT STIMULATE THE ECONOMY. THEY DO NOT CREATE JOBS. They create more zero's in offshore bank accounts.

[newspeak]

94. what? that he bent over backwards for the repugs?

That those wealthy tax extensions and the inheritance tax bonus is going to hurt us more. That some people are still going to fall, because unemployment extension will not be for everyone. That the so-called compromise-see he got us the child tax credit (a repug created credit) and the student tax credit and earned income tax credit (KO stated it's included in the stimulus bill). So besides, some people may get their unemployment extended and we still get a tax break (well, at least those who still have a job), how big was the compromise? Looks like the repugs must be doing their greedy happy dance. These tax breaks will further harm us--just watch the social safety net go bye-bye--especially cuts in SS.

[bigtree]

10. he was defending himself against some idiotic presumptions from reporters

. . . that could stand to hear what he said.

[phleshdef]

14. Obama is not allowed to defend himself against any criticisms from the left.

He takes it to Republicans 99% of the time, that gets ignored. He takes it to the harshest critics coming from the left once in a blue moon and its the only thing he ever does. Thats just how it works around here.

[Egnever]

27. Yup yup

a lot of the people here are perpetual victims.

[JuniperLea]

53. You nailed it...

I know you can't see me shaking my head... but that's all I can do right now.

[tavalon]

105. Care to back up that assertion with some links?

I can't remember the last time he took it to the Republicans. Take me down memory lane.

[dave29]

11. Don't like a bully on the pulpit, eh?

hypocrites as far as the eye can see

[chimpymustgo]

16. A hit dog will holler. That was just a jacked up mess - incoherent at times.

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[kestrel91316]

47. There was nothing the least bit "incoherent" about it. I may not be happy with

the compromise, but he had some valid points. He made a good case for his actions.

[jaxx]

20. Looks like it had a big effect.

Why do people take it personally when the truth is pointed out?

[Bluebear]

91. Hahahahahahaahahah IRONY

[Smashcut]

22. He's gotta go get lost.

He's gone from total phony to avowed enemy of progress.

[northoftheborder]

23. Disagree with above comments

I noted a much harsher tone toward Republicans in his Presser. He more than once pointed out their intransigence; that tax cuts for the rich are their principal doctrine set in stone, and that they can no longer sit around and point fingers and say no; next year they will have to govern, and other comments concerning where the Republicans are the obstruction on many points in which the country agrees with him.

[October]

78. You heard it; THEY won't. Too little, too late.

[northoftheborder]

24. duplicate

[Moondog]

25. He certainly does not present himself well when he loses his temper, does he?

[Gin]

39. I have not liked his decisions since the was sworn in....but

today he looked whipped and I felt sympathy for him..

[Moondog]

44. Yeah, he does look whipped.

But I'm still too pissed off about the events of the past couple of days to feel any sympathy.

[Le Taz Hot]

106. They're self-inflicted wounds.

It's hard for me to feel sympathy.

[SidDithers]

29. Mute button broken?...nt

Sid

[dionysus]

31. spam spam spam spam

[SidDithers]

37. egg bacon sausage and spam...

it's not got much spam in it.

Sid

[dionysus]

43. BUT I DON'T LIKE SPAM!1!!11!!

[AldebTX]

32. Removed

Dupe

[AldebTX]

33. The Press Coverage

Says he came out swinging at repugs. Why do I feel like I got punched?

[PufPuf23]

34. Pathetic performance. nt

[Blue_In_AK]

35. I'm glad I didn't watch.

[CakeGrrl]

38. Well, if you're relying on the angry crowd, you're going to get a distorted perspective

It was a sane, reasonable argument about a pragmatic choice in the face of obvious Republican obstruction.

That will NOT fly at this place any longer. This place is becoming a very insular bubble. That ain't good.

[Blue_In_AK]

41. I'm tired of this "pragmatism"

and I'll end up reading about the presser. I just don't care to look at a beaten man right now.

[CakeGrrl]

57. He's not beaten unless you're viewing him through a DU lens. n/t

[Greyhound]

80. Maybe where you live, but right now he would lose to a houseplant around here. n/t

[Individualist]

45. Fuck DLC!

[sendero]

107. As one of Obama's detractors for a long time..

... I will agree that this bill isn't THAT bad, we did get SOMETHING for our compromise.

That said let me explain to you why the base has HAD IT with Obama. It is not just this bill, it is the entire tenor of his presidency. He is JUST TOO SOFT WITH THE REPUBLICANS.

In this speech where he complains that the Reps "took hostages" that is the FIRST TIME I CAN REMEMBER that he sent a serious verbal message about the actions of the Reps. He should have been talking this way since DAY ONE because that is how they have been treating him and the country SINCE DAY ONE.

And FINALLY, I beleive a better compromise could have been reached. What about "Ok, we'll move the bar to $1 million, tax cuts only expire on people making over a million"? SOMETHING for god's sake. But no, it's like he has no imaginiation or desire to make a tough deal at all.

As a Democrat, I just get tired of getting NOTHING even though supposedly my team is in office. Obama has screwed up so many times now he will have to move mountains to get his base back, and he' not up to it.

[CakeGrrl]

36. Oh, you poor sensitive thing

Apparently it irked you enough to start yet another thread. It must have pissed you off.

But you can issue directives to HIM all you want.

Difference is, he can take it.

[butterfly77]

48. It does ..

in the right spot in the correct way...:blush:

[meow mix]

51. washington is no place for fighting!!

think of the billiaires!

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[Whisp]

55. but I thought this was want so many wanted.

Obama getting angry and pounding the podium? wasn't he too weak when he didn't do that?

what the fuck do you want? a switch handy by your keyboard you can push and have Obama display whatever emotion you feel is best for him at the moment?

[ScreamingMeemie]

59. Let's try this again.

They wanted Obama fighting for them, not against them. It's not about emotion, it's about inaction. All the pretty speeches in the world...all the false pounding in the world, isn't going to change the fact that he's "compromising" where there shouldn't be "compromise".

[Whisp]

64. seriously, what did you want that he could do in this situation?

I totally agree with him that the stakes were too high for too many people and that playing games now will hurt those people. How the fuck can anyone come up with more hate for Obama for doing this? What if the tax cuts expired for the middle class - that is a lot of money annually for a whole lot of people. But this is ok because you have some political thing you want that is more important? Does Obama have the Senate votes, ? no, he doesn't. Will the Repugs all of a sudden develop human charateristics, no they won't. What about the fake Dems? will they all of a sudden change their minds and for what reason?


What do you want? For Obama to have gambled on this hoping that somehow, by some magic dust, that he would be able to get all you want in January? What is going on with people here and their ability to think?

It's established that the Republicans are obstructionist asshole scums of the earth, but maybe we need more talk about them here and what they are instead of this flailing about at Obama without really understanding what the process and the set up of the system is.

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[Whisp]

68. it's your skewed defiinition of what a Democrat is that is the problem

and please don't compare Obama, in any way, to that fucking dry drunk dim witted physchopath, okay?

that is so disgusting. end of conversation.

[Goblinmonger]

83. Make. Them. Vote. Against. It.

Put the unemployment benefits up as a separate vote. Make them vote it down if they want and explain it. Put up the middle class tax cuts separate from the upper, upper class and make them explain each vote.

How frickin' hard is that? We are still the party in power, right?

[druidity33]

108. Are you a parent?

Have you ever seen a child throw a temper tantrum at the store? Obama is the parent, the screaming child is the Republicans. Rather than tell the child, "NO! You will not get that piece of candy until you learn to behave!" and remove the child from the store, Obama caves to the screaming child in the store. EVERY DARN TIME. Now, the kid may be spoiled, but it's really the parent at fault here. The adults in the room can't live by just responding to the crying around them, they have to set the agenda... y'know... find the child's interests, make sure there are activities, watch them closely, etc.

Face it, Obama has been a poor "parent" to this country. Sometimes the screaming child needs a reality check. Sometimes the child needs to NOT GET what it wants (despite the fact it will make the Holidays miserable for the rest of the family).

:shrug:

[Trey9007]

75. I have to admit.....

I am one of those that hoped Obama and the Dems would not compromise on the tax cuts. But after watching the press conference, I was reminded about the fact that Obama deals in the world of reality. We all enjoy the luxury of taking a political stance, without having to deal with the consequences of those positions.

If the Dems did not compromise, UE extensions, middle class tax cuts, EIC & child tax credits, and more would all be gone. I think Obama did the right thing in this situation. However, where he went wrong, was allowing this issue to be put off until now. The timing of this debate put Dems in the worst possible bargaiing position they could be. But one must take into consideration that this Congress has been one busy body.

So Im asking all our progressive freinds. Short of having this debate 12/2009, instead of 12/2010, what would you have liked to see Obama do in this situation. There are many people in this country who would like to see nothing more than UE extension and other Dem policies expire. So, the threat of these things expiring aren't really rallying point, IMO.

What would a progressive have done in Obama shoes?

[BlueIris]

72. People who make bad decisions lose support. That's the way it is.

Recognizing your own failure is tough. Deal with it, Sir.

[Rex]

74. Instead of getting mad at Obama, I am more pissed off at Congress.

Ya he could just say NO, but if Congress actually did something besides make laws to help super rich people...neverfuckingmind. The whole thing is pointless by now.

[SaveAmerica]

93. Learned this in my husband's PTSD session today, anger is acceptable emotion

Our society frowns on males when they exhibit feelings like shame, fear, anxiety, embarrassment etc. but it's OK to show anger. So maybe he's ashamed of what he's become and the anger comes out in the place of those feelings.

Or he's lost his mind and forgot his promises and what so many people (including moderate Republicans) wanted him to do when they put him in office.

[Bluerthanblue]

98. but you can yell and curse about him all you like eh?

nice double standard there.

:shrug:

[Subdivisions]

100. Yes I can. I worked to help get him elected and he was elected to serve me and

all Americans, especially his base. I expect him to do the job we elected him to do. I don't expect him to roll over to the Rs like a scolded dog, whom we did not elect in 2006 and 2008.

Got a problem with that?

[Bluerthanblue]

102. yes actually I do- You said it yourself:

"he was elected to serve me AND all Americans"- that's exactly what he's doing.

I'd love for him to take my wish list and grant them all. I'd have us out of Iraq and Afghanistan- gitmo'd be closed- we'd have universal health care- invest heavily in renewable SAFE energy- establish a living wage- I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

We ALL are disappointed that we can't get what we want achieved. Pres. Obama included- where do you think his anger came from today? Do you think he LIKES not being able to do what he set out to do when he began this journey???


He isn't the messiah. I personally never had any illusions that he was. But it is clear that some people did whether they realize it or not. This is the REAL WORLD. We work with what we have, and do the very best we can. And when things don't go as well as we wanted, we don't quit. We pick ourselves up, dust off the dirt and take on the next job.

It all looks so easy from out here. We all think we know just how 'we' would be able to make everything work.

He's doing his best for us. "Yes WE Can". not "Yes He Will".

g'nite.
DU is dragging me down tonite. Tomorrow is another day.

[Arkana]

112. He wasn't elected to serve "especially his base".

He's the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, not the President of the people who voted for him.

[YOY]

124. and he's been doing a bang up job of serving neither!

n/t

[progressiveinaction]

101. Was he stomping his feet?

Only thing I saw was some pounding on the lectern.

[tavalon]

103. On the plus side, I was beginning to think he didn't know he had the bully pulpit,

Nor how to use it. Now if he might consider using it to rail at the hostage takers rather than his base, that might help.

[VeryConfused]

109. What are you saying about his podium?

[Arkana]

110. Don't call us out, Mr. President--it makes us cry!

[seabeyond]

111. i was pissed at obama. still am a bet. also see in a different light since his speech. i liked it

thought good. thought effect. hear what he is saying

but really.

stop all tax reductions. fuck unemployment people. my preferred way.

i will be having a christmas....

progressive?

[donco6]

113. Well, now we know what finally trips his trigger.

Liberals.

[Supersedeas]

115. it is much easier to trivialize and marginalize the left when giving tax breaks to the wealthy

The President took the easy way out and the rich cronies in the media and the fan boys of the President join in on the shout down of those with a principaled point of criticism.

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[YOY]

122. I was going to say "a Republican".

They talk JUST like that.

[Celtic Raven]

120. K&R nt

[Skidmore]

125. Aww, Jeez....