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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:03 PM
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Charge against WikiLeaks founder 'not political': Sweden
Mostly because Ms Ny has apparently been flushed out in the open to make a statement.

STOCKHOLM: A Swedish prosecutor handling rape allegations against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Sunday dismissed suggestions from one of his lawyers that the case might be politically motivated.

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Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny, who is handling the rape allegations in Sweden, defended the pursuit of the case in comments to AFP on Sunday.

"This investigation has proceeded perfectly normally without any political pressure of any kind," prosecutor Marianne Ny said.

"It is completely independent," she added. It was Ny who successfully applied for the Interpol Red Notice against Assange, indicating that he was wanted for questioning over the allegations of rape and sexual assault against two women in Sweden.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Charge-against-WikiLeaks-founder-not-political-Sweden/articleshow/7050607.cms
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:07 PM
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1. LOL
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:10 PM
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4. whats so funny?
I assume you have proof of interference?

Or do you just believe that the word of a lawyer defending somebody automatically makes their words mean more?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:14 PM
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6. LOL
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:17 PM
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9. so no proof, about as expected.
I mean who needs evidence and facts when defending a hero of the people, they just get in the way
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:23 PM
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12. LOL
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:24 PM
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13. LOL
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:25 PM
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14. "so no proof"....just like his accusers! It must be catchy.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:36 PM
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17. I am willing to wait and see the proof OR more likely 'lack' of proof in regards to their charges
at the trial if it goes that far.

What i will not do is give somebody a pass on a potential rape charge just because they are considered a hero by many
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:16 PM
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8. sometimes things are so obvious, that any reasonable person
can draw a reasonable conclusion- which in this case is that it's blatantly political.
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:18 PM
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10. which is where we somewhat disagree to be honest. n/t
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:11 PM
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5. "Honest, I'd tell you right away if I was being manipulated or had some hidden agenda." nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:49 PM
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28. DING DING DING! Forkboy, you're our grand prize winner!
LOL indeed!

:rofl:
rocktivity
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EmilyKent Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:09 PM
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2. That's hilarious!
Sweden has become a laughingstock over this because it's so blatantly obvious.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:15 PM
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7. Yep
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:10 PM
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3. Julian Assange treated like non-citizen by Australian government, says lawyer
And Mr Assange’s London-based lawyer, Mark Stephens, has accused the Australian government of failing to offer help to his client.

As the fallout from the release of diplomatic cables spreads to Australia, Mr Stephens questioned the worth of an Australian passport.

"He has had no assistance or offers of assistance ... by the Australian authorities in Sweden, or London or America," Mr Stephens told ABC radio.

"One has to question what the value of an Australian passport is, whether you agree with what he has done or not."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julian-assange-treated-like-non-citizen-by-australian-government-says-lawyer/story-fn59niix-1225966275969
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:19 PM
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11. LOL! If I still ran an open mic, I'd book her!
:rofl:
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:28 PM
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15. Right. You ALWAYS give written permission for someone to leave a country and then get Interpol after
them for consensual sex but without a condom (or with a broken condom or...whatever)

:rofl:
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:34 PM
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16. Here is some info on Ms. Ny
Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 07:34 PM by glinda
http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/childjustice/Marianne%20Ny.asp

Personal experience with "some" people who deal with child molestation or child abuse cases is that sometimes they have never recovered from having that experience themselves. Perhaps in her case she is harboring incredible disfunction because of personal experience and not dealing with it well as one can hope. As well as being prodded by the USA. Just a thought.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:02 PM
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19. She seems kind of "brittle" to me, she ought to be making her case better,
or not making it at all. So maybe you have a point. That could also make her an easy target for manipulation.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:40 PM
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21. Exactly. I also think the same thing with the "accuser". Not balanced, angry, can be manipulated.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:40 PM
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20. personal experience with both child molestation and abuse has
taught me that ALL people can be very cruel. Even those who you look at as friends and family. The most damaging abuse is quite often at the hands of people that should be 'safe'.

Does this article about Ms. Ny state that she is a survivor, or is this simply your assumption?

Is this helpful or necessiary?

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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:43 PM
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23. If this discussion has hit a personal note with you, I am sorry. Her background is of interest.
Any of her background. And this is her background.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:28 PM
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25. I understand that you are interested in her background. I don't have
a problem with that.

Your comment did hit a nerve with me. I wish I could say that it didn't, but it did.

I think it was unfair for you to speculate that Ms.Ny is a survivor, then take that a step further suggesting she was less than whole as a result or that it would explain some deficit in character or integrity.

I'd like to believe your 'sorry' is genuine and not sarcastic. I don't take issue with you being interested in her background, or sharing it. It's where you went from there.
Many people are making all sorts of unfounded, unfair statements in their attempt to make sense of this whole issue. If TRUTH and FACTS are as precious as people who claim to support Mr. Assange say they are, why not rely on verifiable, plain truths and facts instead of speculation and gossip (this criticism is not directed to you in particular).

peace~
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 12:10 AM
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30. I was genuine and am quite aware and sympathetic to these issues.
No where have I used the words that you have such as deficit in character or lack of integrity.
But I was quite struck by her pursuance of this case while taking into account her past work and focus. I was just "wondering" if there was a connection between possible anger and unresolved issues and her recent actions. Just an off odd wonder.(also taking into account the woman who has accused Assange who admits to hating and trapping men) I do stand by my observation of witnessing some who have moments of lashing out at others when they themselves have not healed.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-10 01:29 AM
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31. you may not have used the exact words but didn't you speculate
that this woman is a survivor of abuse and then go on to say:
"Perhaps in her case she is harboring incredible dysfunction because of personal experience and not dealing with it well as one can hope."

Are you honestly simply 'wondering' or looking for a way to discredit her? People who have never been molested or physically abused get angry too you know, and they also lash out at others. What's with the lashing out and anger in reference to Ms. Ny anyway? The link you posted doesn't discuss this.

There are many survivors who go on to become advocates and healers. The link you posted details Ms.Ny's work with cases CSA and domestic violence which shouldn't give anyone cause to distrust her credibility. The same can't be said for your 'wondering'.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 07:38 PM
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18. The joke is - and people ate acting like they don't know it -
His primary accuser has CIA connections over a number of years.

So yeah - the statement is funny.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:41 PM
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22. Sure it is: Iggo.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 08:44 PM
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24. Riiiighhht. And, Holder's threats are just dinner conversation.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:41 PM
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26. Bullshit!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:44 PM
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27. ...Thereby conclusively proving that it IS political!
Edited on Sun Dec-05-10 09:52 PM by rocktivity
They want to internationally extradite someone for questioning about a crime that at worst will result in a fine? No, it's not political at all!

By the way, they are NOT rape allegations--they involve consensual sex with either a broken or nonexistent condom.

:rofl:
rocktivity
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:51 PM
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29. Lol! And one day we'll find the WMDs in Iraq. n/t
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