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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:33 PM
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maybe he's intentionally trying to piss us off?
so we will be angry enough to "force" him/them all to do what is right?

I'm feeling a little desperate here, reaching for SOME explanation...it just keeps getting worse

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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:37 PM
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1. For the life of me...
I cannot figure out what is going on in his head. I just don't understand ANY of this.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:54 PM
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13. Learn about DLC/NDC and you'll understand.
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MinneapolisMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 PM
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27. Yeah, I already know about them.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:38 PM
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2. well, in my mood of black cynicism,
It's always darkest before the lights go completely out....or the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming trail. The name of the soap opera? AS THE STOMACH CHURNS.

When he kept Rick Warren on the program and Vilsack as Ag Secretary, even after all the calls for "No, don't do this", I knew we were knocking on a fake door.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:52 PM
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8. Yes, right after the election
it started. No matter what we asked, wrote, called about it was ignored. If anything I think it could be the 'false equivalency' thing, the comparing of the right wing loonies with the left who wanted him to be that historic change President. Ignoring his base is sort of a way in his mind of getting the independents to rally around him. He just appears weak though and like he doesn't really believe in anything or willing to fight for anything. He has abandoned the very things he won on and why those independent voters wanted him.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:09 PM
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23. I can think of only one thing I wrote and pleaded with him to do that he did.
And that was hiring Elizabeth Warren, though only as an advisor to a committee or whatever. I think someone, at some time, whispered in his ear that he who wins the middle wins the election, and he took it to heart.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 08:55 AM
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50. He didn't do it for you; but I'm glad
that you were encouraged. Remember that Elizabeth was his friend before, that was her only saving grace.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 08:54 AM
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49. aren't independents just disillusioned
Democrats?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 11:50 AM
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52. Independents are referred to as
'center' or 'center right' but the independents that I know are more liberal than the dems we have in DC(and yes, disillusioned with the Democratic Party). So who knows the reality of what they really are it's the current perception whether factual or not. Maybe it's just their excuse for going to the right.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:41 PM
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53. I'm going for the answer
EXCUSE

Now on to insanity category for $400. please.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:53 PM
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10. Feel the same way here.
And now the fake door will apparently be made in Korea, as the "new NAFTA" agreement comes to light.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:38 PM
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3. Nah... More like some people feel the perpetual need to BE pissed off.
That's all.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:50 PM
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7. Actually, some of us really like being happy and hopeful and optimistic. nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:56 PM
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14. Aye.
Some here. Some there. Some in between. :hi:
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 PM
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24. Yeah. Some of us really wanted to continue believing.
So, of course, it's our fault.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:33 PM
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35. THATS IT! THANK YOU!!!
Now I get it. It's not that Obama promissed a bunch of things on which he has failed to deliver (some of which he now denies ever having promissed in the first place), it's not that he and his staff have repeatedly insulted progressives, and its not even that he's reached out to pacify the Repukes more often than he has for his much maligned base. NO!

It's just that some people WANT to feel pissed off. Things aren't bad enough for us, so we pick on poor president Obama, because that's how we get our jollies.

Did you forget the sarcasm tag, or did I just miss the very important memo where you explained what the hell you are talking about?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:52 PM
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:38 PM
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4. I've been wondering the same thing myself.
I also wonder if he's trying to FINALLY piss off the "Reagan Dems" who have lost everything, into railing against the ones they SHOULD have been railing against all along.

But I gotta tell you, I'm really getting tired of wondering if he's still playing three-dimensional chess.

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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:48 PM
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5. I am tired and exhausted
of trying to figure out what he is doing, I am just discouraged. :cry:

Jenn
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:57 PM
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17. Yep. That is where I am as well. I just cannot listen to the news any more....
This is how I felt when dimson was in the White House....could not listen to the news since everything just got me angry or terrified.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:48 PM
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6. I don't think that's it, although I don't have a good answer. I keep thinking back
to hearing he'd rather have a ham sandwich if he can't have the whole pig, which is pragmatic, but jeez! We could have had TWO ham sandwiches if he'd been a little less "bi-partisan".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:52 PM
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:54 PM
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12. Now now - there could be children
Reading this.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:56 PM
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15. No worry
Arne Duncan is hard at work making sure they can't read
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:57 PM
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18. Calling the *Democratic* president a "whore".
Priceless.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:03 PM
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20. No consequences
The pack animals snarl louder. The lynch mob gets its ropes all out.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:04 PM
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21. Democratic, you say?
I don't see much Democratic-ness going on with him at all. There's a whole lot of just-like-Bush-did going on but since he's wearing a misleading label, people who used to know better suddenly find merits in bankrupt policy.

The irony is that he ran on "change", but he stands as a testament to the futility of using the ballot box to effect change. This country couldn't have rejected Bush any more soundly than it did, but you would not know it from policy.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 PM
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25. Whatever.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 PM by jefferson_dem
Perhaps you should just stick to the playground insults... Because your political analysis is pretty weak.

He's only presided over the most impressive set of *progressive* policy accomplishments in a half century

...opposed at every turn by the lock-step Repugs and defended nearly unanimously by Democrats in the government and in the electorate. Surely, that can't mean that he's a real "Democrat". :crazy:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:32 PM
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34. He's only presided over the most impressive set of *progressive* policy accomplishments
:rofl:

RL
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:25 AM
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40. Which president has a more impressive record in that respect?
We all await your response.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 08:44 AM
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47. ...
:rofl:

RL
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:50 PM
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54. Weak.
You. Fail.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 03:57 PM
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55. Keep trying
:rofl:

RL
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 04:26 PM
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56. It's obvious you're unable to answer the challenge...
about which president has a better record.

So...keep digging. Please.

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:55 AM
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41. i got a chuckle out of that one, myself.

when i don't know whether to laugh or cry, i usually laugh.


on a different note, i don't understand AT ALL why there is so much confusion/handwringing about Obama's "motivations"/"intentions"/"agenda"/etc, it really could not be any clearer at this point. :shrug:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:50 AM
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45. I ask you the same question I asked the poster above.
Which president would you name - other than the current one? Progressive policy. Past half century. Go!
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:40 AM
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44. Glad someone let us know!
I feel better already!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:51 AM
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46. If you were actually paying attention...
you wouldn't need somebody to tell you.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:53 PM
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11. The chess game is over we lost
The Queen and the Rooks was given away before the game even started.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 08:56 AM
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51. lol and we didn't even have checkers (against their chess) to begin with
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:56 PM
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16. If he's that craven, that he wants us to "force" him to do what is right, I don't want him.
Game over, man! Game over!
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:05 PM
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22. Memorable Line From...
Aliens - Excellent!
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:13 PM
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28. It happens when I get a couple beers in me.
Heh. :hi:
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:58 PM
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19. We elected him as a leader,
not a passive-aggressive igniter.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:11 PM
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26. Hell, that is my little seed of hope but it is small and just a figment of brainstorming on the WTF?
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 10:12 PM by TheKentuckian
Factor.

Most likely the President is a conservative that isn't a Republican because he didn't want to live in the boonies, is black, and isn't a hardline regressive.

The present Republicans are not to be confused with conservative they are most certainly radical regressive corporate toadies.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:15 PM
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29. Yeah, it's JUST like FDR would have done
Right after FDR caved to every demand of the GOP, he magically transformed into a colorful, progressive butterfly who instantly passed the New Deal.

And the peasants rejoiced.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:16 PM
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30. If so, he's doing an excellent job.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 08:51 AM
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48. Indeed. I quit trying to understand this kabuki theatre a while ago. n/t
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:21 PM
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31. I don't think he really cares if we're pissed off or not except that it makes him look tough to...
stand up to the left.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:25 PM
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32. that would be the post election winning formula
independents left the president in droves that were behind his election in 2008. My theory is that in order to reel the middle back in, policies that will result in left wing outrage, angry headlines at HuffPo, special comments attacking the administration from Keith Olberman, sarcasm and smarminess from Rachel Maddow, and Mike Malloy channeling Howard Beale... all under the likely correct assumption that once they see a wide open republican presidential primary featuring candidates tearing each other limb from limb to out conservative each other, he'll by comparison look more appealing to the middle and more tolerable from the left.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:29 PM
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33. There is no explanation.
He determined early on the left has nowhere else to go and he's proceeding accordingly.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:44 PM
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36. I didn't vote for fun and games
fecking with my head sheeyit. If I wanted that I would have voted Republican.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:56 PM
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38. No, I think he and his advisors just took away the wrong lesson from the midterms.
He really needs some new advisors--they seem to be out of ideas and sticking with the Clinton playbook, and it will not work the same way this time. They're badly misjudging the tax-cut situation, and I'm not sure why they can't see the alarm bells going off all around them.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 11:22 PM
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39. A community organizer by definition seeks concensus.
That's how they work.

I don't think it's serving us too well.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:33 AM
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43. And a constitutional scholar generally understands the Constitution.
Just sayin'.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:14 AM
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42. about Obama's "Grand Campaign": i don't know and i don't care. nor should i have to.
he could be launching a defensive campaign against the underwear gnomes of zurich -- and i don't care.

we have real big problems and he has chosen not only not to fix them, but to make things worse. so, i'm done! i could care less about window dressing legislation when the house is on fire. and i have no need to defend my decision after that point.

he can go make speeches to an empty room for all i care -- i have other (grassroot) priorities.
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