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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:02 PM
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Wikileaks.org - DOWN
I was just going to donate money.

Fucking bastards...this is not the end. :grr:

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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:05 PM
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1. What did Bush and Cheney do to cause this?
?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:05 PM
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2. Oh, come on. You're too stupid to understand the workings of a "democratic" government.
Just trust the Daddy knows what's best for you.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:06 PM
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3. Probably just another DoS attack.
Wikileaks has had a couple of them happen since the State Dept. memo leak.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:07 PM
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4. They just said on Twitter that Amazon kicked them off.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 02:08 PM by Ian David
They're going to host on a server in Europe or somewhere.

WikiLeaks servers at Amazon ousted. Free speech the land of the free--fine our $ are now spent to employ people in Europe. 17 minutes ago via web
http://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/10058229002272768


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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:22 PM
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9. Smart move on Amazon's part.
Amazon is in business to make money, not to be revolutionaries.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:08 PM
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5. Does anyone seriously think that government should be 100% transparent?
There really are some things everyone doesn't need to know.

Outing war crimes is a noble cause - letting the world know that a US diplomat thinks the pres of Russia is a jackass is another.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:14 PM
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6. They can make the recipe for nuclear weapons classified if they want
and war strategy, etc. When people's lives are at stake.

Opinions? IMO anything said about anyone else should be said as if you said it to their face. US foreign policy will benefit from having our cards on the table.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:29 PM
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12. What about exposing what foreign diplomats have said in private?
Think about it. India and Pakistan are enemies but because both are nuclear powers they have been careful and have slowly improving relations. Now there is the possibility of increased tensions between them because of what their diplomats said, in unguarded moments, to our diplomats in private and is now published globally. Increased tensions between nuclear opponents is never a good thing.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:30 PM
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13. Just the opposite.
The truth reduces tensions. Always.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:36 PM
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18. Only in Pollyanna World.
In the real world, there are some things that are better left unsaid, or if said by another then unrepeated.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:37 PM
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19. No, Pollyanna World is thinking Pakistan will nuke India because of an offhand comment.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 02:37 PM by wtmusic
Pollyanna World is not the truth. Pollyanna World is what starts wars.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:42 PM
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22. I said "increased tensions". I did NOT say they would nuke because...
...of an offhand comment. Those are orders of magnitude apart. However, anything that serves to increase tensions between nuke apponents is a bad thing. It can come at the wrong time to contribute to a perfect storm situation.

The real world result will be that foreign diplomats will be less candid with out diplomats thereby leaving ours less well informed about what is really happening in other countries.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:45 PM
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23. I don't agree.
Tensions have been decreased - everyone's cards are on the table now. These people are not stupid, and they're not infants. Most of the critical aspects of the leak were probably known anyway, and if there was anything personally offensive it won't change policy one whit.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:52 PM
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27. In history, exposed diplomatic secrets have inflamed populations...
...and been contributing factors to war.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:57 PM
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28. Can you give me an example? nt
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:26 PM
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32. The U.S. entry in to WWI was facilitated by the Zimmermann telegram.
That was NOT the sole reason for our entry, but it was made public and helped inflame the public against Germany.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:31 AM
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35. OK, let's look at the alternative.
What if the telegram had not been intercepted? Though its known in hindsight that Mexico wouldn't have accepted the offer, if the US had waited longer to enter the war it might have continued for another 2 years, with hundreds of thousands of casualties as a result.

Taking a long-term view, being forthright is still the best policy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:32 PM
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15. You can learn a lot about people by how they talk about
things. You can learn a lot about an organization by listening to how it talks to itself and about you.
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:17 PM
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7. Piss off the US gov. and they will DESTROY you.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:20 PM
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8. Think about it
This has NOTHING to do with the latest dump of not-very-important material. Why close the barn door after the horse is gone?

This has EVERYTHING to do with what's coming "in early 2011," to-wit: the dirt on some bank. THOSE bastards play for keeps.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:28 PM
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11. There was an encrypted file in the root directory of wikileaks.org
named insurance.AES256. Assange put it there as "insurance" in case the site goes down - if it did, he threatened to release the key to the file, which supposedly contains dirt of the most classified and damning nature.

Is this an attempt to block release of the key, until Assange is in custody? Certainly others have the key, and certainly there will be multiple outlets for the bank info. IMO the horse is already gone on that too.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:38 PM
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20. Great avatar!
No coal, indeed!

You're likely correct about the key issue. It seems the folks in the seats of power are totally flummoxed for how to deal with the fact that their dirty laundry's sitting in a basket, and they can't do anything to keep it off the public clothesline.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:32 PM
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14. And that is why a business like Amazon is ducking out of the line of fire. N/T
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:23 PM
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10. Did the Kurds get to it?
They've been on a roll.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:34 PM
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16. Why don't you donate money to someone that actually needs it?
Like a charity or DU?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:42 PM
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21. Oh crap.
I give thousands of $$ every year to charity. Don't get me started.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:45 PM
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24. You can consider me a charity.
:D
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:49 PM
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26. If you promise not to send me junk mail, you're on.
:D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:35 PM
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17. They'll be back up.
Is it worth it to contact Amazon? I get the feeling Wikileaks is better off in Europe but maybe it wouldn't hurt to let Amazon know what craven dicks they are. Can't decide.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 02:47 PM
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25. Amazon is a business. They are not revolutionaries.
Don't expect them to take any political stance, left or right. Hosting a site such as Wikileaks stands to get them embroiled in huge legal battles with high legal fees and possible fines. That hurts the bottom line, so they evicted a customer that was likely to cost them more money than it was worth. It is all about $$$.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:08 PM
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29. Yes, it is all about the money, duh, which is why
hearing from customers, especially ones that do all their shopping on line, might not hurt.
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:30 PM
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33. Very few online customers are that politically motivated.
Also, conservatives shop online too. Palin's latest book is #23 there. Amazon will try to avoid antagonizing either side.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:16 PM
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30. it's up as of 4:16 EST.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:17 PM
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31. Thanks. nt
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strawberryfield Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 03:37 PM
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34. I don't think this is the government
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 03:40 PM by strawberryfield
As I said in another thread, I believe that this is about hackers wanting to put another notch on their belts. This is way too attractive of a target for hackers wanting bragging rights not to be interested. I know this because I was once one of these guys. Of course, these hackers are probably feeling pretty confident that they will not suffer retribution from any law enforcement agencies. Long live anarchy!!!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-10 09:51 AM
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36. Here's one
Edited on Thu Dec-02-10 09:52 AM by wtmusic
And it doesn't appear the FBI is doing anything to take his sight down, despite him boasting of committing a felony.

http://th3j35t3r.wordpress.com /

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