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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:35 PM
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GOP to shut down the Senate? Perfect time to abolish the filibuster.
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 12:39 PM by denem
Like tomorrow?

Can be done with a simple vote? Yes?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:36 PM
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1. *Sigh*, No, Cannot Be Done Tomorrow, Only At The Beginning Of A NEW Session
Next year with the new Senate, yes. Tomorrow, no.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 PM
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2. Kay.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:38 PM
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5. Fuck the rules - the GOP doesn't even follow the rules
Let's turn it AGAINST them.

Why are they SO afraid of invoking the nuclear option. They CAN set it to expire on Jan 1st 2011.

Hawkeye-X
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:39 PM
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6. Yes, Fuck The Rules, Let's Behave Like Republicans!
You don't want a Democracy, you want a dictatorship.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:41 PM
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13. And how is it any different when neither the D's or the R's aren't helping the middle/lower class?
and the RICH has already emphasized that they DO NOT WANT any more tax cuts. They want to pay their fair share. But there's always greedy assholes who wants more - and for what?

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:46 PM
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17. You Want A Dictator, As Long As He's Dictating What YOU Want
Yes, fuck the rules. Just like Bush. Just like Republicans. It's what you want. Just own it and stop pretending otherwise.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:39 PM
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8. Actually you can - it's called the nuclear option
Reid needed to invoke it two years ago when it was clear that the GOP wasn't cooperating.

We could have maintained the Senate level and even the House if the NO was invoked in 2008.

Hawkeye-X
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:40 PM
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10. Wrong, You Can't Until The New Session.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:42 PM
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14. To abolish the filibuster, there are two options
One is to establish the new rules before the next Congressional session as you mentioned.

However, in a dire emergency where filibusters has done nothing but obstruct necessary laws or nominations, then the filibuster rule can be removed by the nuclear option.

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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:45 PM
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15. So You Want Them To Be Like Republicans?
Edited on Wed Dec-01-10 12:51 PM by Beetwasher
I assume you supported their threat of using the Nuclear Option?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 PM
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3. Let's hope they refuse their paychecks AND medical benefits.
It's the right thing to do: no work, no pay.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:37 PM
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4. aren't there still more Dems in the Senate?
can't they fight it?
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SlimJimmy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:39 PM
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9. We need 60 to stop the filibuster, and we don't have the votes. (nt)
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:40 PM
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12. The only potential process is the "Nuclear Option"...
...proposed by the Republicans back in 2005. It requires the acquiescence of the Senate Parliamentarian and the Vice President on a point of order about changing Senate Rules, and requires a Majority of Democrats to give up the Filibuster pretty much forever (including the inevitable future when the Republicans are in charge.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:45 PM
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16. The best way to use the filibuster is force them to USE it
Jeff Merkey has the right idea. Just the mention of "filibuster" is not enough - they have to do the actual filibuster until they give up (and hopefully die of heart attacks doing so)
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:47 PM
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18. that's exactly what I meant
make them stand there for hours and hours - talking to an empty room, if need be. The Dems should fight them on this.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:39 PM
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7. We're the minority; we NEED the filibuster. What SHOULD happen is that they should actually

DEBATE!!!



24/7 - rather than just say "filibuster" without actually filibustering and all business is shut down until they break the filibuster.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-10 12:40 PM
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11. this isn't news they have shut down the senate for last 2 years
yet the media treats this like a new idea Republicans just had. L O L.
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