Why doesn't Wikileaks leak Chinese- N.Korean- Russian- Cuban

[Bluerthanblue]

and other countries 'secrets'? Or have they? I've never heard of any 'big dump's' of other countries 'classified' information.

Do those governments not have anything 'juicy' for the world to feast on?

[xchrom]

1. Two things: you leak what is leaked.

And the afore mentioned didnt start what is the focus of attention.
The illegal war in Iraq and the cluster fuck that is Afghanistan.

[Catherina]

4. +1 n/t

[Bluerthanblue]

6. seems to me there is plenty of stuff that other nations are

doing and keeping covered up - Israel- is quite good at keeping secrets, and I'm sure there are some secrets they keep that they wouldn't want aired in the way the Mr. Assange is airing with the US-

Yes, Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed clusterfucks- but they aren't going to get better, or not have happened by what is being 'leaked'-

Why does Wikileaks have such a narrow agenda? And if it doesn't- can you show me that?

[xchrom]

7. Because you can't leak what isn't being leaked.

And second -- this really, really, really is about
The U.S. And Iraq and Afghanistan.

Why isn't THAT of concern to you?

It's the thing that we as American citizens have an interest
In and can do something about.

Assange isn't picking on us for fucks sake.

[Bluerthanblue]

24. Assange isn't furthering the cause of peace by

leaking what he's CHOOSING to leak-

And I don't believe that he's looking with the SAME critical eye at the world at large, which begs the question- what IS his 'agenda'?

I DESPISE much of what "we" have done militarily in this world- from dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the "cold war" to getting involved in Vietnam, manipulating governments in S. America and the Middle East- Gulf War 1, the "war on terror" 'sanctions' which have caused untolled suffering of countless 'innocent' people- The war in Afghanistan begun by Bush, the illegal, immoral war against Iraq.

I think that there are many things being done, and that have been done that our nation shouldn't be involved in. I don't believe that 'dumping' the classified documents in the self-righteous, careless manner that Mr. Assange is doing is of any real lasting or meaningful benefit to anyone other than him- and those who profit by the sensationalism that he is working hard to create.

If you honestly believe that what he is doing is going to change things for the better, hold on to your idealistic hat, cause I believe you are in for a big disappointment.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. I get it. He has lots of stuff on the evil guys but won't release it cause he's an evil guy himself.

And evil guys gotta stand together. :eyes:

[Bluerthanblue]

38. ???

not sure I follow your logic.

Does he have an agenda or not?

Is he acting with NO personal self-interest?

Is he without fault? Should HIS motivation/actions be above question?

Skip the sarcasm please and speak plain.

thanks

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

46. You seem to be sure Wikileaks HAS leaks from those other countries you mention.

And that he chooses not to release them.

That's an assumption of rectal origin.

[xchrom]

33. More disappointed than what? Iraq! The cluster fuck Afghanistan?

I don't believe your stated position AT ALL.

He hasn't released sensitive docs related to just the US - but other nations as well.
Italy, great Britain, etc.

Now I suspect you know that and are cherry picking your
Concern.

But this is what transparency looks like -- it says
More about you than assange if it makes you uncomfortable.

[Bluerthanblue]

40. why do you feel the need to attack me,

rather than address my questions.

Where are the 'dumps' of classified documents from Italy- GB etc-

Please, link me to them-

I've SEARCHED myself - and asked repeatedly and no one provides any.

If you have some, provide them if you will.

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. Did the Pentagon Papers change attitudes about Vietnam? nt

[Mimosa]

31. You got it! LOL. N/T

[northernlights]

2. they aren't the world's biggest bully. We are. WE'RE #1! WE'RE # 1!

Oh, they may bully their own citizens or immediate next door neighbors. But they don't do nearly the bullying we've done over the last 50 years.

We are the world's bully. We have spent 50 or so years going around the world, creating "coups" and installing "democratically elected governments" of our choice in countries who's governments we don't like. We probably drop more bombs on innocent civilians in a year than they have combined in their entire histories. That is why.

[Bluerthanblue]

10. wrong is wrong no matter where it's done- We did 'wrong' things

when JFK was in power, hell, we did wrong things when FDR was in power.

Are you saying that Wikileaks agenda is to take down the world's bully which is the USA?

I'm not condoning the wrong that the US has done, is doing, and will do-
I DO wonder why Jullian Assange has what seems to be an agenda against the US, and why he is choosing to escalate it now.

(we did a hell of alot of terrible things to Iraq under GHW Bush) during the 'first gulf war'- )

[northernlights]

26. Huh?

Sorry, but your post makes zero sense. JFK and FDR were "here" too -- that has nothing to do with "where it's done."

Was Julian Assange even born when JFK was in power? He wasn't when FDR was. And we weren't the world's biggest bully when FDR was around. It wasn't until after WW2 that we became the world's biggest bully.

Wikileaks couldn't leak when JFK and FDR were around. The internets and the WWW hadn't been invented. And Assange and the rest of the Wiki team hadn't been born.

You asked why Wikileaks is picking on poor old USA. I answered that. Because we are the world's biggest bully.

As to why now? Because they can. The info was leaked to them. They leaked it to the world.

Wikileaks doesn't go around spying and tapping into phones and cables and etc. The info was leaked to them. They verified it. And now have leaked it to the world.

When somebody leaks Korean or Russian or other info, maybe they'll leak that too.

If you want to know Wikileaks agenda, ask Wikileaks.

And seriously, the more important question is WHAT DID OUR GOVERNMENT DO THAT THEY ARE SO AFRAID OF THE LEAKS THAT THEY ARE RUNNING AROUND LIKE CHICKENS WITH HEADS CUT OFF?

[Pavulon]

17. Yep securing HEU in pakistan and working on a peaceful korean unification, fuck us

we should just commit national suicide we are such bad and evil people.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. LOL.

Our government knows that Pakistan was refusing to secure their HEU. Pakistan knows that they are refusing to secure their HEU. So WHO THE FUCK ARE WE KIDDING? And do you really think the N Korean government doesn't know every move we are making IRT unification? WHO THE FUCK ARE WE KIDDING?

The only people kept in the dark are the American people.

[provis99]

3. there's some stuff on China:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4632706

[Poll_Blind]

5. Hey, uh, does it ever occur to you that somebody has to SEND WikiLeaks the info?

Like, somebody with access to Chinese, North Korean, Russian, Cuban secrets?

:shrug:

PB

[Bluerthanblue]

13. are you sure that Mr. Assange doesn't seek out sources for

information on the US? Do you believe he does for other countries?

[Poll_Blind]

23. You really don't seem to have any idea what WikiLeaks is, do you?

I'll bet before this you didn't even know what WikiLeaks was. Maybe you should actually look at the previously-released information by WikiLeaks before getting coked-up on some crazy conspiracy theories.

:shrug:

PB

[Bluerthanblue]

36. share your knowledge with me if you will-

and please don't make assumptions about me- I'll try and offer you the same respect.

Got some links?

[Poll_Blind]

47. All you need, for it seems to cover the majority of their releases is...

...their WikiPedia page.

I've followed them off and on since they started up and the WikiPedia gives a fairly good accounting of their major and even minor releases. WikiLeaks != Cryptome. Cryptome searches out and pays for information. When I say "pay" I mean they pay for satellite photographs, etc. Your criticisms of WikiLeaks are far more applicable to a place like Cryptome, because the two operate so differently.

Cryptome has been keeping a much, much lower profile though (at least to the general public), and they've been around for at least 10 years, IIRC. Depending on how far back you go, they were even around before the old Memory Hole website.

PB

[Bluerthanblue]

48. thanks-

I appreciate the info, and did go and read the wikipedia article about them.

But I find it very strange that I can't access information about anything tangible about other issues from the wikileaks site.

Do YOU have any success reading there? I'm not big on letting other people filter facts for me, and even though I've found wikipedia to be fairly accurate in most of their information, I'm frustrated by the wikileaks site. It leaves much to be desired imo, and I'm not able to get much of anything out of it.

thanks for trying to help me understand.

[Poll_Blind]

52. The WikiLeaks site itself, over the last few years, started to come under...

...serious, regular attacks. What that means is the site isn't really usable like it used to be. Used to be there was a sort of blog where they touched on large releases while, IIRC, the smaller releases justsort of rolled out in an automated fashion. There were lots and lots more leaks and subjects on the site than there are now. Unfortunately the continual attacks that the U.S. and others have destroyed the site several times over.

If you're really serious about knowing what WikiLeaks was before the attacks became unbearable, you can see the Archive.org backup by going here and pasting "http://wikileaks.org" into their "WaybackMachine" searchbox (middle top of page). So, can't remember what chronological time this one's from but here's a page on Li Dan, a Chinese whistleblower who exposed the Chinese AIDS epidemic- something which the Chiense government wanted to supress.

If you've not used Archive.org before, it's going to be a bit frustrating. Because each of those sites you connect to is the whole site (or at least a chunk of it) but from a specific slice in time. So you have to wind up visiting multiple "slices" at various times to see how things developed. The slice I provided is from fairly early on and Archive.org is not perfect.

PB

[razorman]

8. Leaking their stuff will get you dead real quick.

[FreakinDJ]

9. Firing Squads come to mind

and the fact not only will the leaker be shot by firing squad after a lengthy 60 minute trial. Most likely his wife too.

And the rest of his family will merely be placed in prison for an indefinite period of time

[Name removed]

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[Bluerthanblue]

15. I'm begining to think that you might be right-

Which leads me to wonder why?

[sabrina 1]

21. I think you should do some research before making grossly

inadequate statements like that. Wikileaks HAS leaked stories about countries, and were never focused only on the U.S. Where did you get that idea? The U.S. is so self-centered I suppose as far as America goes they are the center of the universe and do not notice what is happening anywhere that isn't directly related to them. :eyes:

Sorry to shoot the victim card claim. But facts matter even on the internet.

[Bluerthanblue]

43. would you please link me to some document dumps from

wikileaks from other countries similar to the ones he's done about the US?

I'd really appreciate it.

thanks-

Facts DO matter, which is why I posted the OP. But I'm hearing few facts, and many snide remarks.

[Name removed]

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[kgnu_fan]

14. Since starting around in 2007, Wikileaks has been disclosing many materials

from many countries, but it has not been getting mainstream media coverage, until this whole thing with Iraq video came into people's view in April, then tons of documents were made available this summer....

If you are genuinely interested, you should go to Wikileaks' site when it get back up. There are lots of interesting materials, from Africa, Iceland, China... etc, etc, etc...

[Pavulon]

18. No secret info from china and russia of any merit.

that would be a health risk.

[Overseas]

50. Exactly. stuff has been leaked about many countries. //nt

[GrpCaptMandrake]

16. Because Iran, N Korea, Israel, et al.

are all much more clamped-down authoritarian states than we at least used to be. The fact of the matter is, we're not very good at this stuff and never have been. An open society SHOULDN'T be good at "secret" stuff, for the most part.

More importantly, however, the greatest amount of recent evil in the world has been unleashed by OUR country, not North Korea or Iran.

[Hardrada]

20. Good point!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

62. Please tell me you're joking?

You're conforming worryingly closely to the right-wing stereotype of the America-hating left-winger who overlooks crimes committed by every country and blames everything that goes wrong in the vicinity of the USA on it.

If not, go and read up a bit more on the governments of China, Iran etc.

[sabrina 1]

19. They do and they have. Why would you assume otherwise?

They have exposed corruption in many countries. But only when someone is courageous enough to whistle-blow. That does take an enormous amount of courage.

[Bluerthanblue]

25. can you point me to any?

I'd appreciate that-
:hi:

[Poboy]

28. Hello McFly- WikiLeaks Plans to Publish Secret U.S. Cables on Russia

WikiLeaks Plans to Publish Secret U.S. Cables on Russia

26 November 2010
Reuters
WASHINGTON — Classified U.S. diplomatic cables reporting corruption allegations against foreign governments and leaders, including from Russia, are expected in official documents that WikiLeaks plans to release soon, sources said Wednesday.
The whistle-blowing web site said on its Twitter feed this week that its next release would be seven times larger than the collection of roughly 400,000 Pentagon reports related to the Iraq war that it made public in October.
Three sources familiar with the State Department cables held by WikiLeaks say the corruption allegations in them are major enough to cause serious embarrassment for foreign governments and politicians named in them.
They said the release was expected next week but could come earlier.

full-
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/wikileaks-plans-to-publish-secret-us-cables-on-russia/424882.html

[sabrina 1]

32. Sure, this is a good article about

the Wikileaks, and it references Wikileaks' work re other countries other than the U.S. since it started.

No Secrets: Julian Assange’s Mission for Total Transparency

So far, even though the site has received more than a hundred legal threats, almost no one has filed suit. Lawyers working for the British bank Northern Rock threatened court action after the site published an embarrassing memo, but they were practically reduced to begging. A Kenyan politician also vowed to sue after Assange published a confidential report alleging that President Daniel arap Moi and his allies had siphoned billions of dollars out of the country. The site’s work in Kenya earned it an award from Amnesty International.

Assange typically tells would-be litigants to go to hell. In 2008, WikiLeaks posted secret Scientology manuals, and lawyers representing the church demanded that they be removed. Assange’s response was to publish more of the Scientologists’ internal material, and to announce, “WikiLeaks will not comply with legally abusive requests from Scientology any more than WikiLeaks has complied with similar demands from Swiss banks, Russian offshore stem-cell centers, former African kleptocrats, or the Pentagon.”

When they first launched the site, he already had documents from several countries but it doesn't say he had any from the U.S. back then.

WikiLeaks Was Launched With Documents Intercepted From Tor

The siphoned documents, supposedly stolen by Chinese hackers or spies who were using the Tor network to transmit the data, were the basis for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange’s assertion in 2006 that his organization had already “received over one million documents from 13 countries” before his site was launched, according to the article in The New Yorker.

Assange has said that he likes sticking it 'to the bad guys' around the world. Can't say I disagree with him there since no one else is doing it anyhow.

[Poboy]

22. WikiLeaks Plans to Publish Secret U.S. Cables on Russia

WikiLeaks Plans to Publish Secret U.S. Cables on Russia

26 November 2010
Reuters
WASHINGTON — Classified U.S. diplomatic cables reporting corruption allegations against foreign governments and leaders, including from Russia, are expected in official documents that WikiLeaks plans to release soon, sources said Wednesday.

The whistle-blowing web site said on its Twitter feed this week that its next release would be seven times larger than the collection of roughly 400,000 Pentagon reports related to the Iraq war that it made public in October.

Three sources familiar with the State Department cables held by WikiLeaks say the corruption allegations in them are major enough to cause serious embarrassment for foreign governments and politicians named in them.

They said the release was expected next week but could come earlier.

full-
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/wikileaks-plans-to-publish-secret-us-cables-on-russia/424882.html

[fascisthunter]

29. try to discredit Wikileaks all ya want

it's too late....

[Warpy]

30. Here is an interactive map

http://www.section9.co.uk/wikileaks

North Korea is described as being 2% leaky, so it's not like they've been ignored.

While it's easy to feel that the US is being specifically targeted, since we're the leakiest, it's because we've got more leakers.

Personally, I like knowing what the owners of the planet are up to and if it embarrasses any of them, oh bla di.

[drm604]

34. They've leaked documents from all over the world.

The big dumps of U.S. info all seem to be because of one individual who had clearance and access. Maybe no such individual has come forward from any other countries.

[RaleighNCDUer]

35. Have the Chinese/N Koreans/Russians/Cubans started two major

wars in the past ten years which are still on-going, not to mentions pouring billions of dollars into 2nd-tier conflicts such as Colombia, Israel/Palestine, Yemen, Somalia, Mexico?

[Spider Jerusalem]

39. Well, because the US is still the global superpower/empire?

And because Wikileaks is an English-speaking organisation? And because China, Russia, North Korea and Cuba haven't been for good or ill (and mostly for ill) directing the thrust of geopolitics for the past two decades? Which country has military personnel in more than 20 countries overseas and has actively engaged in and led two separate wars in the Middle East and Southwest Asia over the past decade? That would be...the US. Not China, or Russia, or anyone else. So you know...one can see why it's not their documents being released.

[Posteritatis]

42. Because Wikileaks is not omniscient?

Seriously, do you expect some American PFC to be leaking mountains of North Korean internal communications? It doesn't work that way.

[WinkyDink]

44. Let's see; because the U.S has illegally invaded sovereign nations in recent times?

Because dictatorships don't make any yelps about "bringing democracy" to the lands they invade?
Because the United States remains the only nation ever to use atomic/nuclear weapons agsinst another, and their civilians at that?
Because we are the world's major arms dealer, including to "rogue" nations?
Because Americans like to pretend our nation is saintly?

Your post is, frankly, absurd. "Why don't they leak the COMMIES' papers?!"

[Ozymanithrax]

45. Because so far, only the U.S. has had a massive intelligence failure of t his nature...

It is clear that the problems that led to the intelligence failure around 9/11 and Iraq and not been solved.

I assume that if he got information from these other states he would reveal it.

[AngryAmish]

49. Thugs veto

Folks at wikileaks like to be alive.

[FarCenter]

51. After the collapse of the USSR, tons of stuff was published.

However, back then there was a lot less electronic documents and stuff had to be copied or faxed. You couldn't just load a few Gig to a thumb drive.

[cbdo2007]

53. Because Wikileaks gets more donations leaking U.S. documents.

Obviously, there are many countries on Earth WORSE than we are, but we definitely make the best target in the media and to people wanting to make a buck.

[sabrina 1]

55. Is that just your opinion or can you provide something to back it up?

I just did a quick search and found nothing to substantiate that claim but I as I said, I didn't spend much time so might have missed it.

How would someone 'make a buck' by leaking to Wikileaks? Are you suggesting that whistle-blowers are paid by Wikileaks? I couldn't find anything to back that up either. As far as I know they do not pay whistle-blowers. Most whistle-blowers do what they do because they see something wrong going on and decide to expose the wrong-doing. Generally they are people who have principles, that is why there are, or were, laws to protect them.

[cbdo2007]

56. It is my opinion, but here's my analysis...

It's just like the network news, which of the two stories is going to get the bigger story and bring in more commercial revenue for the news company - a guy in your city who drives drunk, or Mel Gibson driving drunk?? Obviously, Mel Gibson driving drunk. The bigger you are the more the news media is going to try to bring you down.

Look at the U.S. and our standing in the world. It's hip and chic to hate the U.S. Even in the US itself, here on DU you've got 3/4ths of the people praising Wikileaks and their leaking documents about the U.S. Same thing as the news story above, and how many donations from people on DU and throughout the world does Wikileaks get every time they leak something new??? It isn't about the whistleblowers getting paid, they're only pawns in the game, but the Wikileaks guy is probably bringing in Millions of $$$ by capitalizing on the hatred of the U.S.

Supposedly all of the "good" information is kept in his "insurance" file that he will make the password public to after his death. Why doesn't he just make it all public now, anything he's got?? If he's holding back the good stuff, then he's doing the exact opposite of everything he's getting praised for here.

Can you at least agree that it would be more advantagous to world peace for him to release stuff about N Korea, Iran, and China?? I know we've done a shitload of horrible stuff, I'll be the first anywhere lining up to bring down Bush and Cheney for their Iraq war lies, but other countries out there are doing much, much worse.

[sabrina 1]

60. First of all, he has released stuff about other countries, including

China. It's odd that people in the U.S. don't know that. In fact much of what he released up to fairly recently WAS about other countries. It's typyically xenophobic of Americans to think everything is about THEM. He got attention HERE only after he received material about the U.S. He releases what he gets. There was no particular focus on the U.S. or anyone else. He has released a lot on Britain, on African countries, on China as I said, on Russia even on Scientology. So where is the idea coming from that Wikileaks is all about the U.S.?

Wrt to him becoming a millionaire, I'm glad you said that this is just YOUR opinion because all the actual evidence says they have very little money and most of what they get is spent on equipment and expenses. I am not even sure if any of them receive a salary. It is news to me that anyone has become wealthy from it.

Lastly, it is NOT 'hip' to 'hate the U.S.'. The U.S. has lost its standing and support around the world for very good reasons. Were you asleep during the past ten years? I know here in the U.S. we don't get to see the dead children blown to bits by our drones and bombs for no reason, but the rest of the world actually gets real news, and they DO see what we are doing to innocent people in several countries.

Maybe photos of little girls's bodies, children in understaffed hospitals with bullet wounds in their bodies, babies blown out of their mothers' wombs, women screaming in agony and/or grief when they find the dead bodies of their babies, don't bother you, or you view them simply as 'collateral damage' but I can assure you those photos enrage people around the world.

Once upon a time the symbol of the U.S. was the statue of liberty. Now it is the picture of the Iraqi man standing on a box with a black cape covering him, wired to electrodes. Here, Americans seem oblivious to the fact that this country fell into rogue state status when it was revealed that torture is POLICY here.

So to say it is 'hip' to hate the U.S. shows a real lack of awareness of the harm this country has done to innocent people and how we are now viewed around the world. Did you know that we are feared now rather than respected, because we are seen now as a threat to world peace. And for good reason.

Maybe you should spend a little time researching some of the real photo-jounalism that graphically depicts the slaughter we are guilty of in several countries over the past ten years. Maybe if you can stand to look at it, and I think all Americans who support it or try to defend it should be required to look at what they are trying to defend, you will begin to understand why the world has lost respect for this country.

If any other country was slaughtering innocent men, women and children the way we are doing every day and in such a cowardly way, WE, hypocrites that have become, would be screaming and praising anyone, like Julian Assange, who exposed it.

I really think you have not been paying close attention to what has been going over the past decade otherwise you would understand the support for Wikileaks around the world.

Someone has to stop us, we are unwilling to stop on our own, or to prosecute our own corrupt, brutal war criminals. Assange has great courage to do what he is doing. Someone had to. The French and the Germans tried to stop us, and what happened? We spit in their faces and smeared them, like spoiled, out of control children. This country needs to be reigned in before it starts another war and kills even more innocent people.

I hope there will be more whistle-blowers wherever there are war criminals in governments around the world. We need more Wikileaks, since the press is often censored in countries that are engaged in wrong-doing as ours has been.

You said it was profitable to smear the U.S. You apparently never heard of them until recently, yet they have been doing this for several years to other corrupt, brutal governments. I doubt there was much profit in it at all.

[rucky]

61. I'm sure he's rolling in dough.

:eyes:

[Citizens_United]

54. The info is mainly about the US because a US soldier (Bradley Manning).....

..... Stole the documents off of a US database and gave them to Julian Assange. I'm sure if someone from Russia, China, France or wherever had stolen documents from their own countries database and gave them to wikileaks then they would have been released also.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/how-us-embassy-cables-leaked

[L0oniX]

57. Maybe because they are not in everyone elses back yard.

[Incitatus]

58. Alexander Litvinenko nt

[sudopod]

59. They did and they do.

Its just that no one has thrust that information directly under peoples' noses yet. God forbid someone might have to type wikileaks.org into the url bar and use their search function.