We need to have an adult conversation.

[Toucano]

Is everyone else already as sick of that condescending expression as I am?

What it's actually saying is that if you disagree with the line of shit we're trying to shovel down your throat, you're not behaving like an adult.

If you don't like the ridiculous false choice between porno-radiation-scanners and groping pat down screenings, we need to have an adult conversation about security.

If you think the cat food commission forcing seniors to work until they drop is preferable to regulating the criminal enterprise that has become Wall Street, we need to have an adult conversation about "austerity".

It's already more annoying than referring to your fuck up a "teachable moment", of which I am also weary.

[NuclearDem]

1. Half of the Congressmen saying that crap need to look at their own constituents

And THEN try to tell US we need to act like adults.

[JVS]

2. We need to have an adult conversation about fucking up those bastards who took our shit!

[Toucano]

3. +100

:rofl:

That's turning the tables on 'em!

Honestly, I was really feeling irritated by this just now...probably combined with other problems...but your post brought instant relief!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. awesome!

[Poboy]

[Initech]

16. Agree x 100,000 times

[laughingliberal]

25. +1,000,000 nt

[treestar]

4. We need to have an adult conversation about how you

misstate the opinions of others.

Security is an issue. We can't ignore it totally. Wall Street is not a "criminal enterprise." If you have a job or want one you can trace that eventually to Wall Street. Geez, I don't get people sometimes. Do you think we can exist without economic activity? And that there will be no large companies? That job providing businesses can exist without investors?

Grow up.

[LeFleur1]

6. Work Until They Drop

That's the plan. Think of all that money, just for the spending.

[Greyhound]

7. And just how much crap do you seriously believe that we will swallow from the propaganda

machine you tirelessly pimp?

Wall Street is an entirely useless criminal enterprise except of course that they have successfully bought legalization for some of their crimes.

If security is an issue, which is itself highly debatable, it is so as a direct result of the actions and atrocities committed by our governments at the behest of global plunderers.

And your completely cynical and obvious attempt to conflate economic activity with the criminal actions of Wall Street is duly noted.

We are grown and see right through your bullshit.

[DJ13]

8. Wall Street is not a "criminal enterprise."

:rofl:

[Toucano]

9. Put your head a little deeper in the sand, won't you.

I hope your ass doesn't get sunburned.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. That was an excellent caricature of the kind of unctuous condescension the OP was talking about!

Um, it WAS a caricature, right?

[Hannah Bell]

14. wall street *isn't* a criminal enterprise? the fact that it gets 40% of ALL US profits tells me

it is.

40% of total profits to the finance sector. rent-seeking, protection money, speculation, fraud.

[TheKentuckian]

15. Stockholm and/or addiction to a parasite???

Wall Street is consuming the real economy, nut fueling it.

[shraby]

17. Sorry but I disagree..Wall street IS a criminal enterprise.

The mega-banks part of it defrauded others far and wide all over the world until they had all the money and everyone else was in the hole big-time.

[laughingliberal]

24. Wall Street? NOT a criminal enterprise??

:rofl:

I needed a good laugh

[TBF]

30. The adult conversation needs to include a method to silence

cheerleaders to start with, and then I propose we start by taking away the "health care" benefits of all in Congress. And they don't need to be paid either, it can be a volunteer position (they are all millionaires anyway so they should do it to "give back".

Next the casino that is wall street needs to be disbanded.

All energy companies, health care & pharmaceutical companies, and anything related to banking needs to be nationalized.

That is on day one.

We'll move on to other problems on day two.

[YOY]

31. If you're of an adult mentality by telling others to grow up and thinking Wall St. isnt crooked...

Well then...I assure you there will be no adult conversations here.

[_ed_]

32. Bullshit

"If you have a job or want one you can trace that eventually to Wall Street."

My wife and I started a small business without loans. How did we benefit from Wall Street? Are you aware that Wall Street is comprised mostly of investment banks and hedge funds WHO DO NOT LEND MONEY, THEY INVEST IT.

You must be an investment banker.

[donco6]

33. Haha! Good one treestar! "Wall Street is not a "criminal enterprise."!

They make movies about it, it's so crooked! You just crack me up. :rofl:

[saracat]

36. "Grow up" Seriously? Why do you suppose even the Admin is trying to reign in Wall Street?

The poster you responded to is NOT the one that needs to "Grow up". I suggest the movie Wall Street to you or perhaps you have heard of Bernie Maddof ot the Wall Street swindlers of the ninties, like Milliken?. Since you are so supportive of big business and believe they provide jobs, perhaps you can explain why , despite huge profits, they are still not hiring? Do you even remember Arther Anderson, Enron, Worldcom or AIG, or are they all okay by you since they ,at one time did provide jobs? And do not forget BP!

[LWolf]

43. I'm grown up.

I can tell you that "Security is an issue. We can't ignore it totally" is an immature misdirection of the point. Nobody has suggested that we "ignore it totally." There are other ways to address security without compromising the potential health, dignity, and privacy of travelers. Ignoring that is a sign of immaturity, ignorance, corrupt integrity, and/or malfeasance.

"Do you think we can exist without economic activity? And that there will be no large companies?" is an immature misdirection of the point. The existence of "large companies" is not the issue. The issue involves: 1. The need for stronger, and stringently enforced, anti-trust laws. 2. The corrupt allowance of corporate personhood and corporate influence in and on government. 3. NAFTA/CAFTA and "free" trade rather than fair trade based on labor and environmental standards.

Ignoring that is a sign of immaturity, ignorance, corrupt integrity, and/or malfeasance.

[Toucano]

49. +1 n/t

[kas125]

48. I must admire your tenacity, if nothing else. How do you do

it? Every day here you are defending the indefensible and each time many people point out how and why you're wrong, but yet you continue. It's simply astounding, you're like the Energizer Bunny, you just keep going, and going, and going...

[ProudDad]

51. "That job providing businesses can exist without investors?"

Yes. That is entirely possible...

In fact, it was the rule for most of human's 200,000+ years of development...

So, you grow up... :rofl:

[egoclothes]

53. I am grown and am glad I do not think like you do.

[K8-EEE]

10. To a person it's condescending but honestly I wish the media

Were capable of conducting an adult convo with their audiences and have more than my-10-second-soundbite / opposing 10 second soundbite on the complicated issues.

They always seem to be talking like everyone watching is 3 years old, or Republican or both.

I thought the MSNBC discussion on immigration with Lawrence O'Donnell was refreshingly adult in that it treated a complicated issue like a complicated issue not just like "the law is the law! Just enforce the laws!" and all that other Fox News shit...

[KoKo]

11. Yes...it get's tiresome. But, if you care about these issues you can't get tired

...because if you sleep..they will work and work until when you wake up....YOU HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER...BODY PARTS and SOUL OF YOUR BEING.

SO...APATHY and SLEEP are NOT ALLOWED...if you want to KEEP YOUR FREEDOMS AS AN AMERICAN!

[bluestateguy]

13. This is what I take that expression to mean

That arguments should be based upon facts and evidence, not bumper sticker slogans and talk radio shibboleths.

That there should be no demagoguery and base appeals to raw emotions and naked prejudices and fears.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. +1000

[SidDithers]

28. +1...

and terms like "porno-radiation-scanners" and "catfood comission" don't exactly bolster the attempted message in the OP.

Sid

[emulatorloo]

34. Yes - facts/evidence, and not hyperbole and appeals to the "lizard brain"

Nor childish school yard taunts.

[LWolf]

45. While I agree with those concepts, I don't connect them to

"We need to have an adult conversation." That statement means, to me, "Shut up and get in line, the change you want to see is a fantasy, and the only way to hold power is to become that which you hate."

[unkachuck]

18. K&R....n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Actually we do, but not for the reasons you think

Listening to the BBC, they were about smoking but they also went into a point I have made before...your government treats you like. Child. Why they are telling you, this is the way it is, instead of doing what adults do. Insert issue here, it does not matter. We have at least thirty years of the infantilizaton of the people...it is not a coincidence. And as far as current security is concerned, it is theate, nothing more and nothing less...treating you like a child from cradle to grave...

[Warren DeMontague]

21. I like to have my adult conversations while watching adult films.

Or, while enjoying some adult entertainment on the way to the adult bookstore.

[Warpy]

22. My big mouth always gets me in trouble

because what comes out of it is "I'd rather talk like a couple of temper tantrum throwing three year olds because that's all you've been capable of lately."

I can usually get away while they're trying to figure out how to close their mouths. One of these days they might catch me.

[hootinholler]

23. We would be able to if the people saying that were adults.

They are not, therefore they are like kids playing all growed up.

-Hoot

[Dr.Phool]

27. Goo Goo. DaDa.

Can we be any more explicit?

[laughingliberal]

26. K & R nt

[TBF]

29. These phrases must come from multi-million dollar ad agencies -

the last one was "it is what it is" which was used to excuse just about anything.

[emulatorloo]

35. "It is what it is" mostly came out of Sports

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2004-12-27-cliche-of-year_x.htm

'It is what it is'
By Gary Mihoces, USA TODAY

The Sports Quote of 2004 is a simple, five-word line used by many athletes and coaches to sum up troubles of all sorts and send an instant message that it's time to move on:
"It is what it is."

The phrase is not new. Although the origin is uncertain, it has been around for years.

For three seasons as coach of the NFL's Carolina Panthers, John Fox has made it the favorite among his many short, sweet, motivational sayings. He's hardly alone.

In 2004, in a sports world full of complexities, "It is what it is" has joined the ranks of familiar sports clichés such as, "We're playing them one at a time" and "There is no tomorrow."

"It is what it is" has become the all-purpose alternative to the long-winded explanation.

What better way to sum up the November spat between the NBA's Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons that led to a brawl between Detroit players and Indiana fans in the stands? "Obviously, you never want to see something like that happen, but it is what it is," Pacers guard Reggie Miller said.

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[postatomic]

37. I believe you need to be an adult to have an adult conversation

And think.

Why do you think it's condescending? You can "converse" any way you want. Your choice of words and phrases is definitely colorful and reactionary. I don't have a problem with that. You've just decided to limit the level of thinking in your conversations and limit the size of your conversing audience.

Being pissed about something brings out the best and worst in people. Just sayin'.

[TBF]

38. How so? By refusing to buy into the media (and administration's ) phrase of the day? nt

[postatomic]

44. Read my other words

You are refusing to accept the propaganda being used. That's not a conversation. I can refuse to accept the 'phrase of the day' and still have an adult conversation about it.

[TBF]

46. I read your entire post - why would you think I hadn't? nt

[postatomic]

50. I didn't want to repeat myself.

I meant my other response. Not my original words.

[Toucano]

39. Weasel words are not "adult conversation"

It's condescending because it's only invoked when the powerful and influential attempt to silence those of us who won't call torture, "enhanced interrogation"; kidnapping, "extraordinary rendition"; sexual assault, "enhanced pat down"; wealth-concentrating tax cuts, "stimulus".



The cowards are the ones who won't say "shit" if they have a mouthful.

The so-called adults call for a bipartisan study to evaluate the fecund contents of the mouths.

[postatomic]

42. There is no basis for a conversation there

What you are describing is propaganda-ish. It's like I believe we're in a Depression but those that dictate the words and phrases to be used call it a "Slow Recovery". We're on the same page regarding words and phrases that are used to deflect from the actual event, action, etc.

But that's not a conversation. It's one-sided.

[LWolf]

40. I hear you. nt

[Starry Messenger]

41. I almost didn't open this thread

I thought it was one of *those* threads that actually used this phrase seriously. Good OP. :thumbsup:

The implication that those of us who object to having events shoved down our gullets are spoiled little children that need to listen to adults is one of the worst forms of paternalism. It keeps cropping up in new forms every year.

[TBF]

47. I've notice that the "adults" talking about the austerity measures are all millionaires.

The guardians of the wealthy who buy into it need to take a hard look at their lives and think about whether they are really an owner or a worker.

[Starry Messenger]

54. The rich just view their defenders as useful idiots.

If the third columnists who throw themselves in front of the wealthy as praetorian guards think they are getting anything more than a kick on the ass for their troubles, they are in deep denial.

[earth mom]

52. Totally agree. I hate the holier than thou, smarter than you attitude from manipulative lying

bastards who will say anything to get what they want! :grr:

[w8liftinglady]

55. lol..unfortunately,I used the term when writing my latest editorial...

(another DU link)

Please forgive me...