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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:30 PM
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Israeli air security experts insist their methods better than U.S.
By Janine Zacharia
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, November 26, 2010; 1:16 PM
JERUSALEM - Israel has long held the reputation as home to the world's most stringent airport-security procedures. But most passengers aren't frisked, there are no intimately revealing body-imaging scanners, and security experts dismiss as misguided the new, more intrusive American approach that requires pat-downs or highly detailed scans of every passenger.

"Taking the bottle of water from the 87-year old-woman at JFK, you will never find an explosive material that is coming from Bin Laden,'' said Shlomo Harnoy, head of the Sdema Group, an Israeli security consultancy that advises airports abroad. "You are concentrating on the wrong thing.''

Israel's approach allows most travelers to pass through airport security with relative ease. But Israeli personnel do single out small numbers of passengers for extensive searches and screening, based on profiling methods that have so far been rejected in the United States, subjecting Arabs and, in some cases, other foreign nationals to an extensive screening that comes with a steep civil liberties price.

"I know personally of people who came to Israel for a conference and were asked if they had met an Arab. After that, they were stripped and their laptop was confiscated,'' said Ariel Merari, a terrorism expert at Tel Aviv University who has researched aviation security. "There is a lot to be improved in this approach towards innocent, foreign citizens. Also, the attitude towards Israeli Arabs has to be reevaluated. The profiling system is good. But it has to be done with more sensitivity.''

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:33 PM
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1. Automatic Rec for quoting a man named Schlomo
:kick:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:33 PM
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2. Huge irony
Since the scanner objection is based on civil liberties.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:38 PM
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4. Isn't it? I guess as long as you strip search only folks who
don't meet your racial, ethnic, or religious standards, it's just fine. That's what they do in Israel.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:48 PM
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7. Bullshit.
Israel does psychographic and behavioral profiling - not racial profiling.

Don't let these facts get in the way of your bs.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:43 PM
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11. Yes they do racial profiling
The OP link describes it. It is not just the traveler, but their friends!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 06:53 PM
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14. No, it is not bullshit. It's clearly accurate. See the links.
You see, I checked. That's how I know it's not bullshit.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:37 PM
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3. Here's a thread that links to an account from a traveler
regarding Israeli security. Just what we need here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:41 PM
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5. Don't you mean
"just what we have here now"
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:44 PM
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6. No. I say exactly what I mean. You needn't try to put words in
my mouth. I'm quite articulate and careful about what I post.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 01:52 PM
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8. Well... the guy's problem in the story was with something very similar to what we have now
except here it happens at "random" instead of just when it fits a threat pattern. Do you find that preferable?
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:06 PM
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9. True, but the El Al model would never fly here (pun intended)
El Al is heavily subsidized--forgot any new money, any time in the next 2 years, coming outta Congress.

El Al puts armed security on all flights. That will never happen in the US. It's not a case of political will. It's a case of logistics. If I'm reading the Bureau of Transportation Statistics info correctly, between September 2009 and August 2010, there were 8,780,028 passenger flight departures, or an average of 24,054 departures per day.

On average, Federal Air Marshals fly 181 days per year, fly 15 days per month, spend 900 hours in an aircraft per year, and spend five hours in an aircraft per day.

To put two FAMs (and they work in pairs) on each and every flight would require a massive increase in hiring of qualified personnel. Some have speculated it would require a Federal Air Marshal Service the size of the U.S. Marine Corps. We don't know the actual size of the Federal Air Marshal Service, but it's certainly much smaller than the Marines. However, given the many controversies associated with the Federal Air Marshal Service--an innocent man killed, violation of WPA, criminal convictions of FAMs for serious offenses, average $200 million per arrest--do we really want to grow the Federal Air Marshal Service?

http://www.bts.gov/xml/air_traffic/src/index.xml#Custom...

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/people/index.shtm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Air_Marshal_Servic...
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:47 PM
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12. Great. Train our returning forces to be Federal Air Marshalls.
Much better than the choice or radiation or genital gropings here in the US.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 03:16 PM
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13. To be clear, I'm not a fan of FAMs on every flight ...
... mostly because it would mean putting young folks with recent combat experience into the role of law enforcement. The two are not the same.

However, FAM standards would not allow it. FAMs must have 5 years of existing LE experience. I know because I looked into the FAM program circa 2003.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-10 02:10 PM
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10. For all 50 flights a day in/out of Ben Gurion /nt
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