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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:37 AM
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The Michael Vick dogs - then and now
Just for a minute, let's revisit what the authorities found when they raided Michael Vick's compound

From a 2008 article in Sports Illustrated:

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A few of the dogs, probably pets, were kept in one of the sheds. The fighters and a handful of dogs that Bad Newz housed for other people lived in the outdoor kennels. The rest -- dogs that were too young to fight, were used for breeding or were kept as bait dogs for the fighters to practice on -- were chained to the car axles in the woods.

The water in the bowls was speckled with algae. Females were strapped into a "rape stand" so the dogs could breed without injuring each other. Some of the sheds held syringes and other medical supplies, and training equipment such as treadmills and spring bars (from which dogs hung, teeth clamped on rubber rings, to strengthen their jaws). The biggest shed had a fighting pit, once covered by a bloodstained carpet that was found in the woods.

According to court documents, from time to time Vick and his cohorts "rolled" the dogs: put them in the pit for short battles to see which ones had the right stuff. Those that fought got affection, food, vitamins and training sessions. The ones that showed no taste for blood were killed -- by gunshot, electrocution, drowning, hanging or, in at least one case, being repeatedly slammed against the ground.

It's impossible to say what Jasmine saw while circling the axles deep in the woods, but dogs can hear a tick yawn at 50 yards. The sounds of the fights and the executions undoubtedly filtered through the trees. "Multiple studies have shown that if you take two mammals, say rats, and put them in boxes side by side, then give the first one electric shocks, the reaction of the second one -- in terms of brain-wave and nervous-system activity -- will be identical," says Stephen Zawistowski, a certified applied animal behaviorist and an executive vice president of the ASPCA. "The trauma isn't limited to the animal that's experiencing the pain."

In a sense, then, whatever atrocities any of the dogs suffered at 1915 Moonlight Road, all of them suffered. ....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vi...
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What to do about the dogs?

While the ASPCA and PETA recommended euthanizing all 51 of Michael Vick's dogs, all the dogs were individually evaluated. Two died while in the shelters during then 4 montoh period before the evaluations began; one was destroyed because it was too violent; and another was euthanized for medical reasons. Twenty-two dogs went to Best Friends dog resuce in Utah, 10 went to "Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pit Bulls" (BADRAP). The other 15 went to other dog resuces around the country or were adopted.

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What the evaluators found
It didn't help that the assessors had no idea what to expect. Besides their time at Bad Newz, the dogs had spent four months locked up in shelters with minimal attention. That alone could push many dogs over the brink. "I thought, If we can save three or four, it will be fantastic," Reynolds says.

Adds Racer, "We had been told these were the most vicious dogs in America."

So what they found in the pens caught them off guard. "Some of them were just big goofy dogs you'd find in any shelter," says Zawistowski. No more than a dozen were seasoned fighters, and few showed a desire to harm anything.

"We were surprised at how little aggression there was," says Reynolds. Many of the dogs had all but shut down. They cowered in the corners of their kennels or stood hunched with their heads lowered, their tails between their legs and their feet shifting nervously. Some didn't want to come out. As far as they knew bad things happened when people came. Bad things happened when they were led out of their cages.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vi...

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Where are they now?
Some of the dogs have been successfully adopted out and have become loving and beloved family members. 1 is now a therapy dog. Here's an article about what's become of a few of them
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/20/earlyshow/con...

And here's a story about how some of the others who were rescured by the "Bay Area Doglovers Responsible About Pit Bulls) are doing now
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/09/20/earlyshow/con...

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"Best Friends Animal Society" rescued 22 of Michael Vick's dogs. I saw the show on this a couple years ago. They drove all the way from their sanctuary in Utah to Vick's compound in Virginia to pick up almost half of them

Here's what they have to say about him

http://blogs.bestfriends.org/index.php/2010/11/18/micha... /
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From what we at Best Friends know of the way Michael Vick has related to the animals he abused, the answer is clearly that he has simply rediscovered the pocket. Best Friends took 22 of Vicks 48 seized dogs and the only contact weve received from Vick or his representatives was by way of some overtures from his agent, one of his attorneys and a PR firm specializing in reputation rehabilitation. They were interested in some public glad handing that would put Vick in a favorable light with the NFL, which at the time was still considering whether or not to reinstate him. We declined.

Best Friends has never heard from Michael Vick or any of his representatives inquiring after the health or well being of any of the 22 dogs that we received from his fighting ring.

According to the law, Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. Many would argue though that being free to get on with his life is one thing. Being welcomed into the highly privileged ranks of the NFL is quite another and warrants a much higher threshold of qualification. Plaschke again:

a large percentage of the population will still think Michael Vick is a sociopath. Many people will never get over Vicks own admissions of unthinkable cruelty to his pit bulls the strangling, the drowning, the electrocutions, the removal of all the teeth of female dogs who would fight back during mating.

Obviously not a sufficiently large enough percentage of the population feels that way to deter the NFL from allowing someone on the field who many do believe is a sociopath ex-convict as long as he can fill the seats. They wouldnt do it if they didnt know they could get away with it.

Despite the fact that America is routinely described as a nation of animal lovers, concern for the lives and well being of those animals doesnt yet compete with the desire to be entertained. Thats a problem.
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Michael Vick's guilty plea and fines

"On Aug. 23, 2007, Vick appeared in U.S. District Court in Richmond, and Judge Hudson accepted a plea agreement in which the former quarterback admitted that he had been involved in dogfighting and had personally participated in killing animals. The agreement required him to pay $928,000 for the care and treatment of the dogs, including any humane destruction deemed necessary.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vi... "

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Jim Gorant, author of the 2008 Sports Illustrated article, has recently released a book about Michael Vick's dogs titled "The Lost Dogs: Michael Vick's Dogs and Their Tale of Rescue and Redemption". For more info, see
http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Dogs-Michael-Rescue-Redempti...

Here's an interview with Jim Gorant about his book, Michael Vick and the dogs with new pictures of 6 of the dogs
http://www.pawnation.com/2010/09/17/what-happened-to-mi... /







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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:53 AM
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1. Thanks for this. K&R.
And what kind of scum would unrec this?

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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:53 AM
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2. well..........
fuck Michael Vick.....
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 07:45 AM
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5. Seconded.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 07:58 AM
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6. +1 and we're being 1000 times nicer to him than he was to these dogs
:grr:
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:56 PM
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7. You're so right!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:40 AM
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3. He should have gotten life.
"the only contact weve received from Vick or his representatives was by way of some overtures from his agent, one of his attorneys and a PR firm specializing in reputation rehabilitation. They were interested in some public glad handing that would put Vick in a favorable light with the NFL, which at the time was still considering whether or not to reinstate him."

Fuck him.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:55 PM
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13. "Best Friends has never heard from Michael Vick or any of his representatives...
inquiring after the health or well being of any of the 22 dogs that we received from his fighting ring."

Yeah, he sure sounds contrite and rehabilitated.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:15 AM
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4. You know, there is a large factory hiring around this area
They are pretty good paying jobs and a lot of people have and will apply for said jobs. Not all will get hired though in part because the company runs background checks on people they are interested in. Michael Vick would not get hired for any of these jobs because of his criminal background. Yes, I believe that people can be rehabbed, yes I believe that people deserve a second chance. But if Vick couldn't get on at a manufacturing plant because of his heinous acts, why is he in the NFL?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:10 PM
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8. Thank you. I hope his conscience tortures him to madness one day. n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 03:11 PM by Catherina
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:15 PM
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9. I think you're mistakenly assuming he has one.
The man is a textbook sociopath.
:kick:

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:26 PM
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10. I know. That hit me right as I was hitting post but my wish stands
I'd like to see all tormenters of women, children, the elderly, animals and all defenseless victims rot in agony.

That kind of person can't be rehabilitated. Fuck them. Throw away the key.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 03:28 PM
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11. "including any humane destruction"...what amazes me was back then the ESPN talking heads
were all about how awful it was that he was gambling...fuckheads didn't give a shit about the dogs.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:53 PM
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12. What really stands out to me about those defending Vick is this:
How many of them would be defending him so vehemently if he weren't winning games? And even further, how many would defend a guy fresh out of jail looking to rehabilitate his life if he were just a regular joe asking them for a job?
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:06 PM
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14. The abuse was horrible but the "rape stand" description sounds a little over the top.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-10 11:06 PM by antigone382
I used to work at a stud farm in exchange for riding lessons. There was a bare-bones, outdoor stall constructed next to the barn, where a receptive mare would be lead prior to breeding. It was a very common feature at horse breeding facilities which protected the mare, the stallion, and the handlers from injury if the mare panicked (which they usually don't). You don't force a stallion on a mare that isn't "ready," because most likely she won't conceive, which defeats the whole purpose. Nevertheless, the hormones and the tensions sometimes run high, and it's better to have the mare secured so that she can't harm herself or others. I don't really think you can apply the concept of rape to dogs or horses, for whom sex is pretty much just a biological act that doesn't have the emotional or social meanings it has for humans and maybe primates.

Having said that, everything else in the article was horrific and puts things into needed perspective regarding Mr. Vick.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:38 PM
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15. Our society's willingness
to overlook atrocities in people who will make us rich or make our side win or entertain us has always pissed me off. Of course most of the people who give them the jobs are often as criminal and lacking in morals as the criminals they hire.
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