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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:02 PM
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Breaking on Rachel - Three GOP Senators signal
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 09:05 PM by malaise
that they will vote to repeal DADT. Lieberman announced that Lugar and Collins will vote for the repeal and Murkowski is the 3rd. Take that Sarah Palin!

add., gr.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:04 PM
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1. When will this be up for a vote - do we know? Thanks!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:06 PM
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2. Soon and very soon
Edited on Thu Nov-18-10 09:08 PM by malaise
Should be done by Christmas

Holy Shite - Report says Ensign will vote to repeal as well

add
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:08 PM
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4. oh thank god. what a great christmas present!
I'm just sad that it took so LONG...how many lives have been blighted by this policy! PLUS, how much damage has been done to our national security?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:12 PM
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11. Don't get too happy about it yet 'till the vote is final. I've been up and down
emotionally so much anymore I feel like I'm on a perpetual roller coaster about all of the stuff anymore.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:29 PM
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27. I hear you...I am constantly amazed that this hasn't just happened already.
We have to fight tooth and nail...it's the only way...
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:25 PM
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23. Ensign? Boy, what's up with that? It can't come soon enough, and I'd take
votes from ANYBODY on this one! Godspeed! :patriot:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:07 PM
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3. Good,
don't count eggs, but we are having good movement.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:08 PM
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5. So whatever "deal" that was arranged months ago truly existed and hasn't fallen
apart. I was afraid the Dems were being played.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:10 PM
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9. Looks like this will pass with ease
I love Murkowski's decision best. Fuck Palin. :evilgrin:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:08 PM
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6. k/r
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:10 PM
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7. John Ensign voting "Yes"? Are you fucking kidding?
L. O'Donnell's statement on Rachel's show right now, for those looking for an explanation!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:12 PM
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12. Looks like a done deal
Ensign knows ReTHUGS are going to drop him anyway.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:10 PM
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8. This Lugar seems to be a reasonable fellow.
A conservative that we can work with.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:14 PM
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15. He and Obama worked on the loose nukes issue in the Senate along with Kerry
He's very angry about what the republicans are doing with the SALT, too.

So I wonder if he's now sticking it to his caucus because of their bad behavior on the SALT.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:21 PM
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21. Lugar's a good guy
I'm from Indiana, and I'm actually proud to vote for him every opportunity I can. He's one of the few elder statesmen left who can keep a reasonable head about him and is still looking out for the people. :)
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:53 PM
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34. I remember when they were trying to pass the Chemical...
...Weapons Convention during the Clinton administration. Jesse Helms was chairing the Senate Foreign Relations Committee at the time, but I wrote to Lugar to about the issue. I had a reply within 48 hours, and I'm not even a Hoosier.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:54 PM
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45. I live in Indiana and am very involved in the peace movement.
Lugar has always responded to letters or emails, his staff is always available, he makes himself accessible when we ask for meetings, etc. He might not always agree with us, but he listens and acknowledges that we exist. Bayh, on the other hand is just the opposite. He never responds to letters, his voice mail is always filled, it took three years of begging and finally one of us getting arrested for refusing to leave his office before he'd agree to meet with us. Then he lied at the meeting, promising to return in six months and avoided answering questions while he was there. So, in my opinion, Lugar's been a lot better senator than Bayh is/was.
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:49 PM
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41. I'm from Indiana, too. And while I've never actually voted for
Lugar, there have been times that I was proud of things he did. This is one of those times. I can't say the same about our Democratic Senator, unfortunately.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:11 PM
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10. I've never seen Lawrence O'Donnell so positive about the process
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:18 PM
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18. That's a great sign. He tends to be pretty conservative with putting his word behind something like
this. A positive signal from him makes me feel like this may really happen!

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:28 PM
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26. Yes, That Seemed Real... But, But, But... Can It REALLY Be True? n/t
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:13 PM
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13. Will Snowe, Voinovich and Brown also vote for repeal? What about Lemieux?
Have Pryor and Lincoln decided to vote Yes now?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 09:14 AM
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50. I think Kirk will vote for repeal as well
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:13 PM
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14. And if this actually happens, will
all those who were screaming that a lame duck Congress would never do it swallow their pride and admit they were wrong?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:20 PM
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20. Obama still sucks - too slow, too .... something. No credit. We've seen this show before & we know
how it ends.

Lt Choi can go on a rant about how Obama is the WORST President EVAH! (that includes Bush, Reagan, etc.) as President Obama signs the repeal.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:38 PM
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31. Watch and learn
What you have been seeing is called activism. When a goal gets reached, there are plenty of songs of praise to go around, just not until then. I think it is rude to attempt to portray Dan Choi as preparing to say that which he has never said at all during his courageous part in this long battle. What a really vile thing to do to a good man.
I do understand that most straight Democrats have no idea how to get an issue moved along, and would never wish to muddy their political trouser cuffs to actually DO something, so it is hard for you all to digest what you see and hear. But note that a great victory is about to be ours, and I absolutely no one gives a fuck about who gets the credit in DC. The actual credit goes to each and every one of the discharged volunteers that suffered under this farce of a law which flowed from the heterosexualist culture.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:45 PM
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33. He's been on a rant calling Obama the worst POTUS ever. Have you actually not seen that yet?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:27 PM
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24. I'll be too busy celebrating to notice or care.
My God, I can't wait to see The Daily Show mocking Fox's coverage of this, because you know the spin against this is going to be frenetic.
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:34 PM
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30. I think your post
may be a turd in the punch bowl. :shrug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:54 PM
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46. I will be quite glad to have been wrong
I still won't believe it until I see it but I really hope to have been wrong to have been as pessimistic as I have been. I do have to say that I don't see how Burris will be voting if it takes until Christmas as he loses his seat the second Kirk is certified so I think we are right at 60 only if Manchin actually votes for repeal which he had previously said he wouldn't do.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 09:08 AM
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49. I will gladly admit I was wrong. What if it doesn't get passed? What will you say?
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LawnLover Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 10:50 AM
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51. I will join everyone else in condemning Congress and Obama
for not getting it done. Failure is inexcusable.
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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 03:37 PM
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53. Ok, good to hear. I hope I am the one that gets to admit wrong. Fingers crossed
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:14 PM
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16. And Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) is a probable 'yes' too. n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:17 PM
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17. K&R.
Once the number is over 60, the bigots will have to decide how history will remember them.

For those who forget, George H.W. Bush voted against the Civil Rights Act in 1964. I don't care if President Obama gilds his corpse when he dies, he voted against the Civil Rights Act. That's his legacy.
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:20 PM
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19. I just cried
Tears of joy! It might actually happen this time! :woohoo:
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:24 PM
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22. THEY SKY IS FALLING...I Saw Spinefullness! SHE Said It... Rachel She Did!
Please let it continue, I can't believe I really saw what I just saw on my TeeVee! Democrats seem to be growing some SPINE. Is this a joke? Is it a hot air balloon being floated?

ONLY time will tell, but what I just heard made me feel GOOD, REALLY! But, I'm NOT going to hold my breath! Too hard to compute right now... AFTER ALL THIS TIME!

Tick, Tick, Tick!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:28 PM
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25. So, which Republican idiot senator will filibuster first? My money's on Jim DeMint.
James Inhofe to place, Jon Kyl to show.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:31 PM
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28. I'm Just SHOCKED To Hear Them Say Ensign Considering! Are We
being set up? My mind is just running fast and wild! But O'Donnell was saying MORE than 60 votes, more will sign on! Weird all of a sudden.

Over & out!
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:32 PM
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29. John McCain
will continue bad mouthing the repeal - but we have the votes now so it doesn't matter what he says.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:52 PM
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43. Lieberman's close friend, McCain.
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KeyserSoze87 Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 09:41 PM
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32. OH MY FUCKING GOD, YES!
This is the best thing I've heard all day.

Sarah Failin, John Bonehead, Mitch Turtleface, et al., GO FUCK YOURSELF!
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 10:21 PM
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35. If Collins signs on, perhaps she can convince Snowe to sign on, too, for leverage.
Also, looks like Voinovich (sp?) could be persuaded since he's retiring.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:00 PM
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36. I'll keep my fingers crossed until it really passes! Better late than never!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:05 PM
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37. .
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:14 PM
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38. Is this what they're talking about?
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/18/13-senate-democrats-express-confidence-on-votes-to-repeal-dont-ask-dont-tell/?ref=politics

Sounds promising, but we'll have to see what happens. Remember Snowe made up some procedural excuse to scuttle repeal in September, too. Maybe now that the Republicans have won the midterms, they'll let things pass?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:53 PM
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44. Never. They will stop everything.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:29 PM
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39. I doubt if Murkowski will vote it.
She doesn't care what anyone thinks of her now.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:31 PM
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40. I'll believe it when I believe it
Seems like not too long ago there was similar talk about the Senate passing a public option of some sort before that all went to Hell.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:50 PM
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42. Don't trust Collins, she will back out. (Don't trust Lieberman either). He is McCain's
sidekick and McCain controls him.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:55 PM
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48. on gay issues Lieberman has had an excellent record
I do trust him on these issues.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-10 11:55 PM
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47. We need 60.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 10:53 AM
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52. There will be more as well
There will enbd up being at least eight Republican Senators join with Democrats and pass the Defense reauthorization bill as written including a ban on DADT.. That way no single Republican can be blamed for giving the Democrats a victory...There are at least eight that happen to agree it should be done away with so I believe this is a done deal..
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-10 07:33 PM
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54. Great! ...and do it this year...
or who knows what the opposition will pull out of their arses. I can't believe this issue is something people still "debate".
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