Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Republican power is in control of the message

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:09 PM
Original message
The Republican power is in control of the message
Extending the Booshe tax cuts is a compromise? As KO just said, it's charades.


They have mastered the message. Frankie Luntz is better at swaying opinion than ANYONE we've ever had.


And the Obama Administration has NOTHING to fight them with.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. When Obama, himself, blames his "failure" on "not being bi-partisan enough" I have to wonder...
...what the fuck is he A) Thinking or B) Playing at.

Republicans do have a strong message machine but their good Offense just draws more attention to our shitty Defense, IMO.

PB
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Depends on the definition of is is. He NEVER says he needs to give in more.
Just that not bewing more bipartisan is his failure. And handily, it steals the message from them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
de novo Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:17 PM
Response to Original message
2. It's almost as if they don't want to own the frame.
It's almost as if they just want an excuse for failing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yes we do
but we lack the will...

There is a certain professor who talked about messaging and why it matters.

He's been ignored at every turn.

These people are NOT idiots... so the other alternative is, this is on purpose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Well, Lakoff is sane and rational
as opposed to sociopath Luntz.

Every progressive should read "Moral Politics" by Lakoff.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. I disagree that Luntz is a sociopath
he is a linguist willing to use his knowledge for his cause... and unlike our side, they understood the mine of knowledge they had and have used it. He is a fountain of knowledge. But our side refuses to use the knowledge.

As to Lakoff, Moral Politics is in well trodden terrain... and yes should be a required readying. You want a more ahem interesting version of these theories? Moral Sentiments by Smith. yes that Adam Smith.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Upon dictionary check, I stand by the assertion.
Sociopath: a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

There is no question in my mind that Luntz lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Well we agree to disagree
I prefer not to make the other side "the other."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. I agree, but sometimes I think they are TOO smart, and they forget human nature
There is NO WAY this guy is smart enough to create the message the Pukes are puking.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. Luntz is brilliant in his knowledge of linguistics
He also does something straight out of marketing... before they release anything they use focus groups to refine it.

Our side still thinks doing this is beneath us. Well they have been doing this effectively for close to thirty years, but we cannot be bothered?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. that has been my conclusion. they can't be that stupid or inept. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 18th 2014, 09:36 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC