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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:24 PM
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Digby On the TSA Airline Security Incident & Submission To Authority
Edited on Sun Nov-14-10 04:28 PM by Hissyspit
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/kafka-on-wings.h...

Kafka On Wings

by digby

Just read this story of Orwellian airport hell and then think about how many of our basic notions of freedom we've given up in the name of "Homeland Security" in the past few years. Then think about the fact that we are spending billions of dollars in this so-called era of austerity on bullshit like this, with layer upon layer of supervisors and officers and supervisory officers basically performing security theater for no good reason.

These routine insults, humiliations and suspensions of human dignity are training us to submit to the police state. I noticed this morning that in all the blathering about tax cuts and deficits, not one person brought up Homeland Security. That bloated budget is going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and if you build it they will use it. And the results of that are obvious.

The incident to which she refers: http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-too...

At this point, I thought it was all over. I began to make my way to the stairs to exit the airport, when I was approached by another man in slacks and a sport coat. He was accompanied by the officer that had escorted me to the ticketing area and Mr. Silva. He informed me that I could not leave the airport. He said that once I start the screening in the secure area, I could not leave until it was completed. Having left the area, he stated, I would be subject to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine. I asked him if he was also going to fine the 6 TSA agents and the local police officer who escorted me from the secure area. After all, I did exactly what I was told. He said that they didn't know the rules, and that he would deal with them later. They would not be subject to civil penalties. I then pointed to Mr. Silva and asked if he would be subject to any penalties. He is the agents' supervisor, and he directed them to escort me out. The man informed me that Mr. Silva was new and he would not be subject to penalties, either. He again asserted the necessity that I return to the screening area. When I asked why, he explained that I may have an incendiary device and whether or not that was true needed to be determined. I told him that I would submit to a walk through the metal detector, but that was it; I would not be groped. He told me that their procedures are on their website, and therefore, I was fully informed before I entered the airport; I had implicitly agreed to whatever screening they deemed appropriate. I told him that San Diego was not listed on the TSA's website as an airport using Advanced Imaging Technology, and I believed that I would only be subject to the metal detector. He replied that he was not a webmaster, and I asked then why he was referring me to the TSA's website if he didn't know anything about it. I again refused to re-enter the screening area.


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Flier Patience Wears Thin at Checkpoints
By SUSAN STELLIN
Published: November 8, 2010

As the Transportation Security Administration scrambles to address vulnerabilities in procedures for screening cargo, it is facing growing criticism from travel industry groups over the escalating security measures for passengers.

In recent weeks, representatives from the International Air Transport Association, the U.S. Travel Association, the Allied Pilots Association and British Airways have criticized the T.S.A., saying it adds intrusive and time-consuming layers of scrutiny at airport checkpoints, without effectively addressing legitimate security concerns.

The U.S. Travel Association, in fact, is worried that the more onerous screening process will discourage air travel.

The system is broken, its extremely flawed and its absurd that we all sit back and say we cant do anything about it, said Geoff Freeman, executive vice president of the association. The group has convened a panel of transportation leaders to recommend a better way to balance security with a more efficient and honed screening process.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:49 PM
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1. 'Kafka on wings': a good analogy n/t
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:51 PM
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2. Good for him!
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 04:51 PM
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3. I have felt for some time that we are being conditioned.
To accept the police state....when you see swat teams raid a barbershop you know it is not just ignorance.
Even now we all know the drill....if someone in swat garb busts your door down you know you are supposed to get down on the floor and submit....this is the new normal.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:03 PM
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4. I have just reported all of you complainers to the TSA.
You better hide your underwear and shoe bombs, your box-cutters, your poisonous deodorant and explosive toothpaste, your Bic lighters and your concealed weapons before they knock on your door.

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:08 PM
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13. More likely kick the door down.
That is much more stimulating.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 06:21 PM
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11. zeemike
For some, the police state is already here. Before I left NC for good, I was stopped for road checks repeatedly. Had to show driver's license and vehicle registration. But , they could search my car. This was in neighborhoods , roads and highways.

Once , in Apex NC, I was asked why I was there because I lived in the Appalachian Mts. I told the policeman that I was visiting my son. Then he wanted to know where my son lived.I moved to Maine. The one attempt at a similar roadblock up here that I know of ....the police were surrounded by outraged citizens and given a stern talk about their rights. The police left.

"They" will only dish out as much as we allow them to.

Unfortunately , the border patrol is now doing road blocks. ..way down in Maine. So, it may be coming here too. This is federal, not Maine politics.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 09:04 PM
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12. Oh you can see it everywhere.
Not that I have been stopped or anything but I get it from the TV....Swat teams are shown all the time as if they want us to be used to them.
And it will take people getting fed up to chang that.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 05:41 AM
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16. It's weird, I never got pulled over till I moved to Michigan from NC.
Pulled over several times, car emptied once... I wrote it off as having an out of state tag.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:07 PM
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5. Preparing the Sheeple for the cullings.
We really are so pathetic, it's sad.
:cry:
:kick: & R

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:08 PM
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7. leave my out of it i am not playing the game. i cannot believe people are willing to be treated so
disrespectfully. and defend it
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:19 PM
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9. It is unbelievable, isn't it?
I can only surmise that most of us are either craven or simply sleepwalking through their lives.


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localroger Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:53 PM
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10. That's what we get for pretending the danger's not real
Damn, I never MP3'd this album.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:08 PM
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6. so, the very industry says they are a mess as we get lectured from duers how all is good.
that is funny

i like what this guy did.

i like people revolting.... finally

i like the other players in industry finally speaking up

there is hope
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-10 09:40 AM
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17. My sig line:
If they give you ruled paper, write the other way.

Question authority. Never meekly submit. As Paddy Chayefsky famously wrote in his screenplay for Network:" I'm a human being goddamnit.......I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore."
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 05:09 PM
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8. Discouraging air travel is not something that MIGHT happen in
the future. It already HAS happened, and it is only getting worse.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:11 PM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:11 PM
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14. .
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-10 11:27 PM
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15. Rec'd. America Police State. n/t
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