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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:28 PM
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How F#cking Hard is it to Frame the Debate? Seriously!
McConnell and the repugs don't want to extend unemployment benefits unless it's paid for, but will give away trillions in tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires that AREN'T PAID FOR!

If Dems can't win THIS motherfucking debate, they really are worthless pieces of shit.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:30 PM
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1. Hey! Who you calling 'they'? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:32 PM
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2. GOP found it hard, so they bought control of broadcast media in the 80s and 90s.
And the Dems CANNOT play catch up now because no way will GOP sell off any of that gold egg laying goose.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:34 PM
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4. Excellent point!!! VERY excellent point!!! n/t
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:32 PM
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3. The messaging by the democrats is deplorable. They just don't know how
to frame a message/debate. One would think there would be tremendous resources available. I just don't get it... Often I think WTF did they say that for or why didn't they frame it this way. It's absolutely amazing.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:37 PM
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9. 'Often I think WTF did they say that for...
or why didn't they frame it this way. It's absolutely amazing."

THAT, my friend, is something I experience daily. Sometimes it leaves me yelling at the TV machine the questions that should have been asked or making the statements that should have been made and. Followed shortly thereafter by an exasperated sigh and shaking of the head.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:53 PM
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20. Yeah, I sure know that feeling! n/t
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:01 PM
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16. They're good at alienating progressives
i.e. Rahm: "f'ing re&%^ded"

and

Gibbs: "Professional Left"

don't do much to help the cause. Then there are the policies - failure to prosecute or even investigate war crimes, failure to repeal DADT and the appeal of the stay, attack on public education, supporting Wall St, not Main St., continuation of the fucking wars, supporting nations that have child soldiers, etc.

Messaging? Who can hear anything over the noise?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:50 PM
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19. Yep, I can't believe they attacked their own party. While they might not agree with
progressives, there is absolutely no reason to attack your own party, the people that voted for you. It even defies the meaning of ignorant and stupid to be descriptive enough of their actions.

They should be doing everything possible to unite the party. I know people around here that voted democratic went out of their minds over that and they are moderates, in fact right of moderates, and they were PO'ed at their comments. Maybe it appeased the RW, but that sure got them a lot of votes on 11/2 from the RW.

Just another WTF moment.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:34 PM
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5. Here it is ... ready?
Democrats represent the working class and those less fortunate, Republicans represent elites and corporations. It's really quite simple. Too bad our reps don't have a consistent talking point.

"Republicans can't complain about the deficit and later say that we should extend tax cuts to millionaires."
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:39 PM
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10. That's good.
Right to the point.

They would counter, as O'Reilly did on Maher, that our side is advocating "wealth redistribution." Maher's point that it's patriotic to pay to support your country was an effective counter, and would make a good slogan. Both these guys are good at framing.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:41 PM
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11. And they're advocating responsibility redistribution.
Here's another - "Republicans want our children to pay the taxes for millionaires."
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:34 PM
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6. This week we got a lesson about who controls the media
So while I agree that we surely can come up with great messaging I know that the message isn't always widely disseminated.

But I keep hope alive because I was a teen and young adult in the 1960s when tv was limited, we had no internet or copy machines and we relied a lot on person to person communication and mimeograph machines to get the word out.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:37 PM
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8. We need to go back to that
it is called an alternate press
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:36 PM
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7. Republicans love corporations
It is not in their blood in DC, would be like unseemly

Republicans will destroy SS... again they cannot bring themselves to say it...

At this point I am about to give up. Until they learn how to reach for that reptilian brain... nope, cannot be done... it would be like not respecting voters.

Sure it would... the voters (in the aggregate) are a box of rocks, and they need crayons. Pugs figured this out a while ago... Dems used to know this... but they forgot.

Nuance don't work... but they insist on doing nuance.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:01 PM
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21. Exactly!!! Americans need to be talked to at about the 3rd grade level. The R's know, Bush
knew, the lot of them, but the D's can't seem to find their roots. The D's think Americans are going to analyze what was said, fat chance.

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:46 PM
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12. It's hard to debate when corporate media...
won't give you airtime, and I'm fucking looking at YOU, MSNBC, and of course Faux - but the latter goes without saying. Or, when corporate media drowns out your message by airing views that are 10 to 1 against what you've just presented. Free speech my ass. Even MSNBC has the liberals outnumbered 3 to 1 on a nightly basis on most of their shows.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:55 PM
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13. Erm...you don't think that removing Olbermann was a sign that they are going
to try to silence criticism?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:56 PM
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14. why can't the message get out? white house or media?
you are correct
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 05:59 PM
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15. It is unbelievable, isn't it? The repukes want to take away our healthcare, our social security,
not create jobs - end unemployment benefits during a recession they caused, what else am I forgetting???

And the Dems can't figure out how to win? George Lakoff we need YOU now!
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:42 PM
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17. How many of you could craft a better message than democratic leaders? I know I could!
All democratic party leaders and the president seem totally clueless how to craft a simple message. Why don't they just admit they are incompetent at communication and hire people who are talented? How many times will they allow republican lies to go unanswered? How many times will they allow the dimwitted tea baggers outsmart them?

Why don't they hire professionals and if they don't want to do that, shy don't they merely listen to their supporters? Sometimes I wonder if they want to lose. What else can explain the way they run from every republican and are unable to communicate with the American people?

Wake up President Obama! If you don't do so soon you will be put if office in 2012 and even though she is a dolt, Sarah Palin will beat you because she can talk in short sentences using very short words, something you seem incapable of doing. Remember President Obama, the electorate consists of people who are barely able to tie their shoes in the morning or even remember how to breathe. Surely you can outsmart them if you dumb down yourself

GWBush operated at almost a vegetable level, but was very successful crafting 3 word messages. Surely Mr. President you can outsmart the dimwitted Bush by appearing just as stupid as he was.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:12 PM
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23. Yep, Bush was a genius at talking the stupid by crafting 3 word messages. If he had not
Edited on Sat Nov-06-10 07:12 PM by RKP5637
had that capability he well might have been a one term president. He really communicated well with the vegetative state often of American minds. He's more clever than many want to give him credit for... And I think one of Obama's difficulties is he gives the collective mind of Americans too much credit. They need to walk away with three word mantras the MSM will repeat over and over and over until nauseating.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 06:46 PM
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18. That's one of my pet peeves
The Dems are ALWAYS playing defense by answering charges using the exact same terms as the Repubs. Even when Dems win, they're still playing by GOP rules.

When do they start taking charge of their OWN messages and setting their OWN priorities?

The Dems could easily ask US AT DU for what they SHOULD be saying. But they NEVER figure it out on their own.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:07 PM
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22. The framing sucks because the product is essentially "we suck less than them"
That's all we really got, arguably sucking less than the opposition while they spare no effort to demonize and delegitimize us.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-06-10 07:26 PM
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24. Locking
We are locking this as inflammatory and as extreme anti-Democratic rhetoric.

cbayer
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