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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:22 AM
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Confessions of a former Tea Party guy.
I catch hell here because I talk about the Tea Party Patriots like they are human beings. The reason is because I have been one. When the Tea Party started, it wasn't the Tea Party, it was the money bombs for Ron Paul. Why did I support Ron Paul here, when everyone else thought he was a nut (and now they think he's a dangerous nut because he has been effective). Well, at the time, he was one of the few people who was anti-war. And I was, before I was a Democrat or a liberal or a libertarian or whatever you want to call me, I was anti-war. Ron Paul was anti-war, and it was a major part of his identity, and remains a major part of his identity. He was antiwar before it was cool to be antiwar. He voted against the AUMF in Iraq.

War is the most destructive force a government can unleash. It is obviously destructive to its victims, the Afghan weddings interrupted by Predator drone strikes, the Iraqi babies with their heads blown off by indiscriminate American gunfire, the prisoners raped and tortured to death while our soldiers looked on and did nothing... These things accompany EVERY WAR. I said so in 2005, and everyone thought, well, Americans don't fight that way, but they do, and Wikileaks proved it recently to the sound of crickets.

War destroys the soldiers, too. Not just the 4,000 plus who have died, and not just the 100,000 more who have been greviously wounded, but also probably half a million young men with PTSD and other psychological disorders that the military refuses to admit exist, and the thousands more exposed to toxic chemicals. War is an obscenity. It is a vile filth in the world.

War destroys our economy. We print money and fake money to hide the true cost, so it looks like we pay nothing -our taxes, after all, don't go up. But the money comes from somewhere. It comes down the line as a bill to our kids and grandkids who don't get to see American moonbases and don't get to go to Mars and still have to face cancer and things that the money could have cured, but it's all gone because we spewed it out as liquid fire upon the children of other souls. So we are sliding into a massive economic depression, the same slide that accompanies all wars, and all the nice social programs we need to keep our seniors healthy and our poor housed all go on the altar of Mars. And we squabble about them now as if we can ever, ever afford them again.

It destroys our moral compass. It destroys our moral compass in that generals become like kings. When war is going on they have the power of life and death in their dominions. Does it surprise us that they don't want to give this up? The profits from war are measured in the trillions to defense contractors and weapons makers and weapon system designers. Nobody is happy when a helicopter crashes except the seller of helicopters. He measures his profits in the millions, and the price is paid in blood, terror and death.

The Tea Party started with Ron Paul. It started with people like me who were willing to put this principle, that war was the enemy, above party loyalty and above the so-called liberal/conservative divide, and we Tea Party founders desperately wanted to find a home and forge an alliance with the anti war liberals, thinking we could unite on this one principle, and put it above other principles. Oh, sure, economics was part of it. Constitutionalism was part of it. The assault on our freedoms was part of it. It was what united us in the beginning, our principled opposition to the welfare/warfare state. So the economics were "conservative" and the anti-war position was "liberal" in the parlance of the day, but in those days the Republicans were running everything, and it seemed like driving an antiwar splinter into the middle of them might end the wars.

What happened when I talked about Ron Paul here? The threads got locked, that's what. And that's what happened to the energy of anti-war conservatives. We were told to fuck off at Free Republic, where every war is a good one. We were told to fuck off here at DU, where every Republican is a bad one. And at Kos, and basically everywhere major except for a few small, little read blogs.

So we started to organize, and run candidates, and we paid a lot of money to get Ron Paul's message out there. 20 million bucks, back when that was a lot of money, and it wasn't corporate cash, it was $50 here, $10 there, paypal, mastercard, whatever it took, because we WANTED TO END THE WAR. Whose attention did we get? We got the damn attention of the damn Republicans, of course, who, licking their wounds after the well-deserved thrashing they got in 2008 saw the energy in the Ron Paul campaign, saw the energy in the Tea Party frustration, and they infiltrated it, co-opted it, took it over and ended it as an expression of anti-war libertarianism, and turned it into Sara Palin central.

It's not the Tea Party anymore, it's the GOP Party now. So that's what happened to the anti-war libertarian right, following in Hayek's footsteps and Mises' footsteps into the wilderness once again.

But seriously, though.

What the fuck happened to the anti war left? Obama got elected and you just fucking disappeared.

You know, the Tea Party energy could have been here. There could have been a bipartisan grass-roots movement that would have really shaken D.C. up, and we really would be bringing our soldiers home, and we really could have saved a lot of people from being blown to smithereens by our soldiers, who are our sons and brothers and fathers, who are coming home scarred for life.

I come here and I post and I have been doing it for a long time. I have gone from hard left (when I started, hence the name) to a general disgust for all government when I saw how corrupt everyone in DC seemed to be, and when I saw how the corporations just OWN everyone. But I have always been against the murders that are being committed in our name in the Middle East. There has always been a strong anti war contingent here, but not anymore.

It's all about us vs. them. "All Republicans eat babies". "All Teabaggers (I know that means sucking balls in a bar, but it's funny because they are all so stupid they don't get the joke, haw haw, but we are clever and we get it, nevermind that it insults every gay person we know, so long as we can insult THEM) are face stomping stupid trailer dwelling white trash who vote against their own interests because they are so dumb, haw haw!

Well, okay, DU. You got Obama in office. Gratz.

The killing goes on and on and on, but let's don't talk about it, let's remain FOCUSED on us versus those stupid ass redneck Tea Party guys.

I'm so goddamn disappointed I have tears in my eyes writing this, you miserable, short-sighted accomplices.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:26 AM
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1. I have no idea how to respond...
But I sure as hell can recommend, and I did.

Thank you for taking the time to spell this out.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:32 AM
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2. Not So Impressive As You May Suppose, Sir: Paul Is A Militia-Style Racist Reactionary
Expecting anything he was even figurehead of to prove out anything but an extreme right quasi-fascist movement shows, shall we say, extremely poor judgement....
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:40 AM
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5. Empty labels.
Go to Lew Rockwell's site. He has an archive of Paul's essays.

Read them. Educate yourself.

If can still make the same statement when you are done I will be surprised.

Heh.

(but we both know you ain't gonna do that, don't we?)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:42 AM
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6. Accurate Descriptions, Sir
You may not like it, but that is not my concern.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:43 AM
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8. Like I said.
you ain't a gonna look
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:51 AM
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13. Do You Imagine This Is The First Time The Topic Came Up For Comment, Sir?
The man has been well known for many years, was a fixture of the ultra-right long before 2008....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. While he is all that
He IS anti-war...it is a streak of rw libertarianism, shared with the left wing.

Single issue voters...
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #21
31. It's a pretty big issue, Nadin
We've gone round about it before.

Sure, I'm a single issue guy, when it comes to the war. Because it eats up everything else.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:19 AM
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40. Best Not To Look Too Close At His Motives For It, Ma'am
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 01:20 AM by The Magistrate
Why people do things matters, sometimes as much as what they do.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. Oy Vey.
Thanks for illustrating exactly what I am talking about.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:23 AM
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42. Son, You Got The Hole Up Over Your Eyebrows Already --- Best To Stop Digging
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:09 AM
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34. He skated a little because unlike his son, he didn't have a nazi leather guy
doing his PR.

lol
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:21 AM
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41. Lew Rockwell.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 01:24 AM by Starry Messenger
Hmmmmm.


:popcorn:

Also publishes trash from Pat Pukecannon. Are we joining hand in hand with him now too? And Rockwell was a Von Mises disciple the last time I knew. The only Left here, is where did I leave the butter?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan87.html

Was the Holocaust Inevitable?

by Patrick J. Buchanan
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. nice find
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 02:04 AM
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55. words aren't actions; actions & associates speak louder than words. all fascists talk a good game
before they come to power, & that includes corporate fascists & folksy, jest folks fascists.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:32 AM
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3. Actually the left is still around
with Kucinich and the Pink Ladies, you know exactly whom.

But just like you they are seen as kooks and fanatics...

It is the Empire

And I have pointed in the past that Libertarians (yes they run the gamut from right to left) have this in common. Neither likes the war...

And yes I recced it.

Oh and to the Left Wing anti war... I could point you to the little read blogs too.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:39 AM
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4. It's really a shame that our "liberal msnbc" spend
most of their time ridiculing tea party candidates, continuously playing endless clips of palin, angle, o'donnell, and any other whacko out there instead of dealing with the issues.

Instead of trying to channel the anger into constructive activism, they end up alienating the very people who have every right to be angry. But, I guess one cannot expect anything else of corporate media.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:42 AM
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7. I'm sorry you've been disrespected here. I can only speak for myself,
but I, too, am anti-war, went to more rallies and marches than I can remember, stood on a corner with a bunch of other anti-war types every Friday for years, but quite frankly, I just lost hope after Obama failed to end the wars.

I didn't realize that anti-war was the impetus for the Tea Party. I knew Ron Paul was anti-war, but I read his reasons were not particularly pacifist although I don't really remember what that meant.

Anyway, stick to your convictions and try not to let DU get you down. It's a clique with equal helpings of good and bad, smart and stupid.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:47 AM
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11. Oh, I haven't been disrespected...
Just de-prioritized.

I'm not hurt on any kind of personal level ...

Okay, take that back.

It hurts me on a personal level that the liberal anti-war movement (and hell, I did some marching there, too. I was a party hopping multi-tasker) seems to have been co-opted and turned into the "elect Obama" movement.

And all that good peace energy from people like you and me didn't turn into, you know, actual peace.

It's just so goddamn disappointing.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:44 AM
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9. Tea party was started by Santelli of CNBC.....
that's why the Tea Party supports the same things that millionaires do.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:51 AM
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15. From Wikipedia
The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event of American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters with libertarian and conservative viewpoints.<14><15><16><17><18> It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier.<19><20><21> The libertarian theme of the "tea party" protest was previously used by Republican Congressman Ron Paul and his supporters as a fundraising event during the primaries of the 2008 presidential campaign to emphasize Paul's fiscal conservatism, which they later claimed laid the groundwork for the modern-day Tea Party movement, although many of them also claim their movement has been hijacked by neoconservatives.<22><23><24><25> As home mortgage foreclosures increased, and details of the 2009 stimulus bill became known, organized protests began to emerge.<26><27><28> The character of the Tea Parties has since diverged significantly from Paul's anti-war and libertarian focus, and Paul has stated that "neocons" who do not accept his policies have become more prevalent in the protests.<29>
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:05 AM
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30. I was there.....watching the fucked up corporate asshole media
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 01:11 AM by FrenchieCat
Wall Street Television station that had just helped robbing us blind, have one of their pigs tell dumbasses to go out and protest not the banks....but Barack Obama. Not Bush, but Barack Obama. Not corporation; but Barack Obama.

Here's the wiki entry...

The Tea Party movement is a populist ( :rofl:) ,<1> conservative, constitutionalist<2><3> political movement in the United States that emerged in 2009 through a series of locally and nationally coordinated protests.<4><5><6> The protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,<7> the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009,<8><9> and a series of healthcare reform bills.<10>

The name "Tea Party" echoes the Boston Tea Party, a 1773 incident when colonists destroyed British tea rather than paying what they considered a tax that violated their right to "No Taxation without Representation."<11> As of 2010, it is not a national political party, does not officially run Congressional candidates, and its name has not appeared on any ballots.<12>

First national Tea Party protests

On February 19, 2009,<35> in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages, which had just been announced the day before. He said that those plans were "promoting bad behavior"<36> by, "subsidizing losers' mortgages." He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather and dump the derivatives in the Chicago River on July 1.<37><38><39> A number of the floor traders around him cheered on his proposal, to the amusement of the hosts in the studio. Santelli's "rant" became a viral video after being featured on the Drudge Report.<40>

In response to Santelli, websites such as ChicagoTeaParty.com (registered in August 2008 by Chicago radio producer Zack Christenson) were live within 12 hours.<41> About 10 hours after Santelli's remarks, reTeaParty.com was bought to coordinate Tea Parties scheduled for Independence Day and, as of March 4, was reported to be receiving 11,000 visitors a day.<41>


Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. And I was there in 2008.
per the wiki entry I sent you before.

I guess different folks saw it differently. My recollection was the outrage over the bail outs was directed at both Bush (who started the bail out) and Obama (who let it through) - as to the bail out thing.

But we were doing money-bombs way before February, way before the '08 primaries were over.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:12 AM
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38. Your fucking tea parties didn't get any coverage......
the corporate organized and funded ones did.

They stole y'all's fucking shit, and here you are. :rofl:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:46 AM
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10. Re the anti-War Left, who do you think One Nation Working Together is?
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. a little-read blog, perhaps?
Tell me more about it, though.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:49 AM
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12. Here is what I just posted on another thread.
"Rand Paul wants the troops home - a huge drain on the budget. If the debt ceiling is not raised, Paul can shout about bringing the troops home. Maybe, (wild dreams here), Paul can undermine the lock that the Generals have on the war. If he does, than that little arrogant weasel will earn one term. After that, he will be replaced by a puke, for sure."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The antiwar stances of the Pauls is admirable. The Generals have forced Obama's hand in Afghanistan. Suppose, Paul obstructs the debt ceiling, and jumps up and down about ending the war. Maybe a Teabagger can defeat the Generals - and then go home, because I sure do not like (hate) all his other policy ideas.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:51 AM
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14. This site is for Democrats, not for just anyone opposing Republicans.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:57 AM
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22. Really have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
I'm a Democratic Precinct chair, and I have been for several years. I caucused for Obama. I've carried signs door to door in a very Red State. I've contributed to the Democratic Party, and I attend monthly and weekly meetings. But like you, I'm free to support whomever I want with my money, and I'm free to vote for whoever I like.

I haven't voted for a Republican in my life.

So if you wanna say I can't post here, you can say it all you like.

What have you done for the Democratic Party?

Other than posting here and marking your territory?

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Esor Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #14
25. Alright
let's ban everyone who is not a registered Democrat.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. I think we should start with people who spell "all right" as one word
but that's just me.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. I'm for banning spelling bee fascists...
but that's just you

:)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. LOL Aka, English. But seriously, I don't want to derail
this lovely thread of yours where you broad brush all of DU.

Have at it. :)
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:26 AM
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43. How long have you been here?
I'm not trying to be rude, but do you remember when there was ALWAYS an antiwar thread in the top 10? I mean every day, all day, all the time.

I'm not broadbrushing all of DU.

Lots of people here were never anti war and never pretended to be.

But I remember when the freepers were nasty, nasty and vicious, and we were usually pretty much the polite ones. We would troll over there, pull their really nasty posts, and put them side by side with ours.

Invariably they were the ones that broadbrushed and had no sense of humor or honor or dignity, and ours were thoughtful and supported with evidence (again, I am broadbrushing in the sense that I am describing general trends, there were certainly exceptions).

Now see if you can find a thread on DU where there are more than about 3 posts that speak respectfully about the Tea Party folks.

If I was going to presume to give you advice, it would be to just give your fellow Americans the benefit of the doubt and listen to what they are talking about.

I'm not talking about Hannity or Limbaugh or Beck or Palin. I mean real people. Just "give civility a chance".

Or not. Up to you, like I said.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #14
50. That is not true.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:53 AM
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17. Anti-war activists on the left an the right have almost disappeared on the internet...
They're still out there in real life thought having trouble keeping a foothold. For me, as a DUer, the silence of my anti-war DU allies for the last several years has been very depressing.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. it's sad.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:54 AM
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18. I like your post.
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 12:55 AM by krabigirl
I consider myself a left libertarian of sorts, I guess..who knows what I am really. I don't really like labels.
I don't like too much governmental control, and I really don't like corporate control. But I do base my vote on whether or not someone supports empire-building or war. (I mean wars of offense..I am in favor of a strong defense.)

I completely agree with you about the anti-war protests. Sure, they are still around, but not like they were before Obama. It makes me very sad.

Hope I don't get banned for posting this response myself.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 12:55 AM
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20. You put that in the PAST tense .... what happened to change your mind ...???
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #20
26. The Tea Party got picked up by Beck and Palin and Hannity
and all of those GOP hackpuppets. And Newt the fucking Gingrich who stole Christmas now says he's a tea partier - ecccch.

Made me sick, really. Especially once Obama got elected and it became clear he wasn't about ending the wars.(yeah, yeah, I know he never promised he would, and Afghanistan is the good war and all that...)

But now there is no real opposition to the war, at least not like it was.

I had friends who supported Ron Paul for the same reasons, and they are equally disgusted with the co-opting of the Tea Party ideas.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:00 AM
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24. LOL
Sweet! What I really need is the unsolicited advice of someone who campaigned for racist reactionary RON PAUL!

:rofl:
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. I didn't give you any advice,
solicited or otherwise.

And you don't seem to be the kind who would listen if I did.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #29
35. Fishing are you?
Oh...you'll get some bites.

Great timing! :fistbump:
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #35
44. dunno what that means.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. I spelled it out for you in post 46
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:09 AM
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33. Congratulations
It's rare that someone actually outs themself in such a fashion that they can pretend they didn't out themself at all. Really quite clever.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. The other psych-ops are reccing it!
:rofl:

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #33
39. Thanks. Nice to see the hate is good and cooking.
Do you ever think that the anger you feel at tea party people might be contrived?

Do you ever ask yourself who benefits from you being at the throat of Red America and them being at the throat of Blue America?

And if the energy, let's say the anger at outsourcing, as an example, can be made somehow "partisan" so that the Reds blame the Blues for outsourcing and the Blues blame the Reds for outsourcing, then that anger becomes unfocused, and lacking a target it's diffused, and the outsourcing goes on.

Or if the energy is the antiwar energy, and the antiwar energy is similarly diffused, the wars go on.

Someone is making a lot of money from you being pissed off at me.

Take it or leave it. All I have is ideas.

I'm no millionaire banker trying to hoodwink you.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 02:00 AM
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54. "Someone is making a lot of money from you being pissed off at me."
Speaking of a lot of money: Someone is making a lot of money exploiting morons.

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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 02:15 AM
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56. David H. Koch and the vast media empire of Rupert Murdoch?
yeah I reallyyyyyyy always wanted to be best buds with them...NOT
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:31 AM
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45. Your timeline and events detailing the beginnings of the TP
are exactly correct. I don't recall if they called themselves The Tea Party back then. I do remember a few strongly anti-war folks drawn to Paul
that had little else in common with his ideology. I also recall reading his essay on Dollar Hegemony and can understand why some would be
drawn to his economic policies.

The current wars and economic slavery to the MIC is so shameful, I can barely think about it clearly without losing all hope for this nation.
You on the other hand have nothing to be ashamed of. You're just a painful reminder of the elephant in the living room.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:37 AM
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46. Sorry I will not align with the "tea party".
You say the Tea Party could have been here, except for the fact that DU ran you off.
You say the Tea Party could have been at Freeperville, but you got ran off.
You say you could have aligned with the left, but yet chose to align with the right.
Now that they have co-opted your Tea Party and you were used and taken for a ride, you want to come back here?

I remember full well how it was between Ron Paul supporters, and DU, well before the GE of 2008. I read plenty, and it wasn't pretty at all. Ron Paul Supporters slammed the left and Democrats. So I politely say no, but thanks for trying your hardest to get me to think that the Tea Party isn't bad. Sorry it isn't happening.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:43 AM
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48. Moved
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 02:10 AM by HCE SuiGeneris
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:48 AM
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51. Teabaggers are morons and Ron and Rand Paul are kooks
Edited on Fri Nov-05-10 01:51 AM by ProSense
"I'm so goddamn disappointed I have tears in my eyes writing this, you miserable, short-sighted accomplices."

Your precious Rand Paul enabled war criminals by caucusing with them.

See this bill.

House and Senate conferees approved this legislation providing $124.2 billion primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and setting benchmarks and a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, but President Bush vetoed the bill on May 1. ...The legislation says that troops in Iraq would not have their service extended beyond a year for any tour of duty. It also mandates that the president must certify that the Iraqi government is meeting certain diplomatic and security benchmarks. If that certification is made, deployment would begin no later than Oct. 1, 2007, with a goal of completing the redeployment by within 180 days. Some U.S. forces could remain in Iraq for special counterterrorism efforts along with protection, training and equipping Iraqi troops

Paul voted against it with all the other Republicans.


See this bill. This bill would require the president to begin reducing the number of U.S. troops serving in Iraq 120 days after its enactment and would require most troops to be withdrawn by April 1, 2008.

Paul skipped the vote and all the other Republicans voted against it.


Paul does things like vote against SCHIP. He is a Republican kook.

"What happened when I talked about Ron Paul here? The threads got locked, that's what. And that's what happened to the energy of anti-war conservatives. We were told to fuck off at Free Republic, where every war is a good one. We were told to fuck off here at DU, where every Republican is a bad one. And at Kos, and basically everywhere major except for a few small, little read blogs."

Wonder why?

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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 01:51 AM
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52. K&R your post
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 02:00 AM
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53. Homophobes and racists don't deserve civility.
Not a goddamn one of them was an anti-war person; they've always been a bunch of nasty, reactionary, racist filth -- good to know you're proud of counting yourself amongst their number.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-05-10 02:23 AM
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57. We're locking this
as a General Attack on other DUers
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