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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:58 AM
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I hope you won't think me a meddling Canadian for what I am about to say....
Don't you think that possibly the main reason Obama's election promises have not been fulfilled is because of the fact that there was an election coming in two years?
No matter who is president, there is always an election coming in two years!
Perhaps the reason Canada, Great Brittain, France and other democracies have universal health care, for instance, is because the government of the day has time to enact their election promises.
Our elected governments have a reasonable amount of time to get things done. If we don't like what they do, we throw them out in the next election....But things do get done.
I hope this doesn't sound condescending, because I don't mean it that way. I live in southern Ontario, not far from Buffalo, N.Y., and we have a lot of friendly cross-border mingling. You are great people and deserve the best.

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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:01 AM
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1. But, conversely
if things get too hot, then the government can fall in almost no time. Here, we're stuck with people for two/four/six years.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:36 PM
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28. only if it's a minority government. If it is elected with a majority it stands for the
minimum 4 years. With a minority government there is a much more working across party lines to get things done.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:03 AM
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2. In Brazil itr's like this:
Years 4n+2: President, Senate, House, Governors, state legislatures.

Years 4n: Mayors, city legislatures.

It's been working OK.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:04 AM
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3. In other words....time to get things done...n/t
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:09 AM
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4. I have long been an advocate
for a single eight-year presidency for that very reason. With a four-year term, they spend two damn years campaigning to get reelected and nothing gets done.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:21 AM
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7. How about something more like
Elect a president for 5 years and congressional elections every 3 years.. One comparison between Canada and the US. Neither are as democratic as say. Germany with it's proportional representation.. But, with the electoral college, the US excels more than any at being undemocratic.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:16 PM
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12. Not to mention several months of a third year campaigning for
the mid terms for people of their party.
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Rectangle Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:10 AM
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5. No you are not meddling at all, one main difference, (among many),
is that you have a Parliamentary system of Government instead of this
" winner take all" format we have. Another is that we do not have
Run-Off voting as (I think) you do in Canada.
Thanks for your post!!
:7
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:19 PM
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24. I agree
that the parliamentary system seems to be more efficient for getting things done. I remember learning about our system in school and then we did a side by side comparison with the US system and I was shocked (As were many of my classmates) at just how much power is concentrated at the top in the US. And don't quote me on this, since I regrettably don't pay much attention to our Canadian system since I find the American far more entertaining, lol, but I'm pretty sure the run off voting is only done during party conventions to pick the leaders of the parties.

I do think that having set elections every 2 years though means that the election cycle is prolonged to a ridiculous degree. I know that here, hardcore campaigning only goes on for a month or so before an election. Yes, there is the disadvantage that the ruling party can call an election when they figure they are ahead in the polls, but a lot can change in a month. Just ask Paul Martin.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:15 AM
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6. Imagine how much more fucked we'd be if there had been no 2006 midterm election.
No roadblock to the Bush administration.

Accountability is more important. The character Amy Gardner in the show "The West Wing" once said, "It's a hell of a thing that we get to overthrow the government every two years."

I concur.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:33 AM
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8. One term of six years for representatives and senators
it must happen. That way the lobbyist and the billionaires couldn't funnel all that cash to get them re-elected. And then they would have to wait another 6 years before they could run for the senate again. AND they could service only twice.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:18 PM
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37. Senators already serve six years -- about 1/3 are elected every two years.
Term
Senators serve terms of six years each; the terms are staggered so that approximately one-third of the seats are up for election every two years. This was achieved by dividing the senators of the 1st Congress into thirds (called classes), where the terms of one-third expired after two years, the terms of another third expired after four, and the terms of the last third expired after six years. This arrangement is also implemented following the admission of new states into the union. The staggering of terms has been arranged such that both seats from a given state are not contested in the same general election, except when a mid-term vacancy is being filled. Current senators whose six-year terms will expire on January 3, 2011, belong to Class III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Term

The result is a regular turnover of Senate seats, but not a traumatic change of all seats at once, which might interrupt the functioning of gov't, particularly in times of national emergency.

The Senate has a number of powers not shared with the House, and vice versa, so the difference in term lengths is one more distinction between the "upper" and "lower" chambers of Congress.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:59 AM
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9. This is exactly why we need a Parliamentary system.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:11 PM
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11. As I said before...things DO get done....
...and if you don't like what they do, you vote them out in the next election. It works!
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 12:03 PM
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10. lOVE YOUR COUNTRY AND YOUR RIGHT.
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xor Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:05 PM
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22. You love the Canadian Right?
:P
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:39 PM
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13. Wait ... you mean, Canada's not part of the US? I thought we got it in the Spanish-American war
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:42 PM
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14. you got that wrong...our 2nd language is French, not Spanish!
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 02:56 PM by glarius
:pals: LOL!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:26 PM
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25. Well, according to Samantha Bee:
"Actually, it's not really French, it's a regional patois that actual French people despise."

;-)
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:30 PM
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26. Samantha Bee is full of shit!
She says what she thinks most Americans want to hear about Canada....She thinks you want to feel superior to Canada and she is trying to play to that. She's wrong of course! You want the truth!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:43 PM
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30. Simmer down.
I think she was actually poking fun at Canadians who didn't like it.

Of course, she's wrong. It's a comedy routine.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:47 PM
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32. I heard her say something smarmy on the CBC not long ago
and formed my opinion of her then. That's all I want to say. :)
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:45 PM
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38. It is an ancient french in Quebec at times. Like the world "char" is car. Which comes from chariot.
In some ways quebec french, settled in the 1600s, is more traditional french than french french is.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 01:05 AM
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45. That's one of the funny parts.
Quebec was cut off before the French Revolution. They were far more traditional then the European French in language and culture.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:44 PM
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15. Proportional representation is the biggest improvement, IMO. n/t
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 02:59 PM
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16. I like Canadian system but....
I got some misgivings about letting Queen Elizabeth II be our monarch. I´d like it if I could be King, it sounds like a pretty decent job. And you get to wear fancy outfits and read a message to Congress.

Or maybe we could draw lots to be King of the Month. If I had a month, then I would write a speech apologizing to the world because we have been torturing people and doing all sorts of bad stuff to them. I guess the rest of you would want to cut my head off, so I´d do it and then fall through a secret trap door and change from my king outfit, get dressed in a suit and tie, and then go somewhere sane, like say Canada. But if I go to Canada I would want to start a band and be known as Social Critic, formally known as America´s King.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:08 PM
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23. The Queen's job is purely ceremonial....she has nothing to do with governing!
:hi:
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:04 PM
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17. I'll go ya one further! I think we should ask the Queen to take us back into the Commonwealth!
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raven42 Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:12 PM
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19. personally, I'd much prefere a parliamentary system to
what we have here in the U.S. I know it can lead to more instability if the government really runs into deep trouble; but at least it would seriously dilute the power of the major parties. The Democrats, for instance, would be forced to build coalitions with other more progressive parties when forming a government. I think it would lead to a much healthier democracy overall. Unfortunately, it's never going to happen here.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:53 PM
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33. And, what THEY call "conservative", WE call "moderate"!
Even Thatcher would not get rid of "Public Health"!
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jonthebru Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:11 PM
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18. Actually, how different representative govenments work is very interesting.
Even on a local level. Here in Hawaii each island is a county, Maui County has three settled islands. Our county council has residency requirements to run, but the voters all over the county can vote for each (non-partisan)candidate for a district seat. The Big Island of Hawaii has district residency and district voting for their council also non-partisan. That allowed the election several years ago of the first elected Green Party candidate in The US. Kaua'i County has a free for all, non-partisan, non-district run for office; the top seven candidates are elected to the council. Oahu is like the big island district residency and voting. I'm certain there a thousand variations to the structure of government.

Nationally, term limits are a big deal to me, I don't like seeing someone entrenched in their power at the expense of their constituents. That would take a constitutional amendment I think for the US Senate and House to have some sort of term limits.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:23 PM
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20. What we are seeing is a general, worldwide "Balkanization" trend, IMHO.
Edited on Sat Oct-30-10 03:28 PM by roamer65
You have 4 main parties in your parliament and one is an outright secessionist party. No party can achieve an outright majority.
Australia has just had one of the most divisive elections in its history, resulting in a weak ALP coalition gov't.
Britain has a coalition government for the first time since PM Ted Heath's coalition in the 1970's.

The United States is experiencing the same divisive politics, but in a much more virulent form.

Where this goes is anyone guess. My guess is some sort of conflict (aka war).

...and you're not meddling ;) What happens down here can and will affect Canada very quickly.

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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 03:26 PM
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21. I agree with your observation entirely. With 24/7 political entertainment and nonstop campaign mode.
...we end up with our elected officials wasting half their time trying to convince everyone they did a good job during the other half of the time they were actually working. Its like American Idol with no off season.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:31 PM
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27. You also have a multi-party system. We only are allowed 2 political parties in the United States.

At least it seems that way.

Until a real time of deep social and economic crisis which we may now be entering.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:41 PM
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29. I thought you are were a monarchy.

;)
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:45 PM
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31. As I said above...the queen's job is strictly ceremonial.
She has nothing to do with governing...:)
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 04:56 PM
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34. I was just teasing....
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 05:01 PM
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35. Sorry....my sense of humour failed me there...hahaha.
:)
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 07:40 PM
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36. A point I meant to make....it seems like the electioneering never ends...
as soon as your people are elected, it seems as if they are already working towards the next election.
Have I got this wrong?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:48 PM
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40. That is the way it is for congresscritters. But I'm canadian. And hey...weren't the
Steven Harper conservatives going to institute set date for federal elections every 4 years...the first year supposedly was going to be 2009 (a year when the GOP political machine in the USA would be available to help the neocons in canada get elected). Thank god they didn't do that.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:18 AM
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43. Stephen Harper is a right-wing bastard who got elected by pretending he was a moderate
Edited on Sun Oct-31-10 12:47 AM by glarius
He's trying to remake Canada in his own image. Thank God he only has a minority government.
I can't wait till he's out of a job!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-31-10 12:54 AM
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44. It may be a while because the left is split in Canada.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:47 PM
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39. Your spot on...nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 10:49 PM
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41. Of course. The campaigning never stops here now.
And since big donors own our elections, we're pretty much hostages to them.

But, thanks for noticing. :)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-30-10 11:05 PM
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42. It's true. Same reason corporation are so sleazy as they have to report quarterly earnings
We are paying for are hyperactivity disorder here...
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