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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:14 PM
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Seriously, when the f*ck will Democrats fight back against the right wing hate machine?
Rush Limbaugh is STILL on Armed Forces Networks spewing hate and lies about the CIC to our troops. Why the fuck is that? Why has our Dem Congress and this President not removed that fatass, lying, racist, drug addict from the AFN? They had the power to do so these last two years and did NOTHING to the "Teflon Don" of the GOP. It simply boggles the mind that our Dem leaders would allow FOX News, Clear Channel and other media networks get away with launching propaganda and lies 24/7 without responding in some manner.

The right wing structure is vulnerable if Dem leaders would commit to fighting it. The key weakness would seem to be on a local level when considering attacking FOX News and Clear Channel. It is the LOCAL advertisers on these programs and media outlets that are the achilles heel.

I hope that after the election that the DNC puts together a fifty state program that would fund and direct LOCAL Democrats to confront local advertisers that run ads with radio and TV stations that run programs like Limbaugh's. The local Ford dealer and local bank might not be so keen on advertising if their were a large group of Democrats in front of the store with picket signs and knowing that EVERY Democrat in the county was going to know that their business supports the likes of Limbaugh and Beck. Dems might be able to minimize the impact of the right wing media lie factory if they would only try. Sigh!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:20 PM
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1. It would take people with spines and principals
Rep. Al Grayson
Sen. Paul Wellstone

It takes people with spine, principals, and calling out people when they lie
I think they have gotten to the point that once
they get elected they start worrying about getting
elected again that they forget to do the job
they were elected to do.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:47 AM
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14. +1
Well said.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:23 PM
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2. The Democrats serve the same corporate masters as the GOP.
When the corporate masters tell them to fight back against the right-wing hate machine, then they will. And not a minute sooner. Of course it won't actually change anything. The entrenched power interests will still be firmly entrenched, even if the ostensible power flips over to one side or the other. It's a show to make you think there is a democracy left. The real power goes on behind the scenes. The elections and medi and hate machine and all that is just an endless distraction to keep your mind off of the real issues.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:37 PM
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7. That's getting kind of old given the amount of Corporate Master $$$ being spent to defeat Democrats
See Karl Rove's Crossroads and the national COC.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-10 09:46 AM
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13. Agreed.
If the "corporate masters" were so fond of Democrats, they wouldn't be spending hundreds of millions of dollars trying to defeat them.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:12 PM
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11. They do, they are a little better, but only marginally. It was the Dems that kept Single Payer ...
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 08:15 PM by slipslidingaway
HC off the table under Clinton and now under Obama. Seems the Repubs suggest the idea and the Dems are right there to implement, banking deregulation, media consolidation, free trade and now the new focus is entitlement spending!!!

We needed a SP system to help with "entitlement spending" and the Dems silenced any discussion.

The Dems do not want to take the distractions away, I'm done with that game.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:25 PM
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3. when? Probably never!!! Except for a few real representatives
Edited on Wed Oct-27-10 07:31 PM by fascisthunter
the ones who are impartial and want to represent true democratic values. Too many are compromised and therefore should no longer represent us... they are fucking cowards while we, their base gets physically attacked. It is no secret that FOX news and right wing radio are directly responsible for the present climate we Americans live in. And who pays for all of this right wing noise? A bunch of right wing wealthy head cases.

But do the dems say anything???? I sure as hell haven't heard a fucking peep except for Grayson.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:33 PM
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4. Vinnie, what has given you the idea that they want to at all?
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:38 PM
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8. +1.. Sure does look like they threw in the towel before
they even started. THen had the nerve to blame the voters for their problems. Maybe if they had used the Republicans voting record as a sword we wouldn't be doing all this hand wringing. I mean I have yet to see a single Democrat talk about the Republican vote against health care for 9/11 first responders. That should have been the damn focal point of this election. Republicans denied health care to 9/11 first responders so they could keep a loophole open to allow foreign corporations to do business in the U.S. without paying taxes.

That one vote should have been enough to send the Repukes packing for years.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:34 PM
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5. Unfortunately..like a company town.. America is a Corporate entity...
...the Company-Town-Psyche has been so throughly ingrained in America.. I doubt if we will ever see freedom again.

Americans work 2 times as many hours as European Union Countries.. and we make half the wages. We retire later and we have less health care than many third world nations.

The Corporation is king in America... and controls every Congressman and Senator and all our law makers.

I don't know if we will ever be able to break free from our Corporate masters... it looks grim at this late date.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:37 PM
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6. Because they are all Republicans
They all have a vested interest in the way things are. We'll get just enough "change" to keep us from revolting. Seriously both Dems and Republicans subscribe to a theory of the limits of government and its relationship to capitalism. It wasn't too long ago when Obama said it wasn't government job to create jobs. Of course capitalism is only interested in profits not jobs so the capitalists are doing ok and its none of their problem if thirty per cent of our population lives in poverty. The stimulus bill was a case in point, too small to be effective, it was about like the one Ronnie rammed through just before the 1984 election to make things look better for electoral reasons.
Their faith in capitalism is the common ground of both parties.So maybe we have some true progressives from safe districts, but by and large we never have come even close to a progressive majority.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:43 PM
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9. I was watching one of my favorite movies the other day
The American President, with Michael Douglas, written by Aaron Sorkin.

This is one of the most memorable quotes,
"People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand.

That my friend is what we're lacking. The people are drinking sand.

Of course my second favorite quote is at the end when President Shepherd confronts the press.

"President Andrew Shepherd: For the last couple of months, Senator Rumson has suggested that being president of this country was, to a certain extent, about character, and although I have not been willing to engage in his attacks on me, I've been here three years and three days, and I can tell you without hesitation: Being President of this country is entirely about character. For the record: yes, I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU. But the more important question is why aren't you, Bob? Now, this is an organization whose sole purpose is to defend the Bill of Rights, so it naturally begs the question: Why would a senator, his party's most powerful spokesman and a candidate for President, choose to reject upholding the Constitution? If you can answer that question, folks, then you're smarter than I am, because I didn't understand it until a few hours ago. America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free". I've known Bob Rumson for years, and I've been operating under the assumption that the reason Bob devotes so much time and energy to shouting at the rain was that he simply didn't get it. Well, I was wrong. Bob's problem isn't that he doesn't get it. Bob's problem is that he can't sell it! We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, Bob Rumson is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family and American values and character. And wave an old photo of the President's girlfriend and you scream about patriotism and you tell them, she's to blame for their lot in life, and you go on television and you call her a whore. Sydney Ellen Wade has done nothing to you, Bob. She has done nothing but put herself through school, represent the interests of public school teachers, and lobby for the safety of our natural resources. You want a character debate, Bob? You better stick with me, 'cause Sydney Ellen Wade is way out of your league.

President Andrew Shepherd: I've loved two women in my life. I lost one to cancer, and I lost the other 'cause I was so busy keeping my job I forgot to do my job. Well, that ends right now. Tomorrow morning, the White House is sending a bill to Congress for its consideration. It's White House Resolution 455, an energy bill requiring a 20 percent reduction of the emission of fossil fuels over the next ten years. It is by far the most aggressive stride ever taken in the fight to reverse the effects of global warming. The other piece of legislation is the crime bill. As of today, it no longer exists. I'm throwing it out. I'm throwing it out writing a law that makes sense. You cannot address crime prevention without getting rid of assault weapons and handguns. I consider them a threat to national security, and I will go door to door if I have to, but I'm gonna convince Americans that I'm right, and I'm gonna get the guns. We've got serious problems, and we need serious people, and if you want to talk about character, Bob, you'd better come at me with more than a burning flag and a membership card. If you want to talk about character and American values, fine. Just tell me where and when, and I'll show up. This is a time for serious people, Bob, and your fifteen minutes are up. My name is Andrew Shepherd, and I *am* the President.

Yes, it's just a movie, but can you imagine if our President confronted all the critics once and for all with this much audacity? If only.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 07:59 PM
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10. I love that speech! (NT)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-10 08:14 PM
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12. when we get real Democrats
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