A friends wife's coworker was attacked in a parking lot.

[Swede]

They work in a hospital,it was during the day,as she was walking to her car. 3 young guys jumped out and tried to get her purse,when she resisted they stomped her. She had just recovered from hip surgury and has reinjured it.
She told Deb she just instinctively held onto her purse,but now wishes she'd let it go.
What the fuck is wrong with people?

[proteus_lives]

1. Hip surgery? Is she elderly?

Some people are predators. I wish it was different.

[Swede]

2. I am not sure of her age,but she is a working nurse

If she is the same age as Deb,she's mid thirties.

[bobbolink]

25. The nursing profession wears out bodies.

[Edweird]

3. A coworker of mine (male 30's) was jumped by 5 guys at an ATM.

He fought back and put one of them in intensive care, but the others beat him and his girlfriend pretty badly. He is back at work now almost 2 months later.

[spin]

36. Outdoor ATMs are a good place to avoid ...

especially at night.

I have rarely used one, but when I did, I was legally carrying a firearm and had an armed friend in the car.

[Liberal_in_LA]

83. 'American life' had a guy tell his story, He was jumped by 5 guys, because he's a trained boxer

he knocked out 2 or 3. Still got beat up badly though. You can hear the story at AmericanLife.

[Edweird]

92. My coworker is a golfer and used a golf club on one of them.

That's the guy that he pun in the ICU.
But they then took the golf club and used it on him. He know has a giant scar on the side of his face and his jaw will likely never work normally again. He went for his concealed weapon permit before he came back to work.

[H2O Man]

4. That's terrible.

Being the victim of a violent crime is a terrible experience.

[RKP5637]

5. And it occurs anyplace anytime, anymore. If it keeps up probably best to

carry a shotgun around, I guess.

[Bitwit1234]

17. Shotgun? Maybe you need an AK47 in those areas.

I have posted before we live in a small town but I always keep my storm door and the front door locked. I am now starting to lock the back door after my son leaves for work after the campaign worked walked in and left his brochure.

[RKP5637]

20. One problem I see anymore is even if you have good neighbors, people are

trusting and the community is good you never know anymore who is roaming around that is up to no good. IMO it's a good idea to keep the doors locked up, as you mentioned, just as a good precaution.

[MadMaddie]

6. I am a bleeding heart Liberal through and through

However; I have absolutley no sympathy for these criminals. The attacks mentioned are probably not the first for these criminals. They more than likely have been involved with the legal system, many have gotten off because of sob stories..etc. No sympathy for them when they get caught, if they get sentenced to 5, 10, 15 years for their crimes so be it. Clemmons that guy that killed the four police officers in WA state had a record like this and he skated on his earliest charges. My preference is hard labor for their entire term. Use them on farms to pick crops that Americans won't pick...no more tv, no more weight rooms. Psych care and medical that's fine. That's it.

I hope the victims mentioned will be okay.

[mzteris]

7. i second the no tv no weight room

how about libraries and classrooms?

how about working? learning a trade and being required to work.

how about counseling and therapy?

[MadMaddie]

9. I did mention I support Psych care and medical that's fine!

Right now they have an option to choose education. It should be mandatory.

They should also learn a trade. Now here is where I have a problem, we have many Americans that have not broken the law and yet they don't get the state to pay for skills training. Some do but many don't. I would have to think more on that one.

[mzteris]

18. well - if they have a skill

when they get out of prison, they're more likely to get a job than go back to crime. It seems like the same investment as education.

[LiberalAndProud]

21. The fair thing would be to offer the same assistance to people who haven't broken the law.

Fair is fair, after all. Either that, or require the inmates to pay for their education upon release (much less attractive option, IMHO)

[MadMaddie]

63. I could live with that!

[Moonbat2]

84. and a nice fluffy pillow

[flvegan]

8. Such "men" these individuals are.

I'm sorry for the woman involved. I'm hoping that surveillance cameras were available and caught this on film.

Then, once these shits are tried, convicted and slapped on the wrist, I would truly hope that someone else would choose not to hunt them down one by one and beat the ever living shit out of them. That would be seen as wrong.

Rob and beat up a woman, you're a sack of filth.

[awoke_in_2003]

10. "truly hope that someone else would choose not to hunt them down"

I hope not, too :evilgrin:

[Raster]

12. As a mugging attack survivor (shotgun - 3 weeks in hostpital)...

I "truly hope that someone else would choose not to hunt them down" and beat them within an inch of their sorry-assed lives, and they have many long and painful months of recovery time during which they have plenty of time to examine what a major clusterfuck their miserables existence amounts to be. No, not me either.:evilgrin:

[awoke_in_2003]

16. ....

I won't begin to tell you what I wish people wouldn't do to rapists :)

[femrap]

11. What do you think happens when

the wealthy take all the working and middle class's money? Crime increases.

I'm going to start removing alot of stuff from my purse that I really don't need. If the purse is stolen, it won't be such a headache.

Some kids tried to take my purse once...I said 'You dumbasses...why don't you go rob someone in a rich neighborhood? I ain't got shit.' And they ran off.

I think it's going to get much worse.

ETA: I hear this is happening more and more in grocery parking lots as one is putting the groceries into the car and not paying attention to one's surroundings. A heads up.

[Raster]

13. Unfortunately, I agree with you. As what's left of the fabric of society starts to break down...

...we will all see the consequences. And the rich and richer will build yet higher walls and hire even more rent-a-cops.

[RagAss]

19. They can't build walls high enough for what's coming !

[femrap]

31. I wish it weren't this way....

but I think it will get worse. Of course, I'm sorry that the woman was hurt, but in today's society, we all have to be more aware and alert.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

14. Yeah, I'm sure these assholes would be holding down a great 9 to 5....

....if not for the ruling class. :eyes:

Some people are just assholes who like to make a quick buck. It's not always about a condition of the great societal ant farm. Three thugs jumped a woman. If only they were given a job.

[paulk]

22. the recession is fueling a rise in crime, though

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/03/10/economy_fuels_rise_in_crime_police_say/

[Pavulon]

24. Trending down actually.. Still this type of attack is horrible

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/violent_crime/index.html
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/property_crime/index.html

[femrap]

33. So you see no

correlation whatsoever between economic depression/recession and crime? Gee let me:eyes:

And I don't give a rat's ass about what the gov't statistics say about crime. I take all 'statistics' with a grain of salt. They're easily manipulated.

But this post gave me a heads up...I took a lot of stuff out of my purse last night. Especially stuff w/ my address on it. I'm lucky....I've moved since I got my drivers license and checks.

I'm going to do the same for my mother's purse as well.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

38. There have always been scum and filth in any kind of economy

I'm not saying there aren't people who haven't turned to crime in this economy, but three men don't just turn to crime on a whim and jump a woman for her purse because they can't find a job or something similar to that. They lost their morals long, long ago if they ever had them.

[Name removed]

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[proteus_lives]

89. Don't you know?

Criminals are always misunderstood.

:eyes:

[Pavulon]

23. Crime has been decreasing over a long period of time.

while these events are horrible crime is trending down, which is good news. These people pick on the weak, the elderly, and people distracted. I will happily give up my wallet, but will not take a beating.

[femrap]

32. I've studied

crime statistics....and they are what TPTB want them to be. Statistics are easily manipulated. I don't believe what the gov't tells me anymore. Or at least I take it with a grain of salt.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. You're suggesting that the crime statistics are made up?

Interesting how some rush to defend sociopaths, whether it's muggers, James Lee, or whatever.

[JVS]

35. reported crime, at least.

[Warren DeMontague]

30. As others have noted, crime is going down.

Unless we're doing 'Indigo' Math, where 1=20.

So please, let's skip the Les Miserables crap about the downtrodden muggers just trying to get a cup o' broth and a crumb o' bread.

Thugs are thugs. Fuck 'em.

[superduperfarleft]

37. Bull. Some people are just parasites.

Scum like this would be robbing and beating old ladies regardless of the economy.

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[superduperfarleft]

43. Wow, no one has ever attempted a sly personal attack by making fun of my username before.

What are you, 3?

Other posters have pointed out that crime rates are falling. Other posters have pointed out the ridiculousness of believing that a couple of kids who rough up an old lady for her purse would be working honest jobs if the economy was better. And yet all you can resort to is a juvenile personal attack when called on your completely unsubstantiated post.

Hey, if this is the kind of sandbox you want to argue in, I'd ask you why you're so busy making excuses for the poor downtrodden youth who would assault an older lady.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. 3? ... 4?.... 5?

[trud]

50. Warren

Warren, what are those cute puppets about?

[Warren DeMontague]

54. I prefer "Artificial American", please.

[Rebubula]

48. AGAIN...

...people that gang together and beat women are FUCKING SCUM and have always been scum.

Good people do NOT BEAT UP WOMEN (or anyone for that matter, but being a Southern man I always weigh crimes against women more than men) for ANY FUCKING REASON. PERIOD .


The fact that you are willing to denigrate people for pointing this out (and taking the old 'I am more liberal than you' bullshit stance) is really pathetic.

[Hello_Kitty]

40. I never carry large amounts of cash with me.

Well, to be honest having a large amount of cash is never a situation I'm in lately but still. ;)

I buy pretty much everything on debit because if I lose the card or have it stolen I can have it cancelled with a phone call. When cash is gone it's gone.

[femrap]

42. I totally get

the situation. If I have $20, it's a lot. I cleaned out my purse yesterday....got rid of address book, and stuff that says what I do, where I am. Just one credit card....I use it cuz it gives me money back and gives to the National Indian Relief Council...and it's not a major NYC bank.

I had my wallet and checkbook stolen many years ago. I had just put in a whole new book of checks....this woman was writing checks in the hundreds of dollars to grocery stores. At least she wasn't buying luxury items...just food.

I notified the bank, police, credit cards....everyone that same day. Months later the police call me at midnight saying that I had been writing bad checks!!!!!

[Warren DeMontague]

46. If your wallet gets stolen, you should be careful that no one steals your identity.

Such as it is.

[femrap]

86. Hey Hello_Kitty....

I've Ignored many....but I have been thinking. Do you think that SOME of the dudes don't want vocal women discussing the issue of being alert to male violence? Just a thought. I always look beneath the surface cuz that's where the good stuff is...

I know there is random violence, but not as prevalent as directed violence. Hey, that's a good stat, supposedly.

Always be aware and alert. Damn shame that only applies to women, huh? dudes just walk around and act stupid.

[Hello_Kitty]

87. Yeah, but you'd think being robbed would be the great equalizer.

People who will overturn every rock to find a reason to blame the woman for being sexually assaulted, even when she was just walking around in public minding her own business, will be instantly sympathetic to a man who gets his wallet stolen, no matter how drunk/inattentive/careless whatever he was.

[Name removed]

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[Hello_Kitty]

90. Uh, okay.

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

91. Normal rules of logic no longer apply

in the funhouse hall of mirrors.





...and who's "Blanche"? :shrug:

[slackmaster]

81. Pity the poor middle class, then

We've got people coming at us from both sides.

:hide:

[pipi_k]

15. Wow....such MEN!!!

One asshole isn't bad enough? They think they need three of them to beat on a woman for her purse?

fucking worthless scumbuckets.




Well I have a suggestion, both for her, and for any woman who finds herself having to walk alone through a parking lot/whatever...

since pepper spray isn't legal in all areas, here's what I would do.

Get a bunch of old metal keys...put them on a large keyring and then put one key between adjacent fingers so they stick out like big claws, then make a fist.

anyone who tried something funny would at least get their fucking face/eyes ripped to shreds in the process.

Actually I'm a big fan of self defense classes for women. I always love hearing the occasional story of some dirtbag trying to assault a woman who knows a martial art and ends up whipping his ass into the ground. :evilgrin:

[Pavulon]

26. Problem is that stuff does not work, martial arts are effective in movies

situational awareness, OC spray(legal or not, pay the ticket after the fact), or a handgun are the best bet for a female dealing with an attack like that. Once you are close enough to touch a person, game is over. When I was 20 in great shape in the military, a punch from another man in the solar plexus would drop me and make me turn red and purple. No way a 30 year old female or me in my current semi athletic shape would toe up with 3 guys.

I will give up my wallet or my car but a 3 on 1 attack pretty much meets lethal force requirements everywhere. Assume they are going to kill you and react accordingly.

[spin]

53. Martial Arts can give a woman a chance to surprise an attacker ...

and run away.

It's extremely difficult for a marital arts expert to handle three attackers. Unfortunately, life is not like the movies and all three tend to jump on you rather than attack you one at a time.

[Pavulon]

55. Best thing it teaches is self confidence and situational awareness.

not saying they are worthless but a 105 lb female is not toeing up with 3 175lb dudes. Short of not being in the situation at all the best response is OC or lethal.

[spin]

57. Agreed...

My daughter had years of Judo and Jujitsu training but carries.

[pipi_k]

58. Well, as we know...

any weapon, including a gun, can potentially be taken away from a victim and used against her.

Cops have been overpowered by single suspects and had their own weapons taken away...some have been lucky and gotten them back. Some haven't...and were murdered.

the only thing that can't be forced away from a victim, either by surprise, or by some other method, is self defense training.

It doesn't just work in movies...I've seen it used in RL situations as well, and I've seen "bad guys" get their asses kicked when they thought they were going to have a field day with, in their opinion, a weakling...

[Pavulon]

64. Police do not learn martial arts, ninja is not taught in BCT

either. It is dangerous to post stuff about keys and whistles here, like posting false information about how foreclosure works.

I HAVE fought with people and getting punched or kicked hurts and injures. It hurts when you are 20 and stupid and a ball of muscle in marathon shape. at 42 it causes permanent injury and loss of consciousness. I am in decent shape and could not toe up with 3 guys my size when I was 20. I may drop one, but the rest break my face.

Let me by crystal clear. A female (or male) with a week of ninja training has ZERO chance against a man who has been in jail (or the military in my case) lifting weights and training all day. You will loose and you are at there mercy.

A female with OC spray or a firearm has a good chance against a 20 year old in good shape. I have been gassed with CS teargas it works, you cant fight it. Unlike a gun if taken from you it is not lethal. It is an EXCELLENT choice for a person who does not want to train with a firearm.

Obviously a handgun works as well, difficult to take from a person who is firing it at you. Using one requires training which is free or cheap at most ranges.

[pipi_k]

68. You just refuted your own argument for the use of guns and spray

Police aren't trained in martial arts. They sometimes have their weapons taken away and used against them.

Most women aren't trained in self defense or martial arts. How would their chances be any better that their gun/spray wouldn't be taken away as well?

Please understand...I'm not saying a gun should never be an option. I'm only saying that it's not the ONLY option.




And why is it "dangerous" to post information on using things other than guns or pepper spray? Some people might not want to carry pepper spray. Some might not want to carry a gun. The one about the keys is not something I just thought up. Many self defense courses for women...taught by police officers...teach that very thing.

Maybe you should contact all the police departments in the country and tell them how wrong that technique is so that people like myself aren't unwittingly posting false and dangerous information on a discussion board.

[Pavulon]

73. Again not trying to offend. If you are going to defend yourself

against people who are bigger, in better shape, and stronger you have two choices. OC spray or firearms. Incidents of gun snatches are very rare and are far outnumbered by lethal shootings BY police. Ie police kill FAR MORE people with their guns than police are killed with their own firearms.

The take away meme is actually used to make people fear carrying a gun. I promise you it is not possible to take a firearm from a person while they are firing it. You either get to defend yourself or you are already dead.

This topic seems to be regional. If you live in the northeast the police seem to suggest keys, ball kicks, or pointed sticks. here they suggest the firearm in the largest caliber you can control. Wife sees them all the time, they joke about 40cal vs 357sig (what the locals agencies carry), ask her advice. Her response is both are more than enough to poke a hole in your heart, shatter your spine, or cause a fatal head injury.

If you are not carrying OC or a handgun you are not being realistic about your odds. I repeat, you WILL NOT WIN a fight against 3 men with car keys. You will be in the ER in stirrups if that is their intent.

My wife decided to carry after seeing just how many rape exams are carried out in an emergency room any given week almost 10 years ago. That is reality, she also treats people shot.

If you are fighting for you life you shoot a person until they are no longer a threat. If you are not mentally able to carry out that task the next BEST option is OC as it allows standoff and works in the vast majority of cases. This is fact, indisputable.

[Cali_Democrat]

56. 3 people attacked her

I don't think martial arts and fake brass knuckles would have been effective in this case.

[pipi_k]

62. Tell you what...

be able to kick at least one of them in the balls and you've put one out of commission for a bit.

Be able to gouge out the eye(s) of one of them, and you've cut down the field a bit also.


And the last thing...scumbags like these three aren't bargaining for someone who's going to fight back.


I really don't understand the attitude that says, "If you can't get all of them, it's just better not to do anything at all".

Three guys want my purse and don't beat me? OK...they'll probably get it without a fight. Or my wallet, at the very least.

Three guys think they're going to inflict pain on me for my purse? Fuck that shit. They don't hurt me without my foot trying to find their balls or some keys in my hand trying to gouge out their eyes.

[Pavulon]

66. A popular pass time in the Army used to be beating the shit out of eachother

i mean UFC like fights, as long as nothing was broken, no one got in trouble. This was in fun but it was not a play fight. I PROMISE you a 35 year old woman (or man) will NOT handle 3 men. You may mean well but it is not realistic. ONE punch can put you on the ground throwing up and trying to breathe at the same time.

And I can tell you from PERSONAL experience kicking a person in the nuts who is not standing right in front of you is difficult. (Cups were suggested, even us stupid kids figured that out)

You have two choices. OC spray or a firearm 9mm/38 cal or better. Dont bullshit yourself, I dont.

[Cali_Democrat]

75. LOL

Are you being serious? Of course you should fight back if you're being attacked and physically assulated. You might even be able to inflict serious pain on them.

But at the end of the day, it will likely make them angrier and there's no way a woman (or man) would be winning a fight against 3 young men without a deadly weapon like a gun or sword.

[virginia mountainman]

27. My wife is an RN at a local hospital..

She also has her Virginia CCW permit. When she walks to her car, or the entrance at night, she has her hand, resting inside her purse....on a loaded .45 Kimber...

Several of her workmates also have permits, and are also armed. The management a few months ago, had a in service, about several new policies, one was posting "no guns" signs on the doors, and the idea was quickly shelved, when about 1/3rd of the nurses present asked who was going to walk them to their cars, and the entrance at night?...When the response was "no one" the cry of "Hell No!!" reverberated down the halls... Until management relented!

[Pavulon]

28. Sounds like a large hospital here in the Raleigh area

where my wife works. When you shift ends, well whenever it ends, 2am 4am, you are out there with the idiots. Hospitals are generally not in the greatest parts of town anyway.

[virginia mountainman]

29. yes it does..NT

[spin]

34. A martial arts instructor who taught self defense ...

always advised that it was a bad idea to have valuable stuff in your purse. He suggested that a woman carry her credit cards and drivers license in a small wallet or a money belt.

He also said that it was unwise to resist if all the mugger wants is your wallet or purse. You can replace everything inside of the wallet or purse but you can't replace your life or your health. Of course, he advised women not to chase after a purse snatcher.

He did have some very effective self defense methods that could easily do a lot of damage to an attacker. He advised that you look into the eyes of the attacker as the eyes are the mirror of the soul. If you seriously believe that the attacker means to hurt or kill you, then you used the tactics he taught. He have little or nothing to lose.

[KurtNYC]

47. nothing in a purse or wallet is worth going to the hospital over

throw it on the ground so they don't even have to touch you.

A bar tender in my neighborhood was locking up at 4am (that's when the bars close here). He put about $1500 into his backpack, pulled the grates. locked them and started to walk down the street. A guy came from behind him with a big old knife and went into his pockets, only keys in there. Bartender says 'I have 3 kids at home, you can have the money just don't hurt me, it's in here...' He takes off the backpack, reaches into it and comes out with a .45 He had the would-be thief laying in the middle of Amsterdam Ave while he sat on the guy's back and called the police on his cell phone. And even this bartender said he probably wouldn't do it that way again. It could have gotten messy and it's only money.

[trud]

51. resisting

I'll bet hanging onto your purse is an instinctive reaction. By the time your brain starts working, they're beating you up.

[spin]

52. The instructor also advised women to place the purse strap ...

across their neck rather than allow the purse to hang off one shoulder. He felt the purse snatcher would notice how the woman was carrying her bag and pic on another woman.

It may be a great idea, but I rarely see a woman carrying a purse like that.

He also mentioned that with all the junk that a woman often carries a purse can weight a significant amount and can be used as a weapon by slinging it at the attacker.

[pipi_k]

60. Hah....

my purse weighs so much if I used it against an attacker, I'd probably kill him.


:7

[spin]

69. A purse in the right woman's hands is a deadly weapon ...

You do need a strong strap, but you can definitely smack the hell out of some fool. Yell fiercely at the same time and you might get him to run away with his tail between his legs.

[pipi_k]

74. Hee hee....

Mine is heavy military-style green canvas.

Just the purse alone has got to weigh 2 lbs.


:7

[trud]

70. I just weighed my purse: 10 pounds. n/t

[pipi_k]

76. Good, but there's always room for more....

throw a couple of rolls of quarters in that puppy....


:7

[pipi_k]

59. One tip I saw...

was that people might want to carry an additional "decoy" wallet. Maybe with $20 or so in cash.

Keep your real wallet someplace else and put the decoy in your purse. If someone demands your wallet, give them the decoy.

Another suggestion...if it really comes down to giving over your wallet, real or not, make it difficult on the crook and increase your own chances of escaping uninjured (and alive) by tossing the wallet away from yourself and running in the other direction. Scream "FIRE" as loudly as possible. Actually, I have one of those VERY loud plastic whistles that can even be heard underwater. And yes, this thing is LOUD. Those little plastic battery operated alarms are pretty loud too.

[Pavulon]

61. The best thing people can do is be aware, not on phone, head up

and aware of what is going on around them. OC spray is legal and effective for people who do not wish to carry firearms.

Anything short of that is a roll of the dice. Police use these tools because they work, well.

I am not saying dont comply but compliance is not taking a beating that leaves you in the hospital. A person willing to beat a female into the hospital in public may not care about a whistle, they will care about a 357 round in their chest.

[pipi_k]

65. The last thing they want is to attract attention

Again...why not use every tool, including vigilance AND keys or whistles, to one's best advantage?

Self confidence alone isn't going to be a barrier to attack. Situational awareness alone isn't going to prevent it, either. Yes, they'll help. A lot.

But if/when they don't work, people have to know what ordinary items they carry can be used as a weapon.


I had the misfortune once of having to use some really nasty pepper spray on a man who was attacking me. He was drunk at the time, and it didn't even stop him.

People can't always rely on conventional weapons and that's why they need to know other ways to protect themselves.

I dunno...I'm getting some real uncomfortable vibes in this thread that suggest some people have a victim mentality and there's just nothing anybody can do but submit to being a victim...

I hope that's not true...

:(

[Pavulon]

67. I have two suggestions to make, very polite. OC

spray works on people the vast majority of the time. It works for people who do not want to carry a firearm. It is FAR more effective than hand to hand combat, it allows a standoff distance. If you are unsure of OC (I prefer to be 100% sure) carry a handgun in 9mm or 38 or better. 357 magnum is a great round.

I remember being told while placing a bayonet on an M16 that if you were actually ever using this weapon you were truly fucked. Fix bayonets happens before you die. Police carry guns because they work the vast majority of the time.

I carry as does my wife who works at a hospital. She has seen people hit with handgun rounds, they dont all die but some do, and they were no longer doing what they were doing before someone shot them.

I am quite sure that if you fired two rounds into that mans chest he would have stopped.

I dont want people to take away that there is no option other than lethal force, I am not suggesting firearms as a complete solution. Pepper spray works so do speer gold dots.

[pipi_k]

72. So....when you walk through the parking lot at the hospital...

or anywhere else you think might be unsafe, is your gun out, in your hand, ready for use?

Because if it's not, then I say "good luck"

I really hope you never find yourself, due to one split second of situational unawareness, jumped from a direction you don't expect. You don't get a chance to say, "Oh, pardon me, my good man, but would you mind awfully much releasing me for a moment so I can retrieve my weapon and shoot you? Thanks so much!!"

[Pavulon]

77. No if I carry would be in a holster under clothing, can draw and fire in

a very short period of time. just a matter of right clothes, works with t shirt or business casual. Fights end up on the ground and I can get at a weapon if needed from there. Having spent time fighting with other people for fun, that bit of information is useful. A fight is not a boxing match. If your self defense class did not have you flopping on the ground like a fish, then you wasted your time. Getting to a weapon or getting the person kicking your face in at that point is the next step.

I dont go to the hospital to visit, its in a shit part of town and part of not having problems is avoiding places where problems happen. I dont hang out in parking lots, gas stations, or clubs at 3am.

Wife carries in a pocket when leaving work. So yea, hand on a revolver in a white coat with pockets. Walk down middle of garage so you can see others before they can close distance. Would work with OC too.

My head turns left to right, another basic thing that keeps people out of trouble. Be aware of what is around you at all times.

[spin]

71. Great ideas that work ...

The martial arts instructor mentioned those tactics and told us that people will rush to see a fire but will simply ignore a call for help. A good self defense course is not always about fighting but most often about survival.

Amazon sells some extremely loud whistles for a reasonable price. This one is rated at over 120 decibels. Sandblasting or a loud rock concert rate at 115dB, pain begins at 125 db.



http://www.amazon.com/Fox-40-Sonik-Blast-Official/dp/B0030GQA00/ref=pd_sim_sg_6

[Pavulon]

78. If you have time to grab a whistle while 3 guys are beating you

you have time to save your life.

[spin]

79. Very true...

I like a powerful Surefire flashlight at night, some Sabre Red pepper spray and a .38 or .357 revolver loaded with hollow points.

[Liberal_in_LA]

49. awful.

[slackmaster]

80. Some are willing to risk getting injured or killed, or incarcerated, for a small amount of money

That's pretty messed up.

[WinkyDink]

82. Drugs.

[ileus]

85. two weeks ago at our hospital a woman had her car stolen...

in the broad daylight, the man demanded her keys and took her car.