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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:27 PM
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Secretary of Defense Gates says the military has to consider segregated barracks for gay soldiers!
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 03:34 PM by Better Believe It

Editorial

Don’t Stay the ‘Don’t Ask’ Ruling
October 16, 2010

The Obama administration has conjured up some inflated fears to justify its decision to appeal an injunction that brought a screeching halt to investigations and discharges of gay men and women serving in the military.

Clifford Stanley, the under secretary of defense for personnel and readiness, said in a court filing that ending the antigay policy would require training, and reworking regulations on issues like housing, benefits and standards of conduct. He said the Army had to consider the “rights and obligations of the chaplain corps.” Secretary of Defense Robert Gates said the military had to consider whether barracks should be segregated and whether partners of gay soldiers should have benefits.

This sounds disturbingly like the creation of a “separate but equal” system. The armed forces do not need to be protected from their gay and lesbian personnel. The military has always had its own culture and rules of behavior, but it has not been living in a cave.

Judge Phillips has hit on a simpler, more equitable solution: just stop enforcing “don’t ask, don’t tell.” It has done more to harm military readiness than her injunction possibly could.

Read the full editorial at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/opinion/17sun3.html?_r=5
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:28 PM
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1. remove gates, him and petreaus are bu$hmen
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:29 PM
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2. Please vote on this DU poll.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:37 PM
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3. A two-barracks solution?
"Hot for Men" and "Hot for Women"? :D
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:40 PM
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4. Where would the
bisexuals live? :eyes:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:57 PM
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5. They would be rotated between the gay and straight barracks.

:)
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:08 PM
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6. do the women have separate barracks?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:34 PM
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11. Most homophobia has no concept of women.
It's all projection by males onto males.

Back in the 19th century, seriously, women used to live together for years, even lifetimes, in what were called
"Boston marriages" and no one thought anything of it because "everyone knew" you had to have a penis to be a
homosexual.
The joys of a patriarchal society.

I often wonder what weapons would like under a matriarchal society.
Certainly not as many "explosive" penis shaped ones "shooting " all over the place.

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:10 PM
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7. Will be interesting to see if those who denied this was in the works show up now. nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:40 PM
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12. lol
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 04:40 PM by Starry Messenger
They never do.
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:20 PM
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8. Given Obama's lack of support of LGBT issues, it's no wonder Gates can say bigoted things like that
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:23 PM
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9. Gates needs to segregate himself back to the shithole from which he came.
Bush family POS.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:24 PM
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10. makes one wonder who is really president nt
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:49 PM
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13. I've served with many homosexuals
Every soldier has whether he knew it or not. I don't think it was a problem until the fascists disguised as religious zealots took over our country. Most always had a live and let live attitude.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:11 PM
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14. Recommend
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:13 PM
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15. These guys are idiots
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:16 PM
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16. never mind.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 05:16 PM by Quantess
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:31 PM
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17. We already have the Air Force
Sorry, couldn't resist.

But, yeah, of all the dumb things Gates has said that's one of the worst.
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33Greeper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 05:44 PM
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18. This is totally not necessary
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:05 PM
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19. Don't forget the two separate cemeteries at Arlington.
Don't want the other dead soldiers getting post mortem AIDS.:eyes:
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:08 PM
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20. I call bullshit on Gates
and agree, there has been no need for separate quarters before so don't see the need now.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:54 PM
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21. K&R
People need to take a serious look at this Administration's officials are saying - without consequence.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:58 PM
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22. Plessytastic! n/t
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 07:04 PM
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23. Good grief. Unbelievable. Does anyone really believe that gays
and lesbians are all of a sudden going to start hitting on same-sex comrades in the barracks or showers? Seriously?! What's funny is that the guys most "outraged" and afraid of being hit on by another guy, are guys NO ONE, male, female or otherwise, EVER hits on. They have NOTHING to worry about.

Get real. This is just pathetic.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:41 PM
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24. Just stop kicking gay soldiers out of the military.
That'll do. No further action is necessary.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:17 AM
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25. That's fucked up thinking
K&R
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:09 AM
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26. That's the same mentality we saw regarding Black people during WWII
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