Dry Humping Is Not Dancing.

[KittyWampus]

In the 6 or so years I've logged onto DU, one topic that pops up regularly is parents objecting to kids dry humping at school dancing.

The title usually calls it "dirty dancing" in an allusion to a movie where the leads actually DANCE.

The first time I clicked on one of those threads, I laughed at the prudish parents for objecting to what kids have done for centuries- come up with new dances that are sexually suggestive.

I laughed until actually seeing a Youtube of what was being referenced.

What some teens are doing now isn't dancing. They are dry-humping. A big difference.

I took dancing in school where we did The Bump and some other dances that involved some grinding thrown in with the other dance moves.

Dancing is a great way for kids to learn how to interact socially, get exercise and build confidence. It pains me that so much money gets thrown into sports like football and baseball while dance is ignored.

For some kids, dance is all they've got. Some use it to get them out of crappy neighborhoods. That's one reason the tv show "So You Think You Can Dance" deserves so much credit.

All that said, dancing involves choreography and/or patterns of movement. The Waltz, Jitterbug and The Twist all have actual step patterns. All involve some skill.

Dry Humping does not qualify as dancing. It isn't "dirty dancing". It's dry humping. And it isn't appropriate in a school setting.

If you want to get your groove on with other couples in public places, have at it. But kids in school ought to have more imagination and talent in coming up with actual DANCES to piss their parents off than just flat-out dry humping.

And that's ultimately what it comes down to- lack of imagination and talent. Some kids are so devoid of creativity they can't come up with anything better.

[AlabamaLibrul]

1. Well, ya know....

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

[KittyWampus]

3. No, dancing involves actual sets of movements/steps. Dry humping doesn't.

that's actually pretty empirical.

[immoderate]

21. Where do new dances come from then?

--imm

[KittyWampus]

26. people with some imagination and capacity for creativity.

[Lance_Boyle]

131. Dry humping involves actual sets of movements. Steps, too, if you do it upright. n/t

[Drale]

4. Yeah every generation does something

that the previous generation thinks is going to destroy the world. Wheather its comic books, rock and roll, or video games. We are humans are trying to push back childhood, their for the children are pushing back trying to get to adult hood faster.

[Egnever]

53. Dude!

[snooper2]

156. Do you think this is dancing?

Two videos for ya...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NViDpyKsSOs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8mhLLJlMCQ&feature=related

[wisteria]

166. How impersonal and exploitative. No, this isn't dancing and involves no real emotional attachment to

each other. It is a shame the females go along with this obvious impersonal, sexual stimulation for the males.

[seabeyond]

167. take note how many kids arent doing it. they stand and watch.... and think

these kids that chose this behavior does it for attention, and it is irrelevant if the attention is good or bad. but the mess things up for all the kids, at these dances.

[Texasgal]

2. I honestly cannot imagine

why anyone would think that this "dry humping" is actual dancing!

Yes, i saw the thread.

[asdjrocky]

5. Kids today.

What ya gonna do?

[Liberal Veteran]

6. How about wet humping?

Curious minds want to know.

[mzteris]

12. i have a feeling

some du'ers would think that was okay, too - you know, kids just being kids and all -

" 'doing it' on the dance floor is just their way of expressing themselves, man . . . some people are such prudes . . . "

:eyes:

[Odin2005]

64. No, I draw the line and stripping and actual intercourse..

Nice try. :eyes:

[AnArmyVeteran]

141. Dance IS sex! It's one of the best forms of foreplay. Dancing is all about sex.

[uppityperson]

147. Sex is dance also.

[Iggo]

7. Sure it is.

I can tel it's not your favorite kind of dancing, but dancing it is.

[yellerpup]

8. If you aren't moving your feet, you aren't dancing. n/t

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. dry humping fans have already unrecced this thread. sad

[KittyWampus]

24. I suspect a large number of them are male. Ultimately, nothing wrong with dry humping >

just not in school.

[TexasObserver]

10. "These young whipper snappers! They're destroying America with the Twist!"

Guess what? They're doing REAL humping before and after the dance.

Every generation has its excess, and when they get older, they forget and become prudish.

The Bump? How about the Gator? The Dirty Dog?

It's not new. youtube and parents seeing it is what's new.



Your post reminds me of the old line: Why don't Fundamentalists have sex standing up?

They're afraid someone will think they're dancing!

[KittyWampus]

17. Guess what? Humping of any variety is a private endeavor not appropriate for a social setting.

And as I clearly stated, what is being referenced doesn't involve any step patterns.

It isn't dancing.

CYour post reminds me of the DU'er who posts without even reading what was written.

[TexasObserver]

37. According to Miss Manners you're right. But who listens to her?

It's just your personal attitude about it, and nothing else.



As I said, every generation does this as the decades fly by. They forget their excess.

Surely you remember the 1970s, the Golden Age of Promiscuity in America.

[Hannah Bell]

43. so if they did real humping & called it dancing, that would be ok too?

[TexasObserver]

120. They're doing real humping and calling it real humping.

Whether you think it's ok or not.

Every generation has its prudish members, and they tend to get worse, not better, with age.

Glenn Beck, the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, the Mormon church, and other assorted reactionaries agree with your moral indignation.

[grasswire]

11. I'm going to become flamebait too and offer my opinion.

I believe that the current trend is demeaning to girls. And I can offer anecdotal evidence from my own family. A teenage girl in the fam who has engaged in this at school dances reports that girls don't usually know who they are dry humping with; that they just bend over and wiggle butt and a guy will come up from behind and dry hump her.

So I believe this is a male domination thing and that girls are demeaned in the process. Any self-respecting girl ought to be able to get up off her subordinate position and look her dance partner in the face.

Schools are right to shut it down. Parents ought to demand it.

This isn't about kids having sex. It's about women refusing to be dominated.

[mzteris]

13. excellent point.

My son's ARE dancers, so you can bet they would never ever engage in this. They have way too much respect for girls - and themselves. (and the art of dance!)

[Tunkamerica]

50. ought to be able to... I had no idea the dance was mandated

well, that is a problem. All these girls being forced to dance in demeaning ways. Terrible. If only there were some way for them to stand up.

[KittyWampus]

55. Do you understand peer pressure and social dynamics? People can torture because of social pressure

even when they would never do such a thing on their own.

[Tunkamerica]

125. so now kids dancing how they want to is equal to torture?

i danced something like i imagine you're talking about (because you've not defined it or shown examples just generic phrases which remind me of 50's cliches) in the late nineties. It's really nothing new. Maybe you're seeing it on television now or something, but it's always been around. Since at least the jazz period in American history and almost definitely before. And there have always been people saying exactly the same things as you're saying. So... I guess you'll keep on just like the kids will. Let me know how it turns out for ya'.

[Hansel]

154. It's clearly sexual harassment and borders on sexual assault.

Like it or not. Public schools are to adhere to civil rights acts which consider inappropriate sexual touching, which dry humping would fall under the category of, sexual harassment and discrimination.

It does not matter if the girl engaging in it approves. In an office setting it would be demeaning to all woman for one woman to engage in this act in the aisles for her own pleasure and that of other men in the office. It creates a hostile work environment for other woman by demeaning and degrading them as being sexual objects for the pleasure of male coworkers.

Schools are held to the same standard and any of the other girls are entitled to file a complaint and sue if the school does not stop the activity. There is clearly fondling of the females sexual organs with male sex organs, whether is it through clothing or not, and is no different if men were allowed to walk up to a woman in their office and fondle their breasts through their blouses.

The schools have a legal obligation to stop this behavior, no matter how many of the girls with no self-respect engage in and enjoy it. It's not a dance, it's sexual harassment.

And please stop comparing it to slow dancing. That is a blatantly laughable analogy.

[seabeyond]

155. like i have said. more and more kids chose not to go to dances because they dont like the behavior

so a few want to do this and has to ruin it for all.

[HuckleB]

86. +1

[yellerpup]

101. +1

[wisteria]

168. I agree with you. n/t

[undeterred]

14. ...

[KittyWampus]

18. someone took that photo.....

[BuelahWitch]

98. I always knew Rudolph was a pervert...

[uppityperson]

15. Reminds me of the outcry of dancing with the guy holding the girl's waist!

And then it changed to putting BOTH hands on her waist!

Doesn't "dry humping" involve patterns of movement?

The Twist "involve some skill"?

"And that's ultimately what it comes down to- lack of imagination and talent. Kids are so devoid of creativity they can't come up with anything better." is rather what parents said about the Twist.

[KittyWampus]

19. either you haven't seen what is being referenced or you have no grasp

of what is appropriate in a social setting.

[uppityperson]

32. Either I am clueless or clueless if I disagree with you. Gotcha. You don't address my post beyond

that.
"If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it."
Doesn't "dry humping" involve patterns of movement?

[KittyWampus]

35. No, dry humping doesn't involve a pattern of steps. Actually, you may be right aboutTthe Twist

although I do remember a bunch of variations on The Twist where you moved your arms up and down or flapped them like a chicken.

[uppityperson]

39. So if they stepped back and forth, back and forth, then it would be ok.

[KittyWampus]

52. IMO, if it's part of other movements, yes it would be ok. Grinding isn't the issue.

It's when that's ALL they're doing.

Which is what is being referenced. Dry humping. With music playing. At school.

Maybe you haven't seen what is being referenced.

If you have seen it, and you're a dancer, I have to wonder how you can call it dancing.

[uppityperson]

59. Dirty dancing is dance that goes beyond what you are comfortable with. OK

That is fine. Your OP is that it isn't "dance", yet it fits within YOUR definition of "dance". It is dance. It is beyond what you are comfortable with.

[snooper2]

158. Why don't you watch this video

and tell me how many dance steps you observe..


Will wait for your report :)

[uppityperson]

161. I report no video so no dance steps.

[snooper2]

163. my bad

here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NViDpyKsSOs&feature=related

[uppityperson]

165. I see several "patterns of movement" like previous poster wanted, and see

dance steps that involve undulations and body contact.

I don't particularly like it, don't see it as particularly appropriate, but it is dance.

Here's one for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr-4GWBSDM0

[Hannah Bell]

44. uh, when was that, 1300 or what?

[uppityperson]

49. So? Moral outrage isn't specific to now. People have been outraged over and over and over

dang those kids and their "dancing" and what passes for "music" these days!

[Hannah Bell]

51. just pointing out that your story about when people got outraged because the man had his hand on the

woman's waist = "fail".

& in modern times, the controversey was that the man *didn't* have his hands on her waist doing a nice sedate waltz.

[uppityperson]

63. Back when women had "limbs" (gasp!) and never "legs" and a view of the ankle=swoon

Outrage happened. If you think that = "fail", then you demean the right of others to be outraged. "Your" outrage is fine, that of those in past= "fail".

What a guy.

[JuniperLea]

136. +1

[hughee99]

16. Given what can pass for art, music and cinema these days

who are we to say this isn't "dancing".

[DavidDvorkin]

20. I just turned 67, and I can say very sincerely

that you kids today don't know how to do grumpy curmudgeonliness. Why, when I was a boy, old folks were really grumpy.

[A HERETIC I AM]

72. LOL! Now THAT"S funny! ^5, you old fart you!!

I'm 51 myself and when I was a kid, old folks were really grumpy too!

Of course, I was too self conscious to do any kind of grinding at a high school dance, grumpy old folks present or not.


Personally, I think they should make the kids all go to the dances naked, squirt them down with Wesson Oil and let em' go at it.

Now wouldn't THAT blow some skirts up!?

[DavidDvorkin]

116. I'd watch that!

(Dirty old fart.)

[blondeatlast]

73. For the WIN! nt

[Motown_Johnny]

22. what about dry face humping? would that be more creative?

[jpgray]

23. Dry-humping with intricate formal structure would be fine, then?

My guess is no. Doubtless you have no problem with the lean side-to-side, raise-foot/lower-foot, and occasional knee-bends that comprise most non-contact dancing with "kids today." This takes zero skill, is supremely lacking in imagination, yet never launches a complaint thread.

It's the nature of the contact that troubles people, and no amount of skill or form in execution would satisfy those so troubled. If you've never experienced creative, imaginative or talented humping, dry or otherwise, then you have only my pity.

:)

[KittyWampus]

29. WRONG. If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it.

You obviously missed what I wrote.

The issue are teens who are doing NOTHING BUT DRY HUMPING.

That isn't dancing.

It isn't appropriate in a social setting.

Bumping and grinding with other steps thrown in= dancing.

[uppityperson]

34. You'd have no problem if it were formalized movements?

hahahahahaha

[KittyWampus]

38. Have you ever watched modern dance? The issue is dry humping is not dancing.

Dance can be extremely sensuous and suggestive... but it involves more than just a guy grinding his junk into a girl's ass or, in short, dry humping.

It's a school dance. A social event.

Humping of any variety is generally a more private engagement.

Maybe I should track down a video from SYTYCD. So you could experience what actual dancing that involves some sexuality is.

[uppityperson]

40. I am a dancer, thank you very much.

"If it was built around a group of step patterns I'd have no problem with it."

So you don't like any extemporaneous style dancing (even that Moderne Dance) unless it uses Formalized Patterns.

[KittyWampus]

45. Tell you what, go find an example of "extemporaneous style dancing" that is nothing BUT

dry humping and then explain to me how it's dancing.

Dry humping with music on is still dry humping.

And since you are reduced to playing games with words, here's definition of dance:


"To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"

That doesn't describe dry humping.

[uppityperson]

46. you keep changing the goal posts.

[KittyWampus]

47. I just provided a definition of dancing. It doesn't include dry-humping.

although if you prefer to argue that, feel free. I won't argue with you.

[jpgray]

56. That definition includes dry humping

There are steps and gestures, they are either prescribed or improvised, and they are done rhythmically to music.

So how does that help your argument?

[uppityperson]

58. and you keep editing previous posts.

Using a unsourced "definition of dance" : "To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"

"dry humping" is moving rhythmically usually to music, using...IMPROVISED steps and gestures". Yup, it passes. Moves rhythmically. Usually to music. Using improvised steps and gestures.

What's your take on Break Dancing?

[Tunkamerica]

57. This whole thread I thought you were talking about amateur dancers

but now I realize you're talking about pro's. Yes dry humping passed off as serious art is terrible. We shouldn't have to pay to see this crap. These people have training and access to choreographers. They should be able to come up with more.

[uppityperson]

62. Indeed. A lot of Modern Dance is like modern art to me. eyerollling and laughable

:toast:

[Tunkamerica]

126. I was being sarcastic

she's blaming kids for not dancing in a way that fits her ideas of what dance ought to be.

Perhaps you are being sarcastic as well.

[uppityperson]

146. Indeed, I understood you well and your comment, like your comment.

[blondeatlast]

74. *roffle*

[Warren Stupidity]

107. fail by self selected definition

"To move rhythmically usually to music, using prescribed or improvised steps and gestures"
That doesn't describe dry humping.

yeah it does, did you even read your definition? what exactly about dry humping to music is not within that definition?

dancing frequently is improvised and frequently has sexual content. You find overt sexual content in dance offensive, fine, but it is still dance, just dance you don't like.

[uppityperson]

114. "it is still dance, just dance you don't like." And there it is. Thank you

[Goblinmonger]

88. So when are you going to start your thread bitching about guys

who can't dance and don't move their feet but just bend their knees a couple times and move their arms slightly? I'm sure that must offend the dance purist in you.

[WillyT]

25. It Ain't Root Canal Either...

:evilgrin:

:hi:

[Heidi]

27. Whatever youtube video(s) you saw isn't evidence that all kids are devoid of creativity.

You didn't say "some kids." You said "kids."

If that's what you think of kids in general, you need to back slowly away from the internets and get yourself to a real school or community center so that you can experience first hand the wealth of youthful creativity you're missing.

[KittyWampus]

31. aw, I missed inserting "some". I'll go do that. I also mentioned kids for whom dancing

is an important outlet.

Did you miss that?

[Heidi]

33. Be sure to include ETA,

so everyone else will be aware of the change and original evidence of bias. Thanks.

[KittyWampus]

41. Bias? I obviously mention teens who are creative. Maybe your the one with bias

for thinking all teens are really imaginative and creative.

[Heidi]

54. It's your OP and your failure to lay out your argument in a rational way.

If you want to convince rational people of your version of an alleged cultural phenomenon, broadbrush slurs of wide swaths of the population aren't the best way to do it.

By the way, I didn't say all teens are imaginative and creative. I said that if YOU think kids in general are devoid of creativity YOU need to get out more.

[TonyMontana]

28. Kids these days!

Get off my lawn!

[seabeyond]

30. my son goes to a huge HS. freshman year i tried to encourage him to go to the dances

and kept putting it off ect. this year i started again. he told me he knew not ONE person that went to the dances. it is all out of control, over the top. it is no longer for the school as a whole but the kids that want to behave however, with no control, limit, boundaries or civility.

i dont care

if my son does not want to go to a dance, that is fine. but the majority of students are not into public fucking, find it offensive or insulting to each other, so they do without

but hey duers... as long as at the school event the small group of kids have the freedom with no control to behave however anti social they want to behave

good thinking this thru

[Spazito]

36. I remember when the dances I did were not considered dancing to the older generation...

the dances I did at their age were considered TOO provocative, had no 'pattern of movement', etc,. Each generation defines for themselves what they consider dancing regardless of the opinion of others and that is not a bad thing, imo.

[Marr]

42. Everyone will delight in suggesting you're a prude, of course.

It let's them feel hep.

But really, I agree-- and I think it's a small symptom of a much larger element that's crept into our society; a total lack of standards. Children are given blue ribbons for coming in last, musicians "sample" other musicians, loop it, and call it original, etc. We actually have an entire class of "celebrities" that are famous simply for being famous. They don't actually *do* anything. And perhaps worst of all, all arguments are considered equally valid-- whether they're supported by real data or not-- so long as they're expressed passionately.

What these people are doing is little more than rutting set to music, but then, it is done passionately... and that's all that seems to matter.

[pipi_k]

48. Just sitting here wondering

what people who believe this is OK would think if the dry humping "dance" were taken a step or two further and involved some other form of simulated sex...like maybe the girl squatting down in front of the boy and pretending to give a BJ, or maybe the other way around.

Maybe the boy could pretend to masturbate in the girl's hair or something.

Is there a limit?

Or is anything they want to do just fine as long as they're fully clothed and there's music playing?

[jpgray]

60. I would have no problem at all with that

A whole galaxy of behaviors is simulated or acted out in traditional dance: kisses, caresses, etc. The worry, as I understand it, isn't over the simulation of these acts so much as which acts are proper to simulate. A similar debate exists for words set to music--are you of an "Anything Goes" philosophy on one and not the other? Why?

Not trying to trap you with those questions--I'm genuinely curious.

[pipi_k]

68. Actually I'm not exactly an advocate for...

anything goes as long as it's set to music.


I'm uncomfortable with some rap songs that use the "n" word in them even if the artist performing the song is black.



Along those same lines, I wonder, what if a gang rape were being simulated on the dance floor...would that be OK too?

[jpgray]

71. Even if anything goes, that doesn't mean I want to see everything go

I believe that what you describe could be a dance--it could even be choreographed in an elaborate and imaginative way, as formal as you like. I don't like the idea of it at all, however.

Lyrics about rape, abuse, domestic violence--I'm not a fan of any of these, but I still allow that they are lyrics. I'm never going to like the content of Lennon's "Run for Your Life," or Albert King's "Answer to the Laundromat Blues," but they're still music. The more explicit and profane versions around today throw more in the pot, but don't seem to me too radically different from what we've had for years.

[pipi_k]

78. Choreographed...

I'm not sure how I would feel about that (simulated gang rape). I guess it would depend on the context...as in a formal show or something.

But out on the dance floor...done by teens...No.

Which is how I feel about the dry humping.


Kids that age are already having issues with sex and sexuality. Raging hormones and all the rest of it. Why would anyone want to allow them to add fuel to those fires with dry humping on the dance floor?

Also, just wondering...below what age would this be considered totally off-limits?

16? 13? 10?

How would people feel if they saw 6 or 7 or 8 year old kids doing it?

What about adults doing it in front of young children?

Or parents in front of their own teenagers?

Actually, that last one might be a pretty good idea. Maybe the teens would be so disgusted by what their parents were doing they'd stop doing it themselves.

[seabeyond]

79. how about parents encouraging their 6 yr old. watch video

http://tv.gawker.com/5549754/kids-gone-wild-dirty-dancing-video-will-shock-awe-and-nauseate

[unapatriciated]

90. seems like we Americans don't have any problems encouraging

3 year olds as long as it turns a profit. Found this little gem in the comment section of your link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECzC7YIt7F4

[seabeyond]

92. and what would du do with that today. oh ya, decry it. kinda like the reason you posted it

because it is offensive.

one can at the least, be consistent. so, you disgusted doing this with the kids, or do you cheer it?

[unapatriciated]

96. don't cheer it, hell I hate child beauty pageants for the same reasons

just pointing out that it has been going on for a long time and is not something that todays youth came up with. That seems to be what the op is decrying.

Every generation of teens has music and dance that shocks their parents, we grew up and matured so will they. There is a difference between what todays young adults consider dance and adults encouraging young children to act in a sexually explicit manner, (like the vid in your link) that is just as inappropriate as the vid I posted. So yes I'm very consistent in regards to this.

[seabeyond]

97. and every generation of adults drew the line of allowable and not. that, too, is nothing new

it is called parenting.

when i see someone use a little to flip a birdie and cuss out the political opinion of an adult, i say wrong.

[seabeyond]

65. that is one of the "move" her on her knees and his crotch in her face. nt

[Warren Stupidity]

108. yes call the dance police RIGHT FUCKING NOW

this is the stupidest thread in quite a while, but lordy is it fun.

[Odin2005]

61. It seems like "us kids" are always causing the end of civilization and decency.

Your parents said the same thing about you! :eyes:

[ElboRuum]

75. Hey, that;'s unfair!

No fair holding up that mirror... you kids get offa my lawn!

[Mojambo]

66. I say let em dry hump.

They're young and horny.

[uppityperson]

67. Oh sure, and next thing you know someone will want to marry their dog

you never know where it will end.

[Mojambo]

70. Ever try dry humping on a slippery slope? Wild, wild stuff. n/t

[woo me with science]

76. As long as they MARRY the dog.

That implies some level of commitment.

[CBR]

69. I remember fondly my days of dry humping at the prom. Fun times. nt

[madinmaryland]

77. Get off my lawn, you damn kids!! BTW, humping is exercise also!!

:D

[nolabear]

80. I'm surprised the term "Freak Dancing" isn't being used. That's what it's typically called.

And apparently there are standards. This probably unintentionally earnest advice from eHow:


How to Freak Dance
By an eHow Contributor
I want to do this! What's This? ..
Dancing is as old as the beginning of the world. Many cultures first entertained each other through forms of dance. It was their theater. However, in the Middles Ages as cultures expanded and sexual contact between two partners became taboo, people would turn to dance as a way around those taboos. It was a way to be close to someone while maintaining your dignity. Fast-forward several hundreds years, and we have the "freak" dance--an unapologetic, nonstop, grind your hips, good time on the dance floor.

Difficulty: Moderately Easy
Instructions.
1
Make sure it's appropriate. Given it's sexual nature, freak dancing should be performed by two consenting adults in an atmosphere where it is acceptable. Don't go to grandma's Fourth of July party and start "hittin' it."

2
Feel the beat. Like any form of dance, feeling the beat and the rhythm is key. While most freak dancing is done to hip-hop music, it can also be performed to many other styles of music with many other tempos. Truthfully, it's up to the two partners.

3
Assume the position. There are two main freak dance positions. One entails the female rubbing her butt against the male groin area. (They are facing the same direction.) Then she can either slowly grind into his hips with her backside or shake her backside exceedingly fast depending on the beat of the music. The second position has the partners face each other. The female places her leg in between the male. They then "lock legs" and grind on each other, bringing their genitalia in close contact--again, moving fast or slow depending on the beat of the music.

4
Get a room. Freak dancing is an exceedingly provocative dance. As your dancing progresses (and you are two consenting adults), do not stay on the dance floor if things are progressing to the next step. While freak dancing is acceptable in clubs and other appropriate places, making out and fondling should be kept behind closed doors.
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Tips & Warnings
Drink water! People who freak dance are often at an overheated club and potentially drinking alcohol. This combination means you need to replace the fluids you are losing. It's okay to take a minute off the dance floor, cool down and drink some water. There's nothing worse than a freak dancer who passes out!.Never be forced to do anything you do not want to. Because of freak dancing's sexual nature, if you do not feel comfortable with a partner, walk away. It's your body, so it's your choice. If someone does try to force you, alert the appropriate authorities right away..

Read more: How to Freak Dance | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2044899_freak-dance.html#ixzz11zb3y39u

[ElboRuum]

81. Well, I have one thing to say to this...

I am outraged. OUTRAGED I tell ya...

People try to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Just because we get around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Things they do look awful c-c-cold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I hope I die before I get old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Outraged that someone who probably has more than a passing familiarity with these lyrics would get so bent out of shape with this.

[pipi_k]

84. Speaking as someone who has more than a passing familiarity with the lyrics...

Not everything my generation did was cool.

In fact, some of it was pretty damned uncool.

Some of it was done with the intention of offending others.


Much of the opposition to this type of "dancing" has nothing to do with being the morality police. It's got a lot to do with, as someone else pointed out, decorum.

Having respect for one's self and others. Knowing what's likely to be offensive to other people and refraining...as much as possible...from doing it. In public, anyway.

Not saying "You don't like it? Too bad. I'm going to do it anyway and to hell with you".


That only works when one is, oh, 2 years old and still the center of one's own little universe.

[ElboRuum]

91. OK, down this familiar road we shall go...

So you think that these people who did these things of which you disapproved should have just submitted to the authority figures in their lives? Do you think that the authority figures had any right to rein these people in? Do you think that we should spend our lives in the pursuit of defining and avoiding the offense of others?

There was a time in this country where women showing skin above the ankle was considered indecorous.

That attitude would be considered ludicrous now.

You indicate that you think public "dry-humping" or whatever should be ostensibly considered indecorous.

I wonder when (not if) that attitude will be considered ludicrous.

All generations since WWII have taken great delight in telling their forebears what a bunch of prudes they are. One might say that the right to offend in this manner is a part of the American heritage, one of its more time-honored traditions, an affirmation that each generation defines its own sense of values even though the prior generation attempts to instill its own. Your reaction, that of offense, is precisely why it is so. What is decorum other than a codification of a particular sense of morality, as to what is acceptable in "polite" society and what is exclusively the province of the infinitely vulgar?

In a free country, "You don't like it? Too bad. I'm going to do it anyway and to hell with you" is a precisely sensible attitude. One could argue that a variant of this sentiment (we call it the Declaration of Independence) is what caused this country to exist in the first place. What purpose is freedom if I need to clear it with someone else whether or not something is correct or proper?

In fact, your penchant for being offended by it, I'm sure, makes the whole thing that much more fun for those perpetrating it.

Nothing changes 'cause its all the same,
The world you get's the one you give away,
And it all just happens again, way down the line.

[pipi_k]

99. Well, it's unfortunate, I guess...

that some people have limits on what they consider obnoxious behavior.


If anyone's taking offense causes someone else to want to do it (the offensive act) more, then my opinion stands: Only a 2-year old child who thinks he's the center of the universe gets a free pass to be willfully offensive.


Actually, I don't feel offense as much as I feel pity. Maybe someday those kids will grow up and realize how stupid they looked. Maybe they'll slap their heads in shame and wish they hadn't acted like fools, and maybe they'll even be pissed off at whatever adults were around who allowed them to degrade themselves that way.

It's like having a piece of spinach caught in your teeth and nobody says anything and you don't find out till after the date or the job interview or something. Why didn't anyone TELL me I looked like an idiot???

While I don't believe we should all run around being paranoid about what other people think, I do still believe that anybody who doesn't give a rat's ass about what anyone else thinks has something wrong with him/her.


And we're not talking about Society at Large here anyway. It's a school dance. The administrators don't want that "dancing" in the school. Kids want to do that stuff at home? Fine. They want to have a party at home or something and "dance" like that? Go for it.

[ElboRuum]

109. Or alternatively...

They could ignore all you've said here and just have a dance. Not like they were reading this anyway.

I don't know about the whole pity thing. While kids do grow up and they do find some of what they've done cringeworthy, I doubt they'll feel much in the way of shame. Probably because everyone they knew was just as foolish. I know I have done a lot of things in my youth I'd done a bit differently knowing what I know now, but I (and I am sure most others do as well) chalk it up to just being young. I do know I wouldn't trade those experiences. It's hard to grow up unless you fall on your face a few times. And as far as degradation goes, the last thing I wanted was their opinion or help, so I don't know what you mean by it. As a kid, you don't care about such noise, and as an adult you realize just what a pile of noise it is.

I wouldn't worry or feel pity. The kids are doing everything precisely as they are supposed to, acting impulsively, testing their limits, and faltering on their way to adulthood, just like everyone who ever came before. As the old chestnut goes, "the kids are all right."

[itsrobert]

82. Is this what your talking about?

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=352324&title=20-seconds-on-the-clock-kids

[proteus_lives]

85. Knew it was going to be the Tosh clip.

That show is great.

[onethatcares]

83. jeez. I went to Catholic school in the 60s and

every friday there was a dance, I got to see Chubby Checker,Dion andthe Belmontes, the Shirelles (?), and many other groups on those friday evenings. The cost to get in was like 25 cents.

There was so much dirty dancing going on it was the norm, or the beginning of the end. Whatever.

Anyone ever dance with a girl while Harlem Nocturn was wailing in the background at 13 years old? I did and I liked it.

[proteus_lives]

87. Agreed. Great post.

And if all the folks on this thread going "It's just kids, different generations, prudes!" saw their 12 year old doing it, they'd yank them away just as quickly as the rest of us.

[HuckleB]

89. It's funny to see all the classic cliches being tossed out on these threads.

Simply stating "every generation wants to shock the last generation" isn't much of an argument. There's always a way to shock, but does that mean every way of shocking others is just fine and dandy? Does that mean that all rules are bad?

I'm thinking the answer is no, but apparently others disagree.

[Hekate]

93. Good luck with this bunch. I gave you a Rec for moral courage in the face of the dreaded Prue-word.

(Prue-word = prudery accusation)

[uppityperson]

95. Seems like the topic here is not appropriateness, but whether or not this is "dance".

Though it does address appropriateness at the end after stating Dance is "All that said, dancing involves choreography and/or patterns of movement."

Whether or not it is appropriate is a far different thing than stating this isn't "dance".

[TheCowsCameHome]

94. "May I have this dry hump?" Somehow that

doesn't sound quite the same as "May I have this dance?"

[Vickers]

103. Har!

:thumbsup:

[pipi_k]

104. And we don't even want to tackle the problem...

of how it would upset the apple cart of song titles....


"Dry-humping Machine" by Michael Jackson

"Dry Hump the Night Away" by Van Halen

"I Hope You Dry Hump" by Leeanne Womack

"Mary Jane's Last Dry Hump" by Tom Petty

"The Chicken Dry Hump" by everybody who plays an instrument







taking some time out from seriousness for a bit of levity
;)

[PeaceNikki]

100. lolz

[MrScorpio]

102. Shouldn't this be in the Lounge?

I'm much more concerned about the Teabagger Apocalypse on the horizon, than some age inappropriate behaviors of kids that I'll never meet.

[Warren Stupidity]

105. yet another get off my lawn op

sheesh.

don't watch them if it gets you all hot and bothered.

[scheming daemons]

106. The more grownups complain about it, the more the kids will do it

...

Some of you have forgotten what you were like as teenagers.

[seabeyond]

110. no. they just stop the dances for all. lets remember what it was to be a teenager

adults set boundaries. if we went beyond the boundaries we were disciplined.

what schools are doing, is stopping the dances, then all the kids do without.

[scheming daemons]

111. They don't do without... they just move to private parties in their houses

....

[seabeyond]

113. fine. that is a big, who cares. this is a public place calling for public behavior at a school

function.

why are people obtuse on this. people act like cause there are rules to public behavior that is saying no kids is going to have sex. not what anyone is saying. and the humpin and the boinkin is fine in a private house.

not at a school dance.

[Tunkamerica]

127. actually the OP was speaking generically I believe

not about a school dance. Just about kids dancing "obscenely".

[seabeyond]

132. "kids dry humping at school dancing.".. first sentence

check it out. but even if that wasn't the case, doesnt matter. other poster and i were talking about school dances.

[Tunkamerica]

151. but if you read into the post she describes watching a youtube video

of random teens dancing. But really, this subject is not worth the time or thought any of us has put into it.

[Warren DeMontague]

112. It doesn't matter. Didn't you hear? Sunchips changed their bag back- WE'RE DOOOOOMED!

Did you hear? DOOOMED! DOOOOOMED!


So you're just going to have to get in line, the hyperbole train is already overbooked.

[alphafemale]

115. But..it's...fun

....muttermutter....sheesh!

[MrMickeysMom]

117. My friend with teenaged daughters tells me about this, too.

One of the reason the 14 year old avoids "dances" directly deals with her not wanting to be around what is termed, "grinding".

Shit, I did that when I was horny on a hot date, but now you can be vertical and call it dancing?

[HEyHEY]

118. If I catch a guy dry humping any daughter of mine I'll wet-hack-his-dick-off

Lucky for them I don't have a daughter.

[Warren Stupidity]

128. lucky too I won't be on your jury

as you don't have a daughter.

But why not mutilate the girl molesting your son? Oh yeah, I forgot, upthread I learned that the girls are being forced by some invisible tractor beam to do this shit.

Either that or it is teens safely dealing with their teenage hormonal lust.

This whole thread is a big pile of WTF. Were none of you teenagers?

[uppityperson]

119. "one topic that pops up regularly is parents objecting to kids dry humping at school dancing." ?

Search shows a couple this week, 1 in 06, 2 in '07, 1 in '08. Not very many.

'06 has one about Jenna
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2512364&mesg_id=2512364

'08, one with 22 replies http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2934769&mesg_id=2934769

'07, two showed up
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2331158&mesg_id=2331158
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1938840&mesg_id=1938840

[Warren DeMontague]

122. Someone with a lot of time on their hands should graph out the cyclical nature of some topics.

I swear, it's like ...astrology, or something, the way the exact same shit-flinging fights breeze in and out of this place.

There's a pattern there---- I know it...


THIS MEANS SOMETHING!

[TexasObserver]

121. John Lithgow. FOOTLOOSE.

What next? REEFER MADNESS?

Teens have sex when they're not dry humping.

[Jamastiene]

123. This looks promising.

:popcorn:

[JCMach1]

124. Dancing is often just 'symbolic' dry humping of one kind or another

[pipi_k]

153. But some of that symbolic dry humping...

is beautiful and graceful.

Like the Tango



It's like the difference between courtship dances of certain bird species and a dog dry humping its owner's leg. Or a pillow. Or another dog.


No way on earth that what those kids are doing can be equated with the beauty and grace and sensuality of the Tango.

[JCMach1]

173. IT is also cultural... unfortunately sometimes cultural

passes us by when it comes to contemporary culture.

[Perfect Ten]

129. I like the Christian Side Hug...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0daJoMRm1x4

[TexasObserver]

130. They should wear burkas! Men and women.

[AnArmyVeteran]

133. First Dry Humping 'Dancing' and then Penetration 'Dancing'...

[seabeyond]

135. there was an article on a highschool in penn? that talked about all the body fluid

in their dance floor

eeeew

slippin and slidin dancin

[AnArmyVeteran]

139. LOL, I guess they could freeze it and do Ice Dancing.

[seabeyond]

142. bigger, eeeew. lol nt

[Goblinmonger]

134. There's a lot of foul language in this song

so let me warn you before you click on this. But I saw this mashup on an unrelated note and the end of the song has reference to freak dancing ("turn around, bitch, put your ass on the nigger"). Personally, I find the irony of this mashup funny, but I think it gives some perspective for some that don't know the general attitude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQp5l4-sfFA

But, my stance on school's banning this is pretty comples.

[arbusto_baboso]

137. And discomfort with sexuality does not equate to "protecting the children" either.

Too bad you can't seem to tell the difference.

[seabeyond]

143. nor does drawing the line, inserting boundaries equate discomfort with sex. nt

[Iggo]

138. Nice to see my favorite distraction form this weekend...

...is still going strong!

Kick!

[mstinamotorcity]

140. Dry humping????

I haven't heard that in so long it brings back memories of hide-and go-seek.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Dash87]

144. Dry humping is to dancing as Ke$ha is to music

I couldn't think of a better comparison. :)

♥

[earth mom]

145. I will agree with you on this one. Young women should have more self respect

than letting some random guy hump them on the dance floor!

The women's movement has gone down the toilet.

Young women of today don't have a clue that they are being exploited and objectified.

They think they are being powerful or some such bullshit when the truth is the exact opposite.

[uppityperson]

148. True. Those young women should let their chosen guy hump them rather than random guy

I'm series!!!11

[seabeyond]

150. +1. nt

[JackRiddler]

149. When will this country finally take the War on Humping seriously?

[JonLP24]

152. You move your feet

and move your arms. The humping is part of it but there are foot moves. You have to be very coordinated to do it, I could never pull it off. Which is why I never went to the clubs w/ my ex-wife.

[Owl]

157. Totally agree.

[Ron Green]

159. It's mostly about grace and charm,

neither of which is part of the kind of "dancing" discussed here.

When the music has no chord structure, how can the dancing have anything going for it?

[uppityperson]

162. This music has no chord structure, so you say the dancing has nothing going for it?

It isn't graceful either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up2NvzA_B0A

[Ron Green]

172. Actually that is quite charming (and graceful) - I was wrong to tie it to

harmonic structure.

[Forkboy]

160. They should have mosh pits instead.

[JonLP24]

164. LOL

I hope you're not referring to the ones that have people swinging their arms aimlessly? I never understood that or why people would want to be involved in an area where a bunch of people are swinging their arms, hitting whatever and whoever is in their way. If you are referring to something else I apologize. Thanks for the laugh though. :D

[NeedleCast]

169. I think you're confusing "Dancing" and "Things You Don't Like"

This is dancing. It may be dancing you don't like, but it's dancing.

As far as dacning goes, per your OP, I am pretty much void of imagination and talent. I can do the "White Boy" and that's about it (stand in place, move shoulders/arms up and down, bend knees). However, that doesn't mean what I'm doing isn't dancing. Its amature and fairly awful, but it's dancing. Same thing these kids are doing...it's amature and awful, but it's dancing. Trying to re-define a word to fit what you find as suitable dance is fail.

[cbdo2007]

170. That is a kind of dance. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't dancing.

You say in your OP that dances involve some skill, have actual steps, and imagination and talent are involved - I can attest that when I was in high school, 90% of the boy had NO dancing skill or talent of any kind and could hardly keep the beat, so even in high schools there isn't the kind of stuff you like watching on dancing with the stars.

This is an actual dance called "grinding" and is just a small part of what will happen during a song. It is no more impersonal for the girl than it is for the guy but is all jsut about body movement along to the music - which is the definition of dance. They aren't humping, which would just be a ramdom humping action - they are moving along to music. It's dancing.

[The Midway Rebel]

171. I watched some of the videos posted on this thread...

This style of "dance" is on the job training for work in a strip club. Those girls are working for free though. Lots of guys pay 5 to 10 bucks to get a dry hump like that. This is the death of free enterprise capitalism!