Inside The Institute For Basic Life Principles -- The Organization That Inspired 'Taliban Dan' Ad

[Shallah Kali]

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/inside-the-institute-for-basic-life-principles----the-organization-that-inspired-taliban-dan.php

"I watched that ad, that video that the Grayson guy...and after I watched it, I thought, yeah, that's definitely provocative, but I don't think that's an exaggeration to compare Dan Webster and IBPL ideals to the Taliban because, as far as women go, we are reduced to non-personhood status," said Vyckie Garrison, in a wide-ranging interview with TPM.

Garrison, 44, became affiliated with IBLP in her mid-twenties, and followed the Institute's teachings until one of her daughters attempted suicide. She divorced her husband and left the Institute at the age of 41 and now writes about her experiences at the website No Longer Quivering.

What we now call IBLP was founded decades by Bill Gothard, an influential, and deeply conservative minister. In a Time Magazine article written over 30 years ago, Gothard, then 39, was quoted as advising women, attacked by their husbands, to pray, "God, thank you for this beating." His group has existed in different forms, until it was finally incorporated as IBLP about 20 years ago.

According to Garrison, IBLP gets its hooks into evangelical parents by offering them a program for home schooling their children, to protect them from the evils of public schools -- "Satan's indoctrination centers." (Webster's six children have all been home schooled.)

Vyckie's blog http://nolongerquivering.com/


Cult of Character
How the ‘secular’ Character Training Institute is working to build evangelist Bill Gothard’s vision of a First-Century Kingdom of God—one city, one state, one school board, one police force and one mind at a time.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2450/


Sarah Palin, faith-based mayor
How the vice-presidential nominee brought fringe biblical teachings to her work as the chief of Wasilla, Alaska.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/18/palin_iacc

[baldguy]

1. But, but ... Grayson's ad took Webster out of context!!!!

:sarcasm:

[gratuitous]

2. Webster should sue for definition of character

Actually, all Webster would have to do is say that he doesn't really think women should be treated as chattel property, but all his reactionary pals would ostracize him, so that's not going to happen. Instead, he whines about how he was talking to men in the clip, so his views on women don't really enter into it; which doesn't address the truth of the matter, but his whining apparently resonated with some people, even some people who should know better.

[Shallah Kali]

4. that is the only thing grayson did wrong. ole dan never denies he thinks the wimminz should submit

or that he wants to force victims of rape and incest to bear their violator's offspring.

or that he wanted to make it harder for women - or anyone - to divorce their spouse even if abusive though covenant marriage law.

note he never denies those things only howls that he was taken out of context. never mind the full context of his speech still implys that it is women's job to submit since it is up to them to pray what they are supposed to do.

[Shallah Kali]

3. Article: Biblical stoning advocate on Alan Grayson, Daniel Webster & the submission of wives

Biblical stoning advocate on Alan Grayson, Daniel Webster & the submission of wives
Bruce Wilson
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/4/123711/633


Does Florida Republican congressional candidate Dan Webster old Taliban-esque views? The religious right is doing its absolute best to bury the truth about Daniel Webster's over 3-decade, close relationship with Bill Gothard, and the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer, an advocate for "Biblical stoning" who has compared gay sex to "domestic terrorism", says Alan Grayson got it all wrong about Daniel Webster and female submission.

Here's the context - last week, from the right over to the liberal John Stewart Show, media lambasted Webster's political opponent Alan Grayson, contending for a Congressional seat in Florida's 8th district, for taking Webster's words out of context, in a recent Grayson political attack ad.

But the words Grayson took "out of context" were from a speech Webster gave at a 2009 Nashville conference of an evangelist, Bill Gothard, who has been preaching a doctrine of female submission for over three decades, and Daniel Webster has been close to Bill Gothard for over three decades as well

As I've detailed in a recent Alternet story, Alan Grayson's GOP Opponent Directly Tied to Christian Group That Wants Permanent Subordination of Women, Daniel Webster's intimate, over three decade long involvement with evangelist Bill Gothard appears similar to a classic guru-disciple or mentor-pupil relationship and has included speaking multiple times at Gothard's conferences, traveling with Gothard to Korea in 1996, using Bill Gothard's material to homeschool his six children, making an instructional video for Gothard's Institute For Basic Life Principles, and, when Webster became speaker of the Florida legislature in 1996, hiring four of Gothard's IBLP employees as high-level Florida State House staffers.

Much more at the link so please click through: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/10/4/123711/633


For more on gothard and other religious radicals in the US I recomend these sites:
Talk2Action http://www.talk2action.org/

RightWingWatch from People for the American Way http://www.talk2action.org/

Theocracy Watch http://www.theocracywatch.org/

dogemperor's blog - an escapee of a fundamentalist family who now writes on cults http://dogemperor.dailykos.com