Water forms on the moon.... how weird is that.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100923190805.htm


ScienceDaily (Sep. 26, 2010) — Scientists have discovered a new type of solar wind interaction with airless bodies in our solar system. Magnetized regions called magnetic anomalies, mostly on the far side of the Moon, were found to strongly deflect the solar wind, shielding the Moon's surface. This will help scientists understand the solar wind behaviour near the lunar surface and how water may be generated in its upper layer.

[Confusious]

1. comets are water, there's water on moons of jupiter

so I don't really think it's weird. 1 oxygen, 2 hydrogen.

what is weird is hydrocarbons and amino acids forming in space. they are complex molecules.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. It is entirely possible that they are assembled by electromagnetic

forces... by that I mean actual frequencies, code if you will.... woo if you won't.

[MineralMan]

4. And upon what scientific principle do you base that?

Can you explain further? What's the frequency?

Bring hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms together and you get water, plus a flame. Nothing else is required. The reaction requires nothing more.

[trotsky]

7. HD has a Google alert programmed for the word "magnetism."

And thinks any mention of it, in any context, somehow supports the crackpot theory that the sun is powered by lightning.

No, really.

[MineralMan]

9. Well, I don't know that, but I learned about the reaction of

hydrogen and oxygen when I was 10 years old. Seems like a chemistry class might be in order, or an elementary book on chemistry, even.

My little chemistry set showed me how to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen gas, using a handy 1.5V battery and a couple of electrodes. It even showed me how to collect the gas in a couple of test tubes. Then, it showed how to run both through some tubing and have it mix. Cute little colorless flame and water vapor on a mirror. No match required.

A fascinating experiment for a 10 year old. For my next experiment, I made what was called in the chemistry set manual "brown sulfur dye." We had to air out the house for several hours after that one. From then on, I had to consult with a parent before doing any of the experiments, and was frequently banished to the outdoors for my experiments. :rofl:

The next year, I got a stereo microscope, so the chemistry set got abandoned forever. The middle 1950s were great years.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. What's the frequency Kenneth was the phrase.... and I haven't a

clue, but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for electromagnetic forces to affect the assemblage of various atoms, and or their building blocks. I'm not saying there is proof, but is there proof to the contrary? Dunno.

[MineralMan]

11. Well, you see, science works on the principle of testing

hypotheses to see if they're valid. How has yours been tested? What experiments have you performed to indicate that any external forces are needed oxygen and hydrogen to combine to form water? Lots of experiments, done almost daily in high school chemistry classes have shown that no such forces are required. In fact, it's almost impossible to prevent that reaction.

I guess you're so far ahead of science you don't have to actually discuss it any longer.

To close, I'm aware of the original quote. However, since I don't actually know if your name is Kenneth, I hesitated to use the name, in case you might be offended at my presumption. I'm pretty sure your name isn't Hystery or Diagnosis, so that wouldn't do. I am, however glad to see that my reference wasn't lost on you. That shows a lively knowledge of trivia on your part. :hug:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. A tad testy but reasonably so. Everything you see so say was created

in stars and stars are hugely magnetic. It goes without saying that electromagnetism affects the assembly of molecules in one way or another.

[Confusious]

5. atoms are not held together by electromagnetic forces

If that was so, how would the atom ever have formed? how do a bunch of positive protons decide to clump together and overcome their "electromagnetic charge"? similar interests?

strong force. Saying an electromagnetic force did it is woo.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Not that I support the "actual frequency" remark above, but atoms are held together by EM forces

You appear to be arguing about the nucleus, not the atom. Atoms (ie the combination of electrons with a nucleus - and remember the most common nucleus in the universe is the single proton in hydrogen) and molecules are all about the electromagnetic force.

[Confusious]

12. we were talking about the formation of water

so yes, I was talking about the nucleus.

electrons may be part of of the electromagnetic force, creating EMF as they move from atom to atom, or create or absorb light as they move from shell to shell in the cloud, but their orbit about the nucleus is not dependent on it. If it was just about positive/ negative, they would all orbit as close to the nucleus as possible, or fall in.

The electron maybe be about EMF, but the nucleus is not and there is more holding an atom together then just EMF.

strong interaction
weak interaction
electromagnetic
angular momentum

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. No, the strong force is only effective inside the nucleus; the atom is formed by the EM force

The Strong Force

A force which can hold a nucleus together against the enormous forces of repulsion of the protons is strong indeed. However, it is not an inverse square force like the electromagnetic force and it has a very short range. Yukawa modeled the strong force as an exchange force in which the exchange particles are pions and other heavier particles. The range of a particle exchange force is limited by the uncertainty principle. It is the strongest of the four fundamental forces

Since the protons and neutrons which make up the nucleus are themselves considered to be made up of quarks, and the quarks are considered to be held together by the color force, the strong force between nucleons may be considered to be a residual color force. In the standard model, therefore, the basic exchange particle is the gluon which mediates the forces between quarks. Since the individual gluons and quarks are contained within the proton or neutron, the masses attributed to them cannot be used in the range relationship to predict the range of the force. When something is viewed as emerging from a proton or neutron, then it must be at least a quark-antiquark pair, so it is then plausible that the pion as the lightest meson should serve as a predictor of the maximum range of the strong force between nucleons.


The Electromagnetic Force

One of the four fundamental forces, the electromagnetic force manifests itself through the forces between charges (Coulomb's Law) and the magnetic force, both of which are summarized in the Lorentz force law. Fundamentally, both magnetic and electric forces are manifestations of an exchange force involving the exchange of photons . The quantum approach to the electromagnetic force is called quantum electrodynamics or QED. The electromagnetic force is a force of infinite range which obeys the inverse square law, and is of the same form as the gravity force.

The electromagnetic force holds atoms and molecules together. In fact, the forces of electric attraction and repulsion of electric charges are so dominant over the other three fundamental forces that they can be considered to be negligible as determiners of atomic and molecular structure. Even magnetic effects are usually apparent only at high resolutions, and as small corrections.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/forces/funfor.html

(My bolding)

The article is about the formation of water due to interaction with the protons in the solar wind. A hydrogen nucleus is just a proton. The protons are combining with oxygen atoms, which are constituents of the material already on on the Moon, to form water. There are no new or different nuclei being formed. The combination of electrons into atoms, or molecules, is entirely governed by QED.

[Confusious]

16. I got my crap confused

I was talking about water forming and then went off into the nucleus. I hadn't noticed until it said molecules forming. water is a molecule. f**k

frequency stuff is total bull though.

I still disagree that the the electromagnetic force is the main force holding the atom together. I can and did find other web pages that will say the others are just as important.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_forces_hold_the_various_parts_of_an_atom_together

while it is the main force that holds molecules together.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

18. I don't know, look at how DU holds together and then go hmmmm.

[Paulie]

3. Not so wierd

Time and temperature works a lot of magic. Carbon likes to hang out with other elements, with four free bonds it's like a hug machine to hydrogen, oxygen and the occasional nitrogen. :)

[Confusious]

6. Well all the articles I read about titan

the scientists were surprised, amazed, delighted to see a hydrocarbon sky.

weird is kinda close, but doesn't cover it.

[JoeyTrib]

14. Didn't we bomb the moon to find water or something?

I have no clue what is going on in this thread. :dunce:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. The moon was housing suspected terrorists, therefore we

droned upon it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. The Magnetic Anomalies only need to be dug up

to reveal the source of their power.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

20. I see.... faster than light stuff cracks me up too....

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/faster-than-light-pulsars-aas-100119.html




In this case, a faster-than-light current would pass through certain rapidly spinning stars. This would cause positively charged atoms in the star to move in one direction and negatively charged atoms would move in another. Each individual particle would move slower than the speed of light, but the wave of movement would pass through the star at a rate more rapid than light speed.

"No laws of physics were broken or harmed in this production," said researcher John Singleton of Los Alamos National Laboratory in Los Alamos, N. M. "This is not science fiction; it's real."

Singleton and his colleague Andrea Schmidt, also of Los Alamos, proposed this process to explain how certain mysterious stars called pulsars shine. These stars are very dense and rapidly spinning, and emit a beam of light like a lighthouse. Exactly how pulsars do this has been a mystery.



>>"This essentially is a completely new approach to pulsars, so will be treated with a great deal of hostility until it settles in," Singleton said.<<

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Interesting Read also the link in the article to the.

Alcubierre warp drive

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060308_exotic_drive.html

[Ichingcarpenter]

23. Lake Vostok in Antarctica also has a huge Magnetic anomaly

he electronic newspaper Antarctic Sun (www.polar.org), which soon became the main source of information on the Lake Vostok magnetic anomaly, stated that during the initial flight of the SOAR (Support Office for Aerophysical Research), aimed at conducting magnetic resonance imaging over the area, the magnetometer recorded an increase of 1,000 nanoteslas beyond the 60,000 nanoteslas which characterized the Vostok Station.

Scientists had expected to find magnetic anomalies in the range of 500 to 600 nanoteslas in areas where volcanic material could be located, but the ranges encountered were simply startling.
“This anomaly is so large that it cannot be the product of a daily change in the magnetic field,” stated Michael Studinger, one of the researchers involved in the mapping endeavor.

Also significant was the sheer size of the anomaly: 65 by 46 square miles. According to the mission’s geological team, the anomaly’s size and severity pointed to the fact that geological changes had taken place under the lake, suggesting the possibility that it was a place where “the earth’s crust was thinner.”

Australian geologist Harry Mason summarized the subject thus: “The magnetic anomaly’s sheer size and intensity suggest the presence of a large ultrabase component under this section of Lake Vostok at the surface of the continental crust rock, in other words, on the old surface prior to the ice formation.”

http://www.s8int.com/water11.html


The link gives both pseudo and real science stories on the Lake in the article links.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

21. Dupe

[JoeyTrib]

24. Okee dokee.

:rofl: