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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:16 PM
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Gold-and-Silver Trading Biggest Scam in History, Financial Armageddon Could Result
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:18 PM by Roland99
Gold-and-Silver Trading Biggest Scam in History, Financial Armageddon Could Result
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-pappalardo/gold-silver-trading-bigge_b_706594.html

For those with a good memory, this is the promised follow up to my piece on the manipulation of the silver market and its very scary ramifications. Before we get into the possible end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it details, a recap is in order. Andrew Maguire of London blew the whistle on JP Morgan Chase's very likely profound manipulation of the silver market to the CFTC. As financial government watchdog agencies are wont to do these days, they did their best to sweep it all under the carpet. How the SEC handled Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme is a prime example of this. This matter is not a Ponzi scheme, but it is the largest scam ever, going into the trillions of dollars territory. But back to Maguire, who was quite determined to clean up the business of commodities trading. He goes public with powerful compelling evidence of JP Morgan Chase's manipulation of the silver market. This happens on a Kingsworld radio show. The next day someone tries to kill him by ramming a car into Maguire's car. Maguire and his wife, who was also in the car, are hurt pretty bad but survive. After this, in their infinite wisdom, the commodities watchdog the CFTC decides to have a meeting with most of the key players in commodities trading but exclude Maguire from attending. At this meeting a secret is revealed that could easily tear apart the fabric of our barely functional financial system. The secret is that for every 100 ounces of gold and for every 100 ounces of silver traded on paper there is only one actual ounce of gold and one actual once of silver to back up these trades. Given that yearly there are trillions of gold and silver traded on paper, this is the literally biggest scam in the history of scams. Now the guy who let this cat out of the bag didn't think it was a big deal, using the logic that as long as the buyer was paid the value of his purchase at the time he wants to sell it doesn't matter if his purchase was backed up by an actual commodity. This cavalier attitude does seem to reflect the mindset of people working in our financial system that everything is smoke and mirrors except the money being exchanged.

It is quite possible and even probable that someone with enough financial resources and the will to do it could turn our financial system upside down and make an enormous profit from it. This person would have to have no loyalty to western currency and the financial well-being of western countries. So let's assume a very wealthy Asian wants to take a shot at getting into Bill Gates' wealth status. From what I gather, the game plan would be a simple one. That is, buy enormous amounts of what I like to call the paper version of silver and gold and buy even more actual silver and gold. Then start a run on Comex by demanding to replace your paper with actual gold and silver. The next part is for me admittedly a bit fuzzy, so my play by play of this could be off a bit, but I believe the general idea fits the situation. Given that commodities' trading is a relatively small community, if the player of this scenario has purchased enough of these metals and starts demanding their paper be replaced with the real thing, their demands should cut fairly deep into Comex reserves and then the rumor mill will kick in big time. It shouldn't take long for the word to get out that there is more paper of gold and silver out than actual gold and silver exists to back it up. Once this gets on the street it should not take long for the Comex reserves to get wiped out. Then financial chaos is right around the corner. However as chaos swirls around them, those that possess actual silver and gold will see their investment shoot up, perhaps skyrocket in value. I believe a conservative estimate would be to rise anywhere from two to four times in value. However given the volatility of anything financial these days I fully expect it to zoom to five to ten times in value.

That's the good news if you are sitting on actual gold and silver, but the bad news is really, really, really bad because the basis for all valuation including the stock market, the dollar, the euro, etc., is gold and silver. Remove silver and gold from the valuation process, and as one financial analyst recently told me, the stock market probably drops to 25 percent of its value the dollar probably loses 30 percent of its value and so on. These figures are guesswork and possibly conservative, but what is not a guess is that the value of stocks, the dollar, the euro and more will lose big chunks of their value enough to throw our fragile financial system into chaos. The value of silver and gold are bedrocks for building the valuation of currencies the stock market and other financial entities. Remove a bedrock and the house comes tumbling down, or at least a good part of it, probably most of it.

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Between silver and gold, silver gives the much stronger appearance of giving an investor a more viable short term reward. Since the DOJ and SEC started investigating JP Morgan Chase's very likely manipulation of silver, you no longer see silver pushed down hard after it has rallied up. In fact an interesting phenomenon has taken place recently regarding silver. Silver and gold used to be joined at the hip in that both would go up and down together as a matter of course. However, silver has continued to go up regardless of when gold goes down. Even more remarkably, silver has recently continued to go up even if the stock market goes down. This shocking behavior of silver only strengthens the case that JP Morgan was manipulating the silver market. That the silver market has such staying power is not really surprising given the big picture of high deficits, a weak dollar, a weak euro. Silver stands out as a relatively safe investment perhaps the safest investment anyone with a some extra money can make. Right now its just under $20 an ounce which is a whole lot more affordable for the average person than gold at around $1250 per ounce.





And keep this thread in mind, too:

Gold 2008! JP Morgan Fixes Prices and the Saudis Snag 180 Tons, Cheap
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=9025200

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:21 PM
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1. I think about that in many things. As a metaphor.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:25 PM by RandomThoughts
Best to have some initials on the gold and silver, then if they use it for wrong, it opens an access into their entire vault.

A form of trip wire.

Part of the advantages of giving I think. I often wonder why some don't realize that, and laugh about those that have not given money for beer and travel, and many good experiences.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:26 PM
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2. Whenever you meet a goldbug, just say 1968 and walk away.
They're selling fear and a dystopian fantasy. If things go the way they say it will, silver and gold will be a shiny curiosity, valued only for it's conductive and anti-corrosive properties. The "rich" people will be those that invested in Spam, seeds/grains, and firearms.


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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:41 PM
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3. cant eat gold or silver. :)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:04 PM
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5. While long guns will help you shoot some food, but
the Spam will make you sick over a long period of time and the seeds are only good if they're fresh, saved from last year.

While I realize paranoid fantasies are attractive to some people, the best hedge in the world is knowledge, especially knowledge that's shared among any cohesive group.

However, yes, investment in precious metals usually serves to separate fools from their money pretty efficiently. Stories abounded during the Depression of formerly well off people trading expensive gold and silver items for a meal or two at a diner while they roamed around looking for work, any work.

When the price of gold starts to outpace the rate of inflation, look out! That's exactly what has happened over the last three years and that means there is a bubble market being manipulated at the top.

If you find gold or silver items that are beautiful and that you will use, go for it. Just don't consider it any sort of investment, not now.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:37 PM
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6. Same thing goes with oil for the most part
a lot of speculation/manipulation going on.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:29 PM
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10. It just struck me
I usually say "gold has some industrial uses", but those uses will pretty much be out the window if the US Dollar collapsed. So not even that excuse works.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:27 PM
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9. Yup. If they're right, we need to invest in shotguns, bottled water, and canned food
Because nothing else will be worth a damn thing.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:43 PM
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4. Ya think?
:rofl: LET THE GAME$ CONTINUE!!! :rofl:
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:39 PM
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7. The Hunt Brothers tried this in 1979
They went broke when the Government intervened to stop their attempt.

http://www.buyandhold.com/bh/en/education/history/2000/hunt_bros.html
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:19 PM
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8. Think..The Hunt Brothers! eom
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:35 PM
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11. My simple reply to people who "urge" me to buy gold...
them: when society collapses, what are you going to use for money? paper money will be worthless.

Me: when society collapses, you can't eat gold. A peach will be worth more than you could possible afford.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:34 PM
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12. I think I might start investing in tulips
:)

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:16 PM
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14. Not often you get to see 17th-century finance jokes
Well played, sir.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:21 PM
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15. Many thanks
:toast:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:42 PM
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18. Witty reply on many levels. :)
Cheers!
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:13 PM
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13. Gold certs are a derivative. It's a futures entity not real gold. Article is confusing apples with

oranges. You can manipulate the gold price by trading
futures but not by much. Maybe less than 10% on futures
trading alone. Another 10-20% by manipulating USDs

Physical gold will always rebound to its true market price
based on world supply of bullion.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:24 PM
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16. I believe the basis for the article lies in the silver manipulation by JPMorgan Chase
and probably feeding off the gold bug craze that's infected the likes of Beck

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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:06 PM
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17. JPMC are trading derivatives not real gold. As I said gold rebounds up wards

in reaction to large bullion purchases, usually by Central
Banks such as the recent 100 tonne purchase of bullion by
the Chinese. If gold did not rebound upward according to
S/D then futures traders would have no reason to short it
with futures contracts.

The gold market is manipulated but gold has market price
based on S/D. That price is around $1200 per oz right now.

Currently gold is trading between $1291-$1296 on a 10 day
average. That five dollar margin is what the traders are
making their daily bread on. Long term gold can be manipulated
down short trading by large institutions like it was in 2007-2008
when gold went from $1000 oz to the mid $700 range.

Then came the banking 'crisis' and gold has moved steadily up
ever since. That rebound saw gold return too its 'real'
market price due I think to the liquidity crisis in Sept 2008.
When the mortgage bubble blew the banks found themselves short
on assets and liquidity freeing gold to rebound on its own. IMHO.

I'm no expert but I think that's what happened.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 06:12 AM
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19. Perhaps you haven't read this?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:49 PM
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20. Gatta has been trying to put wheels on gold price manipulation since 2002
Edited on Thu Sep-23-10 05:02 PM by Monk06
No joy yet. Blanchard tried to sue Barrick way back
nothing came of that either.

Whatever sweetheart deal exists between JBMC and Barrick
has proved so far impossible to unravel. It has its roots in
a forward sales price depression scheme when gold was $290 oz

Here's an old story about it
http://newsmine.org/content.php?ol=cabal-elite/international-banking/gold-scam/blanchard-company-gold-manipulation-lawsuit.txt.

I'm not saying the gold market is not highly manipulated. It is. I'm saying physical gold (bullion)has a market
price based on above ground supply and it returns to its market price after attempts to short it run their course.

This usually occurs when futures traders short gold and banks go on a dollar defense by buying more dollar reserves. Japan recently did this in response to large purchases of gold by China although that was not the reason given.

The dollar will eventually lose its status as the worlds default reserve currency. Gold is the means by which governments will insulate themselves from the dollars demise as a basket of world currencies take its place.
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