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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:02 PM
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Failure of Bill Repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Could Hurt Democrats in Midterms



Failure of Bill Repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Could Hurt Democrats in Midterms
by Eve Conant
September 21, 2010

In the wake of a Senate vote not to advance the Defense Authorization Bill, the current iteration of which included an amendment that would have repealed "don't ask, don't tell," the 17-year-old ban on gays and lesbians serving openly in the military, some gay-rights advocates predicted grim ramifications for Democrats in November.

Speculation has turned to how the vote could affect Democratic prospects in the upcoming midterm elections, with LGBT advocates saying that today's disappointment could hurt voter turnout. "The problem with what's going on here is that younger activists are not going to volunteer," says Lt. Dan Choi, who was formally discharged this summer and has been a leading activist in the fight to repeal DADT. He adds that the LGBT community has long expected a fight with Republicans on the issue, and that today's shock and disappointment are directed at the other party: " are going to come to us in November and say, 'We did our best,' and how they do more for us than Republicans. we are facing a schoolyard bully, and we expect him to punch us in the face, but we don't expect our friends not to face him down."

Richard Socarides, a former adviser to Bill Clinton on gay and lesbian issues, says the administration will need to act quickly to repair relations with the LGBT community, which overwhelmingly supported Obama in the 2008 presidential election and has since been disappointed by the president's inaction on gay issues. "Clearly, from Obama on down they waited too long and miscalculated what the benefits of going slow motion on this would be," says Socarides. "Now they are seeing the consequences. We'll be looking to Obama to make good on his promise to end the discharges. If Congress is not ready to act, then the president needs to."

Socarides suggests an executive order to end the discharges: "The gay community wants to continue supporting the administration, but we are looking for Obama to acknowledge that things have gone badly and to change course." While the LGBT community would be unlikely to turn out for Republicans in November, Socarides says the disillusionment is sure to dampen enthusiasm. "The Democrats are certainly better than the alternative," he says, "but this was not a profile in courage today. It's hard to understand what anyone was thinking here in terms of strategy."

Former Democratic strategist Paul Yandura, who has worked closely with the gay-rights advocacy group GetEQUAL to fight for repeal of DADT, also sees a need for Democrats to win back the support of the LGBT community. "At the beginning of 2009, many in the community were chastised for being impatient and demanding that our friends and allies set the groundwork necessary to pass repeal of DADT immediately," he says. "Instead, the Democratic leadership and President Obama decided to kick the can down the road, and we are now paying the price for their lack of leadership."

Yandura adds, "The debate within the community has centered on whether the Democrats are truly unable or just unwilling to make good on their campaign promises, but no matter which you believe, there is no scenario where it gets easier for them after the midterms, so we need to seriously reconsider where we put our resources moving forward."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2010/09/21/failure-to-repeal-don-t-ask-don-t-tell-could-hurt-democrats-in-november.html


The Senate Democrats and the White House have lots of options to pass the repeal of DADT in this session of the Senate.

1. Democrats can and should allow the debate continue in the Senate. Don't withdraw the bill and keep the Senate in session until 60 votes are obtained to end the debate. In fact, Senator Reid has the power to use Senate Rule 22 to force Republicans to engage in a real filibuster on the Senate floor if he so chooses.

2. Senator Reid has the power to end his "two-track" procedure whereby the Senate can take up other Senate business while a bogus pretend Republican filibuster is taking place in opposition to repeal of DADT. Don't limit the debate! Let the Republicans tie up the Senate until hell freezes over. Don't let them go home! Bring out the cots. Let's test their resolve.

3. Senator Reid has the power to keep the Senate in session around the clock and can call upon Democratic Senators to take and hold the Senate floor in support of repealing DADT until such time as Republicans decide they want to end the "debate" so they cango home.

4. Senator Reid can use the "Constitutional Option" to prevent any kind of Republican filibuster and have an up and down vote on the repeal measure.

5. President Obama can weigh in and work hard to support the repeal of DADT. He can sign an executive order. Tokenism isn't acceptable.

BBI
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:05 PM
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1. Of course it will. That was the whole point of blocking it. n/t
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:05 PM
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2. Hurt voter turnout huh?
So people are going to stay home and let it get worse, rather than doing the right thing. People that expect miracles in less than 2 years are about as clueless as the garden variety teabagger.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:09 PM
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5. How about the Democrats just passing the repeal. They have the power to do that.

I'm tired of hearing lame excuses for not demonstrating leadership and constant whining about pretend Republican "filibusters".

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:26 PM
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12. It would take a "miracle" for the Democratic majority in the Senate to repeal DADT in 2 years?
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 10:27 PM by Better Believe It
"People that expect miracles in less than 2 years are about as clueless as the garden variety teabagger."

Well, that attitude will certainly win a lot of political support from the gay community.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:04 PM
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30. What? Kiss their ass so they'll do the right thing?
Like I said, clueless.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:05 AM
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22. Apparently they think letting Republicans take over...
... will improve their chances at getting DADT repealed.

:shrug:

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 07:15 AM
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33. That's about the only thing I can figure
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:08 PM
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3. The Pugs blocked it, why should the Dems lose support? n/t
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:11 PM
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8. The Democrats let the Republicans block it. They don't have to withdraw the bill.

Keep it on the floor of the Senate until they get 60 votes and keep the Senate in session.

They are also several other options Democrats can use to get DADT repealed which are listed in the OP.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:26 AM
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34. The Bill never made it to the floor for debate
It was blocked from ever getting to the floor. You can't debate a bill that is not on the floor.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:13 PM
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LonePirate Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:09 PM
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4. Reid doesn't have the guts to keep the Senate in session. His campaigning amounts to tacit bigotry.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:09 PM
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6. see, there are more options...
so everyone weeping and wailing that we're screwn is being a little drama-queenish...
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:17 PM
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you actually think something is going to be done?
grow up these are Democrats ie believe in nothing , will not fight for anything, have no backbone, but they're better than repubs, just scared
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:10 PM
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7. The party of NO blocks the bill, the M$M uses it to paint the Democrats as failures
Of course, mission accomplished by the radical right.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:17 PM
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10. So who is running the Senate? The Republican minority?

If top Democrats in the Senate would use their power (they should pretend they have a majority in the Senate .... oh .... they do!) and act like fricken leaders instead of easy to roll over whimps DADT would be repealed.

The right-wing Republicans must be very pleased with yet another Democratic capitulation and surrender.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:18 PM
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11. no fight who loves a coward?
nt
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:58 PM
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15. Public option. Watered down financial bill. Rinse, repeate.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:56 PM
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13. Obama's reward for backing Blanche Lincoln....She gets to be Bette and he gets to be.....Joan lol
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:57 PM
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14. The Republican Senate strategy works again.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:04 PM
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17. With a whole lot of help from some Senate Democrats who refuse to fight them.

And refuse to use their power in the Senate to stop them.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:19 PM
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18. There have been no fights in the Senate this year?
The whole Senate and anyone who works within 10 miles of it will be surprised to hear that.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:45 AM
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29. There have been. And Republicans have come out on top most of the time.

Especially when Democrats fight with both hands behind their backs by surrending to Republican "pretend" filibusters and obstructionism.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:00 PM
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16. Appointing Elizabeth Warren could hurt the Dems.
Winning the election could hurt the Dems.

Oh well.

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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:24 PM
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19. 43 people are running the Senate.
The last time I checked 51 was a majority of 100, but my math could be off. If the Dems keep control of the Senate the filibuster should be on the chopping block. The US Senate is completely useless.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:27 AM
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27. That isn't going to happen. The filibuster is unfortunately going to stay as is.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:27 AM by 4lbs
It is a Senate procedural rule.

To change such a procedural rule, you need a 2/3 majority of the Senate.

That means 67 votes, to change the number of votes needed to override the filibuster, or eliminate it altogether.

You think any Republicans would be crazy enough to be part of the 67, when they won't even be part of the 60 for cloture of nearly every bill?

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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:01 AM
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20. But filibustering the bill will be great for Republicans? n/t
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:04 AM
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21. And if it had been repealed....they'd write that would hurt it too......
Fuck these stories.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:08 PM
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31. FTW! Exactly. nt
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:12 PM
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32. Exactly! Everyone should stop falling for MSM tricks. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:09 AM
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23. Anyone who believes that has allowed themselves to be manipulated by the MSM - again.
I think Democrats are much smarter than that. Real Democrats, that is.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:15 AM
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24. So shocked at this.
Shocked.

Beat me with a wire hanger.






(Grab a textbook)
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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:22 AM
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25. I dont understand this at all
The basic premise of this article is retarded. So let me get this straight, because the democrats put DADT up for a vote and the repubs voted against it, that means that gay activists will be unlikely to vote for dems? There is no logic or reason to this guys argument, how does crap like this get published?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:25 AM
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26. The reason stories and articles get published
Is, well, you know. :eyes:


Controversy! Intra-Party CIVIL WAR! Obama doean't care about the Smurfs!

Broadway Date-Night! The First Lady cut her hair! (The First Lady might be a lesbian!)



Same bullshit, mostly same writers.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:30 AM
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28. I think this vote will bother Americans and it will hurt the GOP.
Polls have shown now for years that Americans favor ending DADT.

This underscores what most Americans know: Republicans are bigots.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:33 AM
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35. The problem with the "Executive Order" option is that it can be reversed easily.
And the "Constitutional Option" isn't much of an option.
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