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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 06:56 PM
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Fish kill picture


Fish carcasses from massive fish kill
Fish carcasses from a massive fish kill in the Bay Jimmy area of Plaquemines Parish are pictured in this handout photograph taken on September 16, 2010and released on September 17. The cause of the fish kill has not yet been determined, but the fish were discovered in an area that was heavily impacted by oil from the BP oil spill. Among the fish dead were pogie fish, redfish, shrimp, crabs and freshwater eels. REUTERS/Plaquemines Parish Government/Handout


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 06:57 PM
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1. Recommended.
My brother e-mailed me a large version of this yesterday. It makes me sick.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:09 PM
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2. Horrifying...just horrifying.
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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:10 PM
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3. Damn
Speechless
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:11 PM
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4. How horrendous. I'm sure that isn't the only spot.
Since the controversy has died down, now that the well is plugged, BP probably believes they are off the hook for a lot less than suspected.

I hope they are proven wrong and end up paying thru the nose.
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:10 PM
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34. BP is off the hook for a lot less than they expected.
However I will not blame BP for this kill yet. It could have been oxygen robbing farming chemicals as well. I'll wait for scientists to come in with the verdict.

Not that I'm personally letting BP off the hook. I feel they should have every drilling/production license suspended until a full and thorough inspection of all the equipment on each well be inspected by a independent agency to insure they are as safe as possible.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:17 PM
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5. nothing to see here ... move along now ...
:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :cry:

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True Earthling Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:27 PM
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6. Louisiana Dept of Fisheries says fish kill NOT caused by BP oil spill
caused by unusual tide conditions according to NBC news...

http://www.nbc.com/news-sports/msnbc-video/huge-louisia... /
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:31 PM
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8. I'll bet it was the tide...
...the oil-soaked and Corexit filled poison tide from hell.

Please. How dumb do they think we are?

We are so screwed tho and BP knows it. How would anyone ever prove that BP
did this? We can't. They know it and they knew it when they dumped that poison
into the ocean, so they could hide the magnitude of the damage and the amount of
the oil.

They know they can get away with it.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:52 PM
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25. I'd like to see some independent testing done.
Then we'd know if it was oil and corexit. Of course the government's BP Overlords will never permit that to happen.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:34 PM
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9. And you believe everything said simply because some government authority said it?
I know, corporations and governments never, ever lie.

I wonder if we'll ever get to the real truth about what happened/happening in the GOM?

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True Earthling Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:42 PM
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11. Plaquemines fish kill is unrelated to BP oil spill, state says
"When the tide is low, it becomes a pool," she said. "We had a low tide and all the fish got trapped" in water less than 2 feet deep.
Hot water holds less oxygen than cold water, and heat speeds metabolisms so plants and animals need more oxygen. The fish suffocated because the water held too little oxygen to keep them alive, Watkins said.

Such fish kills are common in Louisiana's shallow waters in late summer and early fall.

http://www.nola.com/weather/index.ssf/2010/09/plaquemin...


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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:48 PM
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13. LYING. How come this never happened before? n/t
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True Earthling Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:59 PM
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15. northern Gulf of Mexico is the 2nd largest hypoxic zone worldwide
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 08:02 PM by True Earthling
Hypoxia, or low oxygen, is an environmental phenomenon where the concentration of dissolved oxygen in the water column decreases to a level that can no longer support living aquatic organisms. Hypoxic areas, or "Dead Zones," have increased in duration and frequency across our planet's oceans since first being noted in the 1970s.

The largest hypoxic zone currently affecting the United States, and the second largest hypoxic zone worldwide, is the northern Gulf of Mexico adjacent to the Mississippi River.

Hypoxia was first documented in the northern Gulf of Mexico off the Louisiana coast in 1972. Sporadic occurrences were observed in subsequent years. In 1975 and 1976, two cruises were conducted specifically to map a suspected area of low oxygen along the Louisiana coast. These maps indicated small, disjunct areas of hypoxia. With an increase in oceanographic research in the Gulf of Mexico, more reports of hypoxia emerged.

http://www.gulfhypoxia.net/Overview /
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:26 PM
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16. Similar but not the same
The Gulf hypoxic zone is near the mouth of the Mississippi and is essentially devoid of oxygen year-round. Most sea life wouldnt go into it. This fish-kill is similar in that it was caused by temporary hypoxia. The water is shallow & hot and full of little fishies gulping oxygen. Since the tide had left them stranded, they suffocated. They should collect all the organic matter rotting on the surface. It makes a wonderful fertilizer (sad but true).
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:50 PM
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23. In Defense of The Most EVIL Corporations In Mankind's History
""Hypoxic areas, or "Dead Zones," have increased in duration and frequency across our planet's oceans since first being noted in the 1970s.""

Dead Zones have increased exponentially since THE FU*KING DAMN SH*TSTAIN GREED PIG MOTHER FU*KER AS*HOLE EVIL BAS*ARD SH*THEAD CORPORATIONS DUMPED MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF THEIR EVIL TOXIC SH*T INTO THE GULF WATERS, WHERE UNTOLD NUMBER OF AQUATIC ANIMALS ARE TRYING TO LIVE.

these evil sh*tstains need to rot in hell for eternity, right along with the people that defend them.
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 03:12 AM
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39. Look at this...
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 03:16 AM by Lagomorph
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_kill

I read they had a low tide that stranded a lot of fish in a 2 foot deep pond. The suns heat raised the temperature of the water and the fish suffocated.

I have no idea if there was oil or dispersant involved. There must have been some in there and I'm sure it didn't help.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 08:51 AM
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53. It has been happening for couple decades where have you been.
The mouth of Mississippi is the largest dead zone in the world. No oxygen = no life.

All the fertilizer from farming across hundreds of miles along the Mississippi gets washed into the river. The algae reproduce massively on this abundant (an unnatural) food supply. In doing so they drop the oxygen levels to critical areas.

There is absolutely no life at the mouth of Mississippi and there hasn't been for decades. If you go scuba diving it is simply sand. Miles and miles and miles of sand. No plants, no fish, no coral, nothing. Just sand. A giant undersea desert that stretches as far as the eye can see in every direction.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:35 PM
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19. NOPE
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 08:35 PM by Kalun D
""Such fish kills are common in Louisiana's shallow waters in late summer and early fall.""

no they're fu*king not.

anyone that thinks this is normal needs to go down and spend some time swimming in the gulf.

After all 3/4 of the spill is already gone according to the White House.

After you've swam a couple of days eat plenty of the local seafood, if you can find any fishermen crazy or stupid enough to be fishing.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:37 PM
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20. Not drinking the same high fructose cherry flavor, TE...
In spite of NBC dumping this story into the mainstream.

Imagine that.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:59 PM
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61. I just listened to it. They basically reported what the "official" story line was
Didn't see anything resembling reporting here. They just essentially repeated the official company line. The story should have started with the company line of "Yeah, it happens all of the time....fish trapped.... no oxygen" and advanced with FUCKING REPORTERS DOING SOME FUCKING WORK! to verify what we are being told by the same people that kick the media off the beaches for digging more than 6 inches into the sand.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:02 PM
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27. Corporate Fecal Excrement
""Louisiana Dept of Fisheries says fish kill NOT caused by BP oil spill caused by unusual tide conditions according to NBC news...""

and you actually believed the greed pig corporation's lies?
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True Earthling Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 08:42 AM
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52. It wasn't BP who said it... it was a report from the Louisiana Dept of Wildlife and Fisheries
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:06 PM
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29. Yeah, this was posted several days ago and it was a tidal issue
Strange how susceptible people are to "but I see it with my eyes" type thinking. Oh, well.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:08 PM
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30. Didn't buy it the first time either.
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 09:14 PM by nc4bo
There needs to be a independent investigation but I guess so much biological evidence has been destroyed or is useless after all this time.

I'm not even sure if any physical evidence has been properly cared for.

This entire oil gusher nightmare seems to be nothing but one cover-up after another.

How are we going to prevent this from happening again? What of the deep wells still in place and just as susceptible to failure as the Deepwater Horizon well?



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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:43 PM
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32. This has happened many times before
Don't know what to tell you.

:shrug:
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:48 PM
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59. However fish kills of these extent are not a common occurrence though
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:52 PM by liberation
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:09 PM
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31. Yeah, those stupid fish
they've been living with the tides for eons

and now they suddenly can't figure it out when the tide goes out and they are trapped.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 06:05 AM
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47. Right. They blamed it on the heat.
As this article states, it's abnormally hot there EVERY year.

http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/blog...
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 04:18 AM
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41. Okay thanks for that
I was just going through Yahoo news photos and saw this. I didn't think that there was any definite word yet so I didn't go looking for it.

Thanks
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:28 PM
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7. Just like global warming...this is natural...
...and part of the typical Earth animal fish cycle of life or death.

Man had nothing to do with this. What? You don't think a fish ever died before?

:sarcasm:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:51 PM
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24. It's normal this time of year.
The young dead whale they found nearby is too.


:kick:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:05 PM
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28. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 12:34 AM
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35. I guess the sarcasm thingie would have helped.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 01:37 AM
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36. Good Video Of The Devastation
but the thread is archived, I can't post to it.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 02:00 AM
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37. Accepted.
Thanks for viewing it. The official story is that the gulf dolphins somehow escaped largely intact. The official count is 92 known deaths. Of course we don't know how many perished in the deep, were eaten by sharks, or were blocked from media/scientist view by BP.

I don't recall having seen your name during the critical months of the disaster but I may have missed you. In any event, thanks for your input.
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Vehl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:36 PM
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10. This is sick!
:(
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:44 PM
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12. Recommend -- people here have worked very hard to debunk
This as normal shallow water kill.

Not buying it.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 07:49 PM
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14. I've seen fish kills from low oxygen
They weren't like this.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:28 PM
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17. I dont see why it couldnt happen as they described
but its odd just to see SO MANY fish concentrated in a small tidal pool. Is that normal? I dont know. Maybe they were fleeing more adverse conditions in the open ocean (read: oil & corexit).
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:38 PM
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21. Then You Should Take a Long Swim
If you think this is normal, prove it to us. Go for a swim then eat some local seafood for dinner.

""Is that normal?""

of course not, not several species at once including whales.

yeah and miles of 2 inch thick oil on the ocean floor, mixed with Corexit, yeah, that's "normal"
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:52 PM
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26. "not several species at once including whales"
B.I.N.G.O.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 01:24 PM
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54. one point
The whale and fish kill where separate incidents, 100 miles apart.

Look, the oil spill sucks. BP should be hung up by their ankles. Does that necessarily mean THIS particular fish kill, THIS dead whale are the result? I DONT KNOW.

I realize we all need to vent our frustration at the situation but lets not become like the ignorant dittoheads who only see what they already believe.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:21 AM
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I've seen fish kills from disease that were
They were that big. Happens a lot in catfish farming. I still see no reason to believe that the oil spill wasn't related.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:33 PM
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18. I believe a little of all of us dies when we let this happen
& as we degrade the environment, we degrade ourselves.
And in the sense that some call the earth our mother,
how can we do this to her?
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:41 PM
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22. Justice LOLZ!!!
The White House says 3/4 of the oil is already "gone"

the White House "justice" department is not pursuing prosecution of BP

The senate won't even pass subpoena power

the biggest environmental crime in world history and the Obama White House is letting the criminals go free.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:54 PM
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33. it might be a while....
....before people rush out and buy sea food from the Gulf....that's a sad picture and an awful waste....

....the criminals who caused this should be going to prison for life....committing crimes against nature and the planet should carry a heavy sentence....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 02:39 AM
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38. >:-(
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 04:02 AM
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40. I see those with a "pictures of dead fish" fetish are out in force again
The fish died in shallow water trapped by an outgoing tide. Just deal with it.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:35 AM
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42. Ignorance fetish
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:36 AM by Cetacea
There were too many species of fish for this to be typical. Throw in a dead whale for good measure. Another two week necropsy report that will never...surface. Just like the others.

Occam's Razor.
Deal with it.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:42 AM
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43. Try reading this
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:45 AM by dipsydoodle
assuming you can read : http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100916-... /

If anything the dead whale helped indicate it was a trapped shallow water issue.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:44 AM
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44. Whales aren't fish. National Geographic also has a fetish, I see.
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:49 AM by Cetacea
The article failed to address the whale. Whales breathe air. Whales eat toxic fish. According to you, whales are now too stupid to figure out the tides.
Take your insults and shove it. Ok? Go find some republicans to insult.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:51 AM
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45. Hence ths significance of shallow water
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:52 AM by dipsydoodle
with which whales cannot possible cope. Those fish died in only a few feet of water. What size whale can cope with that depth where it was physically trapped ?
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:55 AM
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46. A whale would not be there at all unless something was wrong
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:58 AM by Cetacea
The whale contains the secret but is not addressed. Whales have been navigating those waters for a gazillion years.

on edit: whale is not even mentioned in the article.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 06:11 AM
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48. And we can assume it's mother is dead
Sperm whales NEVER split from their young.

That makes more than three dead Gulf Sperm Whales, and minus three is the number cited as their extinction tipping point.

No mention of that either.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 06:31 AM
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49. Here is the original link to the subject
following the findings if you don't believe the depth issue :

Department biologists found the fish kill in Bayou Chaland had nothing to do with the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, Olivia Watkins said.

After the dead fish were found on Friday, Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser asked for an investigation, because oil from the BP spill had affected the area.

Watkins said the area is bounded on one side by a rock dam, with a shallow pass to the Gulf of Mexico on the other.

"When the tide is low, it becomes a pool," she said. "We had a low tide and all the fish got trapped" in water less than 2 feet deep.

http://www.nola.com/weather/index.ssf/2010/09/plaquemin...
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:08 AM
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50. Apparently there have been two more kills since
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Third-fish-kill-reported-in-P...

I'm still not clear where exactly the whale was found? It seems like the articles are just citing the whale as an additional death near the area, but not in the actual kill zone. As an aside, it is a very bad sign that a baby sperm whale was found alone. It is not the only one, either.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:21 AM
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51. I hadn't realised there was more than one incident
This one , the previous one in GD and the original one in LBN all refered to the first such incident within the past couple of weeks.

I agree fully with you that the death of any whale is a tragedy.
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AlecBGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 01:30 PM
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55. fish kill & dead whale
they were seperate incidents, approximately 20 miles apart.

"Plaquemines Parish officials spotted a massive fish kill on Friday. Hundreds of thousands of dead fish were floating west of the Mississippi River, in Bayou Chaland ... Then, on Monday, came the discovery of a dead baby whale near Venice. "
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 03:29 PM
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56. There are multiple causes of fish kills
Ultimately these events are due to a lack of oxygen in the water column. That can be caused by fertilizer run off (i.e. Eutrophication), toxins, tidal events or even lighting strikes.

Athough this looks bad, fish kills are pretty common.
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Roy Rolling Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:10 PM
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57. New Fish Kill cause
With absolutely no proof, I suggest that dispersed oil in the water can interfere with oxygen absorption in the gills of marine animals. When the oil in the water reaches a critical level, it is fatal.

Again, this is not at all a scientific explanation. But I am puzzled that global warming deniers do not back my speculative findings, it is certainly unscientific enough to get the attention of the Koch brothers or Tea party morons.
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JEB Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:15 PM
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58. Too bad is not a floating raft of Oil Executive Carcasses.
Too bad is not a floating raft of Oil Executive Carcasses.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:51 PM
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60. This fish kill was caused by the earthquake in Haiti.
Because the Bible tells me so.
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