Obama mocks liberals during $30,000/plate dinner. Laughter ensues

[DrSteveB]

Democrats, just congenitally, tend to get -- to see the glass as half empty. (Laughter.) If we get an historic health care bill passed -- oh, well, the public option wasn't there. If you get the financial reform bill passed -- then, well, I don't know about this particular derivatives rule, I'm not sure that I'm satisfied with that. And gosh, we haven't yet brought about world peace and -- (laughter.) I thought that was going to happen quicker. (Laughter.) You know who you are. (Laughter.) We have had the most productive, progressive legislative session in at least a generation.

Glenn Greenwald responds: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/...

*note: He clearly did not mean "Democrats" as a whole, as Centrist Democrats support HCR, etc, coupled with the "You know who you are" hint.

[librechik]

1. speaking to the have mores, or as some might say, "my base"

is that your base too now Mr. Obama?

[babylonsister]

2. Greenwald kvetching? Say it isn't so!

[madfloridian]

3. He's laughing at teachers also.

I don't understand why he thinks what he is doing to education is okay.

Yeh, I know who I am.

[Smarmie Doofus]

86. He thinks it's ok because he doesn't *know* any better.

He never attended an American public school and his children have never attended an American public school.

One can't know what one can't know. From personal experience, Obama knows *nothing*.

Therefore, he relies on the expertise of the braintrust... preppies all... to advise him on pubic ed policy.

"Reform" sounds like a good policy to have.... despite the fact that, as practiced, it is in fact the OPPOSITE of real reform.

Obama's interest in this area, alas , does not , extend beyond the superficial and the political. (See sentence #1)

[janx]

148. Where?

Where in the Greenwald op-ed is there something about teachers? Am I missing something?

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Obama's wrong

They don't know who they are.

Cue humorless foot-stomping in 3...2...1...

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. He clearly didn't mean liberals as a whole, either.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

50. I want to see the video of this. I can't believe with the elections looming

just weeks away, Biden begging liberals to hit the streets that Obama would make
comments so aggravating I want to wring his neck. Where's the video?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. Comments are fine with me.

It's the spin that's so dishonest.

[Hello_Kitty]

110. Well of course they're fine with you

You're the type of person who likes to belittle people. It makes you feel big.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

112. As if you don't spend plenty of your own time belittling people.

[Hello_Kitty]

133. Not like you. You're awful.

Truly.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

134. I'm better than you. Truly.

In just about every way.

[Hello_Kitty]

142. Question

Do you ever knock on doors or phonebank? I'm trying to imagine you persuading voters with your, um, charm and it makes me shudder.

Seriously, do you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

143. Not really, no.

But I don't think you do either.

[Hello_Kitty]

155. That's probably a good thing. You'd be a disaster at it if you're anything IRL like you are here.

Stick to snarking on the internet and let the grownups do the work.

[janx]

77. Good point.

A little context would be nice--but cynicism is so much easier when taking quotes out of context, no? My guess is that this comes from one of those humorous little speeches that presidents are obligated to provide at public events. So I'm with you. Let's find the video!

[EFerrari]

7. Why would a Democratic president do such a thing?

Before an election? Seriously?

[pnwmom]

11. Look what just happened with Elizabeth Warren.

He's probably frustrated.

By the way, did you read what Barney Frank had to say about that yesterday?

[EFerrari]

15. I did answer your post of yesterday although late as I was at work.

You know, when I'm frustrated, I usually don't make fun of my allies in public.

Whatever. This is what he does and what his administration does, before an election just as before an inaugural.

[pnwmom]

8. And if he nominates Elizabeth Warren, then he's done it the wrong way.

I trust Barney Frank on this. Elizabeth Warren wouldn't be taking the job if she wasn't getting real power.

[Better Believe It]

105. Who do you think will be appointed the director of the agency?

We now know it won't be Elizabeth Warren

[bluerum]

9. I don't think he was mocking liberals. But he was being very cynical about

a big chunk of his voting block.

[EFerrari]

10. Maybe if you had the $30,000 for the dinner, it sounded different. n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

22. I think that's it, exactly.

[Poll_Blind]

117. Bingo. n/t

PB

[madfloridian]

12. When you laugh about someone it is called mocking.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. He was mocking some lying dipshits.

Not liberals.

[DrSteveB]

24. Strongly asking him to keep his promise on the Public Option is lying?

That's news to me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. No.

But that strawman you just made is a pretty good example.

[ProSense]

13. If I could have afforded it, I'd have been laughing too

Feingold was right, and it's not just teabaggers.

Q. What explains the difficult political climate for Democrats, considering that President Obama has implemented many policies he campaigned on?

A.“There are two primary reasons. One is the economy. Human nature is such that people are going to say, ‘I’m frustrated.’ That creates an environment that whoever is in office, whoever is doing anything, is potentially vulnerable to people being unhappy. There’s a second factor that’s more cynical. A conscious decision was made by certain groups to destroy this presidency the minute it started. People say it was the health care bill – no, it wasn’t. I go to every county every year and hold a town meeting. Within days of the president being sworn in, I had people showing up at my town meeting with hats on, with tea bags coming out, saying this is going to be socialism.”

<...>

Q.Has the president squandered any opportunities?

A.“I don’t look at it that way. What I look at is there are so many challenges at once, there are so many things you can do. The most important things –- we’re getting at the job situation and the recovery. There’s a lot of blood given on that. This health care thing was a courageous and important thing to do, but it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever seen a president do. The one thing I think he did squander an opportunity was the mistake of what he did with Afghanistan. It was a very bad decision. He should not have doubled down on Afghanistan. That is going to hurt him more than these other things.”

<...>

[HughMoran]

20. Good post

[Hello_Kitty]

116. This post is stunning.

"If I could have afforded it I'd have been laughing too."

Then you post an excerpt from an interview with Feingold where he is criticizing the President strongly on Afghanistan.

[ClarkUSA]

16. I am a lifelong liberal & I see more shit-stirring from professional left media whore Greenwald.

President Obama never mentioned "liberals" in his comments. He referred to certain "Democrats".

Let's not pretend bitter PUMAs like FDL's Jane "Kill The Bill" Hamsher and her fan club don't exist, okay?

Nice strawman argument by Greenwald. His MO = trying to make shit up. As usual. That's all he's got.

But crap op-eds like thi$ drive$ traffic to $alon.com, eh? And that's what Greenwald's job is all about, right?

[DrSteveB]

19. Nice to meet you, Mr. Left n/t

[HughMoran]

23. Mocking people isn't funny.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Actually, it's rather a significant portion of all of comedy.

Of course, people who have it coming don't find it funny.

That's rather the point.

[regnaD kciN]

26. +1 (even if you have a Yankees avatar)

I've said it before -- if we lose Congress this November and/or the White House in 2012, the fault goes as much on never-satisfied progressives, who started screaming "betrayal!" whenever Obama did something that wasn't 100% what they demanded, practically from the moment he took office, as it does on our opponents on the right. We seem to have forgotten (if we ever learned in the first place) that politics is a process of trying to gain as much ground as possible, and, if something isn't fully attainable right away, we take what is possible for now and keep pressing for more thereafter. Instead, the attitude among many here seems to be "if we aren't handed everything on a silver platter instantly, turn on our own side's leaders without mercy." Utterly immature -- while our leaders have been taking non-stop flak from the right, they've been getting little but screams of "traitor!" and "sellout!" from too many on the left as well. We need to learn one thing from the right -- when in power, defend our own to the death, even as we are pressing for more. That's how they've dominated politics for the past thirty-odd years...and why, every time we gain power, it seems we give it up at the first midterm.

(I wonder whatever happened to the "election season" rule around here that circular-firing-squad threads were not to be allowed?)

[ClarkUSA]

61. heh

You're right on all counts, although I dispute that the "never-satisfied" are true progressives. Many of them are bitter PUMAs like Jane Hamsher who have decided to constantly attack President Obama from the left even though they were devotees of DLC darling Hillary because they will never ever forgive Barack Obama for winning it all. The rest are GOP trolls like the ones DKos have uncovered recently.

I am a liberal and as all polls have shown since he became POTUS, a very large majority of self-described liberals have consistently approved of Pres. Obama.

[fascisthunter]

152. And I Blame it on the centrists because they are in power... not us

not the progressives or liberalism so find another whipping post... you aren't helping the party, that's for sure, not with dishonestly blaming progressives. Question is now, why did you decide to do so? Was it flame bait. I hope so... because my reply doesn't break any rules.

One reason I came around to being a liberal is because they were the only ones who have the intestinal fortitude to be honest with themselves and others even if their path was harder, a bigger challenge in order to make an end. That I honor and respect. I think I made myself clear. Good night.

[Hello_Kitty]

160. I love how we're small in number and insignificant when we want a voice in policymaking

But when it's time to blame someone then, man, do we become important!

[EFerrari]

30. Right. How dare he post a direct quote.

@sshole.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. Again with the dishonest strawmen.

Is that all you people have?

[ClarkUSA]

42. Greenwald is a liar who is accusing Pres. Obama of maligning "liberals" when he didn't mention them.

The OP is just as misleading.

[EFerrari]

47. Well, no. The president's comments diss liberals

no matter if he said the word or not -- which you should understand unless you have some kind of reading disability.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. Only among people who have a very poor opinion of liberals.

[ClarkUSA]

64. Oh yes, Greenwald is a liar. Exactly where did Pres. Obama "diss liberals"? Quote him, please. nt

[janx]

79. I wouldn't say he's a liar, exactly.

He is doing what he's paid to do, and that's to create controversy, like many other political columnists.

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[ClarkUSA]

130. No quote? In other words: you, like Greenwald have nothing factual to base your opinion on.

[Better Believe It]

100. I've grown tired of your disgusting personal attacks on progressives. You're now on ignore!

Save your trash talk for some other discussion board if you're incapable of civil debate here!

Bye Bye.

[ClarkUSA]

119. I've grown tired of professional media whores attacking the most liberal Dem POTUS in my lifetime.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

129. It doesn't take much brains --

to figure out who O was talking about. It certainly was a segment of liberals/progressives. I don't recall many posters in GD: P complaining about the lack of a public option or real financial reform.

[ClarkUSA]

137. ROFL! "I don't recall many posters in GD: P complaining about the lack of a public option..."

"... or real financial reform."

Stop it, my sides are splitting!

[Nite Owl]

17. What a way to get the base out there

for November. The problem he fails to recognize is we believed what he said and now not so much.

[SoxFan]

73. You aren't the base

A small, perpetually grumpy clique is not the base of the Democratic Party.

[chimpymustgo]

104. Okay, then I guess they don't care whether we vote in Nov - we're just a small, perpetually grumpy

clique.

Okay...the rest of you can bring it home on election day.

[Hello_Kitty]

121. Then whom was the President talking about?

If it's the small grumpy clique why did he bother?

[HughMoran]

18. He's right to laugh at the ass holes who mock him no matter what he does

Obama

[obxhead]

21. Yes Obama I do know exactly who I am. I also

know exactly what I won't be doing in 2012 that I did for you in 2008. No donations or door to door sales of your campaign this time around.

Thing is Obama, now I know who YOU are as well.

[HughMoran]

27. nobody cares

That only works the first few times you say it.

[obxhead]

34. Ah yes. This is why we fail.

Nobody cares.

[blondeatlast]

46. "We fail?" Who is this "we" you speak of? My party has the House, the Senate,

and the WH.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. lol

[Ignis]

67. "And yet, if we only had 60 votes, we could pass..."

(insert progressive policy here)

[obxhead]

68. Yes and my party has squandered that enormous

opportunity as well in the name of corporatism.

[HughMoran]

128. about you

[Hello_Kitty]

124. You cared enough to respond. eom

[HughMoran]

127. meow

[USArmyParatrooper]

41. I'm sure you will work equally as hard for him in 2012 as you did in 2008

[EFerrari]

44. And you would be basing that on zero experience

because you weren't here in 2007 or 8 to see who was active.

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[EFerrari]

80. Put up or shut up, more authoritarian bs.

What did I do in 2008? I wrote a series of essays that supported Obama and that were headlined on a number of big websites in addition to my precinct work.

What am I doing now? I'm GOTV in the Latino community countywide because I'm bilingual.

Put up or shut up, my @ss. You can shove that bs at your leisure.

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. lol

[obxhead]

60. Actually I worked very hard for Obama in 08.

Thanks for your opinion though.

[unapatriciated]

118. contrary to your snark

many of us put in 25- 30 hrs a week phone banking (5-10 p.m. every night) after working 40 hrs to pay the bills, spent our days off registering voters and going door to door. Not to mention donating every payday. We than voted early so we could drive others to the polls. This snark is old. I will vote D because I know the alternative is crazy but that is all I intend to give.

[Hello_Kitty]

132. Yep, so did I. I doubt the bullies here did anything.

Doubt it.

[USArmyParatrooper]

154. You I believe.

And I mean that sincerely.

[European Socialist]

25. Obama looking to get a few Joe Six pack votes by cutting down Progressives.

[ipaint]

28. Totally clueless.

How much farther out of touch can these rich people get from the majority of workers making under 50,000 a year, most well under if they are lucky enough to have a job. No public option, I hope he is ready for the flood of increasing multiples of tens of millions of poor people who will qualify for medicaid. Should be a laugh riot.

The perpetually comfortable upper middle class better have a rather large funny bone, they'll be paying for it.

[EFerrari]

35. Am I just old or something or is this the kind of humor you keep

inside?

What are they doing?

Or, is it just fine any more to ridicule your volunteers?

[ipaint]

78. It doesn't matter anymore. They are too far gone.

$30,000 a head fundraiser??? Just who do they think those of us who are struggling to make half that a year are going to vote for. It doesn't get much clearer who they represent than shameless open bribery. The lesser of two evils has been a political strategy for both parties for decades but someone better tell the totally out of touch elite in Washington that the party is just about over.

You can only get away with the gluttony and hoarding when there is a semblance of a large middle class. They've taken down their cover and now millions more former middle and lower middle class people don't have any wealth and face a life of slave wages. This coming year their numbers should increase by tens of millions again.

When you are destitute or close to it your bullshit meter goes on high alert. This kind of pandering to the criminals who brought this country and it's people down in the last three decades is political suicide.

[EFerrari]

89. My mom and I have been fighting to keep our home for the last six months

and, ongoing. We have arguments about what we can buy at the grocery store.

I guess if we had $30,000 to hand over to a politician, maybe we wouldn't be so uptight.

lol

[janx]

102. Times are indeed tough.

BUT--if people with means decide to support this president, who wants to help the middle class--I'm all for it.

[ipaint]

103. Well the folks he was having a chuckle with have private porfolios filled with health care

investments so I guess the lack of a public option, which would have cost them plenty, is now sort of an inside joke at our expense. yuck, yuck.

So sorry about your home. There is not much to say except you are not alone.

[EFerrari]

107. The New Base.

Thanks for your good wishes. We'll do as well as millions of Americans, I guess.

[Poboy]

33. I see how it is. The public option advocates are to be mocked.

Nevermind it was HE who sabotaged it. Those who see there are NO price controls in the 'historic healthcare bill', and say so are to be laughed at.
Financial reform? Who watered that weak ass shit down?
And 'world peace'? Now we're in Gibbs territory. Who the fuck is upset about not 'achieving world peace'?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. The people who blame Obama for the lack of the public option are to be mocked.

They're a very stupid, dishonest people.

[ipaint]

54. Ah, the up is down, black is white, your with us or your with the terrorists approach.

I will take that as a compliment then.

Factual and truthful is stupid and dishonest. Got it.

[HughMoran]

126. agreed

[Autumn]

37. Well President Obama, I know who you are too,

I can appreciate a lot of what you have done, but in the continuation of Bush's policies, I can and do dislike what you have done. I expected better.

[underpants]

38. Funny

very funny

[joeybee12]

39. The funny part is that Obama thinks these pieces of crap legislation are progressive!

Or maybe it's scary.

[ClarkUSA]

108. No, the "scary" part is people like you don't appreciate what a nice change it is from, say, Clinton

Or maybe it's "funny".

[joeybee12]

40. The funny part is that Obama thinks these pieces of crap legislation are progressive!

Or maybe it's scary.

[Lucian]

43. I know I won't be working hard to get him reelected in 2012.

If at all.

If he doesn't give a shit about us, why should I give a shit about him?

[Monique1]

58. Don't support him, no don't

I don't want you to vote for him. Enjoy your repuke President. I'll remember you when you all start complaining.

He didn't mention the progressives but he said what I read on DU. Yes, he cannot win no matter - so I don't see anything wrong with what he said.

We get our panties in a bunch so quickly.

[Monique1]

72. It is not about you

it is about the people.

[MadHound]

48. And Democrats wonder why they're not getting a lot of support from the left

Shit like this, and the fact that Democrats are governing from a center right position, and have been for the past two decades.

[EFerrari]

51. Obama is a lot "better" at reaching across the aisle

than he is at uniting the party.

In fact, he has been taking shots at liberals since before he was inaugurated when he called us "noisy, diverse and opinionated" when we objected to the choice of the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-Semitic Rick Warren to disgrace our inaugural.

[ProSense]

57. Yeah, look out

appointing Warren excited Republicans and totally turned off Democrats.

Obama Raises $1 Million-Plus for Blumenthal, Democrats

[EFerrari]

62. I'm so sorry, ProSense, but I can't take anything you post seriously.

It's not personal in any way.

[ProSense]

65. That's OK

I'm laughing too.

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[Ramulux]

53. Glenn nails it

Really bad move by Obama that shows he doesn't understand the criticism he is receiving. He does the same thing as Gibbs and jokes about us being mad about ridiculous things like "not achieving world peace" and just shrugs off legitimate criticism of bad policies which he has adopted, not just failed to correct quickly enough.

[ProSense]

59. No, I don't think this is it:

"Really bad move by Obama that shows he doesn't understand the criticism he is receiving. "

I think it's that he doesn't really give a shit about criticisms like Greenwald's.

Can't say that I blame him.

[EFerrari]

66. Which is why you're not Director of Communications anywhere but DU.

[ProSense]

70. What?

[ClarkUSA]

76. How? Glenn Greenwald is a liar. President Obama never mentioned "liberals".

I am a liberal and as all polls have shown since he became POTUS, a very large majority of self-described liberals have consistently approved of Pres. Obama.

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[Skidmore]

63. You people end up sounding like a middle school fight.

Get over yourselves and let's get busy.

[EFerrari]

71. Actually, mocking people who disagree with you in their absence

is much more like middle school.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

75. Don't you think that's just a little bit ironic on your part?

[Hardrada]

74. His sitcom is slipping badly in the ratings

And the Obama Show won't go into reruns either.

[FrenchieCat]

81. Oh....some poor Victims are at it again.......

Far as I'm concerned, I agree with the President,
that nothing he has done will ever be good enough for some Democrats...
or whatever they are calling themselves these days.

Folks are supposed to be pissed about the fact that the President mentioned it?

I'm pissed at the fact that *some* Democrats are always complaining
that whatever is done ain't nothing, and certainly not good enough
to do more than keep them complaining about how they are being criticized,
while they continueously criticize.

Good to join us to give us the news!
How could we have known without you.

[EFerrari]

87. So, you support the president making fun of the base at a $30k dinner?

Is that right? Because Greenwald posted the direct quote.

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[EFerrari]

92. I have an advanced degree in reading comprehension, so that's bs.

And I supported Obama over Hillary, so that's also bs.

That does't leave much, does it?

[FrenchieCat]

97. I'm into policy, not individuals........

and those individuals who think that everything uttered is about them,
and that's what counts in their book, may know who they are.

[EFerrari]

99. You're into smearing people by implication

as you just did in that post.

[Hello_Kitty]

149. I think irony just died.

"I'm into policy, not individuals"

[Marr]

161. Of course they do.

They'll blame disloyal "retarded" liberals when Democrats lose seats.

They aren't very sharp.

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[FrenchieCat]

98. Must be a coincidence!

[scheming daemons]

84. Obama is 100% correct....and Greenwald is as much an enemy to liberals as any Repuke...

maybe more so, because Glenn doesnt realize it.

Greenwald ends up giving more unintentional aid and comfort to conservatives as anyone this side of Jane Hamsher.

[SoxFan]

106. Thank you

Obama wasn't mocking supporters of the public option.

He was mocking the Perpetually Pissed, the childish haters who will find something wrong with anything this administration does.

Not that reality matters to the crowd at FreeperDogLake.

[NYCGirl]

85. And they say that lefties have no sense of humor.

Judging by this thread, they're absolutely correct.

[EFerrari]

94. If you keep laughing with people who disrespect you over and over

and in public, that's not a sense of humor, is it?

That's something else.

[FrenchieCat]

113. If you believe yourself to be an advertising campaign, a member of the paid Professional Left,

or one of those Democrats who expected world peace right about now, and everything else that you may have demanded in these past 18 months, then what you've heard coming out of the President's mouth or the mouth of others thus far ain't disrespect, it's just simply the truth.

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[BlueCheese]

95. George W. Bush got a lot done too.

I'm not saying one is like the other, at all. But sometimes people are upset at what he did do, not what he didn't do.

[BlueCheese]

93. I'm guessing people who can shell out $30K

for a dinner don't need to worry about their health insurance.

Still, I wonder. Why would you make fun of people who sincerely wanted better reform? Who wanted you to keep the promises that you repeatedly made? And who are these people who are willing to pony up that much money for the Democrats and laugh at these people?

[EFerrari]

96. Because you can?

I was in comedy for about a decade and very successfully and the first commandment was, don't knock the people who buy tickets.

[FrenchieCat]

101. If it wasn't for those who can donate, when many of us can't

towards the effort of electing Democrats,
the corporations would be, right about now,
telling all of us what color our underwears to be worn
should be on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday
and Sunday.

[ipaint]

111. They are and you don't know it. Have for a while.

That's the problem.

[FrenchieCat]

123. The problem is propagandized hyperbole and folks that believe everything is about them

personally, and believe themselves to be above criticism,
unless it is they who is dishing it out.

As for whose telling you what.......
at the rate that this President is being criticized about anything and everything,
be ready for more of what you insist we already are getting.
Folks that believe things can't get worse, don't truly realize what worse actually means.

[EFerrari]

131. That's wrong, actually.

The people who are the most critical consumers of media here at DU probably don't bother about agreeing with you or not.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

135. Except here you are, believing Glenn Greenwald's lies.

Without a critical thought.

[TreasonousBastard]

109. He didn't mock "liberals". He mocked the teabaggers of the left who...

can't accept not getting everything they want the way they want it.

Yeah-- we have our own whiny, self-important group of assholes who insist they, and only they, have the way to get things done around here and it's just too bad everyone else in the world is too lazy and stupid to see it their way.

Well, it's a big, bad, complicated world out there and if you can't deal with getting only half your loaf, just get out of the way and let the rest of us get something done. It won't be perfect, but it will be a little better than what we'll get from Speaker Boehner.

The taste of sour grapes from a lot of people don't have 30 grand to splurge at a fundraiser is so prevalent it's wandering over here and making my dinner taste funny. How the fuck do you think money is really raised?

(And the threat to not work for Democrats or Obama is a hollow one-- I don't believe anyone who would drop out now was ever worth two shits to the cause.)

[EFerrari]

115. The "teabaggers of the left"?

Omg. How shallow is that.

You mean the people who spent hours and days and weeks electing this president and who managed to hold on to their values in the aftermath?

Those teabaggers of the left

I hope you have nothing to do with GOTV this year. We really don't need you.

[CBR]

114. The President is speaking the truth...

it does, however, allow some to continue wallowing in perpetual outrage and victimhood. I mean, how dare HE make fun of US!?!? The true, true, truest; blue, blue, bluest Dems of all!!!

[EFerrari]

125. And that's his job, right?

Ragging on Democrats in the run up to an election. Oh, that Obama. He's just too smart for me.

[ProSense]

144. Was he talking to Democrats?

"Oh, that Obama. He's just too smart for me."

Much?

Greenwald's attempt to sow division with his lame spin is only going to appeal to those who really aren't interested in what the President says or does. They aren't interested in his actual record. Anyone who sees the President's policies as failures or as a throwback to Bush aren't interested in looking at what has been achieved.

People like Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and many elected progressive Democrats see the progress. Sure they complain, but they also recognize significant progress when they see it.

[EFerrari]

146. Was he talking to Democrats? I don't know.

He was talking to people who had $30,000 to buy a seat. Is that more clear?

[PopSixSquish]

122. Having Read Some of the Posts Regarding Elizabeth Warren on DU Over the Past Couple of Days

I'm thinking that he may be right...

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

138. what a self-satisfied asshole

[ClarkUSA]

158. Yes, Glenn Greenwald has always been like that. nt

[janx]

139. [b]"You know who you are."[/b]

I love how you put that part in bold.

"You know who you are."

[ClarkUSA]

140. Are Jane "Kill The Bill/Grover Norquist is my teabagger ally" Hamsher's ears burning yet?

[EFerrari]

145. That would be the same Norquist that the White House invited to testify

to the Cat Food Commission?

Oh, that's funny!

[ProSense]

147. Wait,

you're suddenly for bipartisanship with Norquist or are you against it only when it involves the President's commission?

Also, the President isn't running the commission, albeit set up by him. Any invitations are via the commission chairs.

[EFerrari]

150. I'm not "suddenly" anything. I'm the same person I have been

since I joined DU in 2004 and worked my ass off to impeach Bush and to elect Obama.

[ClarkUSA]

151. That's a false statement. Norquist was not invited by the White House.

What's "funny" is you don't even bother to check your facts before making assertions. Here are the facts:
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Nor...

[EFerrari]

153. Norquist Accepts Obama Fiscal Commission Co-Chair Alan Simpson’s Invitation to Testify Read more: h

http://www.atr.org/norquist-accepts-obama-fiscal-commis...

From your own search. Please, be more careful. I didn't join DU to do *this*.

[ClarkUSA]

156. Um, that's not the White House doing the inviting. It's always the Commission chairs who do that.

You just proved yourself wrong. I did it first, but it's always good to have further verification.

[EFerrari]

157. Pathetic. As if the commission would do anything without approval.

Seriously, how pathetic are you willing to be?

[ClarkUSA]

162. You don't understand much about the U.S. legislative process, do you?

<< Pathetic. As if the commission would do anything without approval. Seriously, how pathetic are you willing to be? >>

What's really "pathetic" is you cannot admit you were wrong.

[EFerrari]

165. And I expect you still wait for the Tooth Fairy.

You must be right. No commission appointed by the Executive is beholden to the Executive.

LOL

[janx]

159. I don't know, but Greenwald does link to her blog site in his

editorial.

Is this common? Are they a tag team? They both have the same out-of-context quotation and use it to rile up the internets!

[ClarkUSA]

163. They're both PUMAs who attack Pres. Obama from the left 24/7 AND have website traffic to drive.

<< ... Greenwald does link to her blog site in his editorial. Are they a tag team? They both have the same out-of-context quotation and use it to rile up the internets! >>

Nice catch.

[DrSteveB]

164. You falsely state Norquist and Hamsher are allies

They disagree 99% of the time. They joined forces in order to call for an investigation of Rahm the-auto-union-hater Emanuel. They were allies in one letter they signed together. But I understand that exaggeration is a favorite strategy of people who dislike liberals.

I bet you won't type the number of policies in which Hamsher and Norquist disagree.

[ClarkUSA]

166. Really? PUMA Jane went on Fox News to invite teabaggers to join her and Grover to "Kill The Bill"

If that's not being "allies" I don't know what is.

[Stinky The Clown]

141. This is yet another post where seeing who replies to it gives you an idea of whether or not .....

.... you agree the OP. On any given day, I can as easily agree as disagree with any one of the posters here. When I see who replies and who agrees or disagrees en mass, the less necessary it is to even read the OP.

[cbayer]

167. Locking

Member, a repeating zombie, has been escorted from the building.

cbayer
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