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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:45 PM
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Koran Burning Pastor & Wife Are "Money Launderers Using Muslims As Red Herrings"
WARNING: Money-launderers using muslims as red herrings.

Sun Sep 05, 2010 at 10:51:53 AM PDT

"WTF?"

That's what I'd say if I woke up to that headline. But trust me, it's true. By the time I'm done you will see that Terry D. Jones, the asshat in Gainesville, who is stirring up a shitstorm by promising to burn copies of the Koran ain't motivated by love -- as he claims.

He ain't motivated by fear of Islam taking over America an enforcing sharia law.
He ain't motivated by hate of the people who attacked the WTC and the Pentagon.
He ain't motivated by some twisted dominionist reading of scripture.
He sure as hell ain't motivated by some sense of divine mission.
No... this muthafucka is motivated by money.

..................

Let me show you what a multi-million dollar money laundering operation looks like, complete with shell corporations.

.....................................

What we have is (tons of research here)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/5/893426/-WARNING:... .

1. a couple who take in money for allegedly religious purposes (placement) and

2. shuffle it around through multiple businesses across state lines and even internationally (layering).

3. The money then comes back in through a variety of channels managed by for profit corporations that are subsidiaries of an LLC owned and operated by Terry and Sylvia (integration).

4. The profits are turned into multiple real estate holdings of considerable value (payday).

You have to admire this operation. None of the holdings are in their names. The corporations they control own the properties. They have effectively used the corporate structures to insulate themselves from any claims. But they are in a position to derive all the benefits.

Here's where I think this is headed. I think these grifters are getting ready to blow town. They have all but shut down their online operations. They are trying to sell their major real estate asset. They are simultaneously trying to provoke a major media event that will put them in conflict with local government, who has expressly forbid them from having their bookburning. I fully expect they will go ahead with their shindig and when the hammer comes down, they will cry "persecution" and flee... taking as much money as they can so they can "start over anew in more hospitable environs"... while leaving his fleeced flock of faithful holding the bag.


lots more:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/5/893426/-WARNING:...
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:47 PM
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1. k&bigr
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:51 PM
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2. I found that money is only bad if you think of it as first.
It is far from first on my list, but to have balance, it is part of some things, just not first.

For instance, if money from those that think in terms of money first can prove there is justice, is it about money?

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 01:33 PM
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38. So beer must be first, then travel money. nt
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 02:03 PM
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39. Randomthoughts......STOP MIXING YOUR MEDS......................
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 02:06 PM by russspeakeasy
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:52 PM
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3. If true, muthafuckas for sure, evil, larcenous, hypocritical muthafuckas to boot
:P
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:53 PM
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4. Why do these roaches believe they
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 02:54 PM by malaise
can crawl out in daylight without being crushed?

sp.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 12:33 AM
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22. It's bluster. They count on peoples trust to hide their deeds from sight.
But all it takes to scare the bejesus out of them is a well placed, resounding "No." No compromises, and never let them know that you understand the scheme. Just act sweet as can be, just like they do, and then start up the steamroller and start running them over, slowly, andsteadily, so they don't have any time to wriggle away.

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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 09:15 AM
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32. because for 8 years under * it was true! n/t
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:54 PM
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5. Why am I not suprised?
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:56 PM
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6. Wow that's a good angle. Using a church to launder money,. Tax free, no less.
Anonymous cash donations and being above reproach. Wait till the cartels figure this out.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:39 PM
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9. And nobody ever opens your books! What a sweet scam!
THIS is why churches need to be audited and taxed, especially wingnut churches that play politics.

The good reverend and his missus aren't going to get nearly as much out of the crooked dealing as they put in over the years, thanks to the still crumbling real estate market in Florida, so there is one bright spot. In other words, they needn't have bothered. Numbered accounts offshore might have been a better bet if they hadn't gotten so greedy.

In any case, I do hope the theft is obvious enough and vicious enough for the authorities to start investigating them, hauling them back to face charges in the future.

Notice it doesn't surprise me one bit these two are con artists.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 12:34 AM
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23. They already have..
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mike r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:00 PM
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7. "Ex church-members describe 12-14 hour workdays for no pay"
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:01 PM
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8. K&R
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 03:39 PM
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10. Truth has such a Cleansing Effect....like a Disinfectant...should be utilized more often
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:42 PM
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11. I've always been suspicious of Religion as a tool to assert power over others.
So I am not surprised.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 05:42 PM
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12. If his church still supports him they deserve to be fleeced out of their money
After all this is made known to them, and they still go along with the preacher,I really truly hope they take every single cent from the church they can.
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lolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:10 PM
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20. Hard to feel sorry for people
Who donate money to hate groups.

Sounds terrible, but you shouldn't give your money to "preachers" who preach hate.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 05:44 PM
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13. This adds meaning to "cooking the books"

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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:16 PM
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14. K&R!
Maybe Terry shoulda kept his mouth shut about burning those Korans. And maybe he should feel ashamed about what he's doing in Christ's name...that, however, seems highly unlikely. Perhaps busting him for his unethical and illegal actions will be sufficient. But I'm betting he still won't be ashamed. The list of reasons I no longer associate myself with so-called Christians just keeps a-growing!

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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 09:16 AM
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33. The reason for using Christ's name is to deflect shame.
If it's for Jesus, who can question it?

--imm
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:19 PM
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15. Motivated by money?!
No no, say it ain't so. :sarcasm: There is little doubt that a lot of ""religion" is motivated by money.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:22 PM
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16.  Wouldn't want to be their banker.
If they don't go down on this, that person is about to be plumb fucked.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:27 AM
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28. The bank has already served them with notice that the bank wants out
From the article linked in the OP:
Papers mailed to the church from RBC bank state due to the center's financial situation, they no longer want them as a client.


The accompanying TV video shows a shot of the letter wherein RBC calls in their loans with this opening paragraph:

This is to inform you we would like to exit the banking relationship with Dove Charimatic Ministries, Inc., and TS and Co. Dove Charismatic Ministries, Inc. Due to the material adverse change in your financial condition, we are asking that you move your entire financial relationship to another institution.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:09 PM
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17. A crook by any other name...
Would stink up the joint just as bad.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:38 PM
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18. Fascinating. Now I need help. Are Donionists the people that Todd and Sarah
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 08:39 PM by peacetalksforall
joined with? I keep getting all these side groups and cults mixed up.

Second question, is Mr diamonds and gold and aircraft' Robertson clean? Would he be considered a Dominionist?

Also, when does this Dr. plan to burn some Kuran books?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:58 PM
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19. Wow! So they are scammers are they?
They may have bitten off more than they can chew this time though ...

K & R
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 12:28 AM
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21. This is extremely common.. I uncovered a similar operation right next door.
Same MO, Same exploitation of Religion, Ethnicity, and taking advantage of poor desperate people for a buck, all to hide the operation in plain sight.

After exposition, they "Blew town" as well, and all is quiet in mudville once again.

Sunlight is indeed the best disinfectant.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:57 AM
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24. Kicked and Recommended! Thank you for posting, kpete.
Off the the DK diary now for what looks like a long read
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gophates Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:21 AM
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25. Typical Xians hypocrites.
If it's not Muslims, it's the GLBT community, women, Jews, or anyone else who isn't white and well-to-do.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:22 AM
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26. I've got a quick question about this Diary.How come it doesn't have a tip jar & how do you start 1?
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:48 AM
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27. I had heard that this was a for profit 'church'
Tax those righteous sons of bitches.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:01 AM
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29. I hope they get what they deserve. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 05:58 PM
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45. If these "Xtians" don't get it in the mortal plane, they will when they die.
One of those times I'm hoping there is an afterlife.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 08:46 AM
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30. I really wish
These dangerous morAns would stop doing this crap in the name of Christianity.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 09:07 AM
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31. K&R...n/t
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 09:23 AM
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34. DO NOT BURN THE KORAN,
I know that's preaching to the choir here, but tell your friends who disagree with you.
We expect Cicero, the Bible, Plato, Xenophon and Hawthorne to be respected, and we must respect the Koran if we expect people who come from outside our tradition to respect these works and those of the Enlightenment!
This Burn a Koran Day is extremely ill-advised, patently stupid, and potentially destructive to the West as well as to the Korans burnt.
So get the message out.
To everyone.

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anachro1 Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 10:17 AM
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35. On the other hand
The burners DO wish to die for the act.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 11:00 AM
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36. the moran has put the crosshair right between his eyes with his foolish endeavor
someone should tell him
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 12:21 PM
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37. K&R
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 02:41 PM
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40. You are obviously
a Muslim-loving, Christ hating bigot. Aren't Christians already persecuted enough in this country without you spreading scurrilous rumors, half-truths and innuendos like this?
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:18 PM
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41. K & R n/t
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 01:07 PM
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42. This should be Dugg, Tweeted, shared on FB etc etc etc
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 05:52 PM
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43. Get this guy's phone records!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will bet there are some interesting phone calls that he has had recently.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 05:54 PM
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44. My pearls! My couch! I could not be any LESS shocked. k/r
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 05:59 PM
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46. More on this guy that I posted at another thread
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409...



US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

<snip>

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

<snip>

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schfer said. According to Schfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

<snip>

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