The quality of Doctors in the US had declined significantly. (Teacher bashing analogy)

[grantcart]

This is a totally absurd statement but it uses the same logic that teacher bashers use.


The increase in obesity runs fairly parallel, I am guessing, to the decline in US education outcomes.


They come from the same problem.


The quality of teachers, like doctors, probably is about the same or a little better than a couple of decades ago.


What has changed is the desire to sacrifice for long term goals, the motivation to spend long periods of time considering a home work problem, general length of attention span, the number of high tech gadgets, software, TVs, listening devices, that now compete for attention.


If you want to find the best teacher in any system do this:



Find some system to select out the kids who have the most motivated parents that are willing to sacrifice their own popularity as 'easiest parent to con' and enforce a consistent study environment Monday through Thursday with no TV, or other diversions.



Then randomly select ANY teacher. Miracle of miracles you now have the highest performing students and the most effective teacher in the system.

[grantcart]

1. lol at those who are unrec ing and support illogical teacher bashing

[left is right]

2. It’s what I have always said

High priced private school makes better parents; better parents make better schools

[RainDog]

3. the problem is the failure to adequately fund a social safety net for Americans

or to see our fellow citizens as our brothers and sisters who sometimes need help - and whose children should not be made to suffer simply because they did not have the luck to be part of the sperm/egg jism dance of someone with inherited wealth.

This refusal to acknowledge the value of lifting all boats to keep us all afloat is shameful. Sadly, the shame may too often be attributed to those who pretend they hold values that jesus held - when, in fact, they shit upon the very idea of Christianity.

[txlibdem]

4. Stop bashing teachers. START bashing doctors

Those lazy bums collect a 6-figure income and they do not measure up. Obesity is up. HIV, Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), West Nile virus and Ebola are on the rise. Mental illness is on the rise. Childhood illness is up.

Fail. Fail. Fail.

Deduct 40% from doctors' pay and cut half of them off from their retirement accounts.

[LostInAnomie]

5. I've been saying something similar for years.

We wouldn't judge doctors based on the number of their patients have poor health. You wouldn't judge the quality of a police officer based on how much or little crime takes place in their city. You wouldn't judge the quality of a social worker only on the final outcome of their cases. When the final product is something that has near limitless influences and variables beyond the control of an individual there is simple no easy or objective way to evaluate.

[Gabi Hayes]

7. when I die, I'm holding my doctor directly responsible

lazy, incompetent, unaccountable bastard

[bemildred]

6. Hey, what about politicians? The country is in the toilet.

We need more metrics to hold them accountable.

[surrealAmerican]

8. You may be asking the wrong question here.

I'm not at all convinced that children today are learning less than children 30 or 40 years ago. You seem to be assuming some sort of decline that there just isn't data to support.

There were no "good old days".

[grantcart]

9. The data that is available is that when ranked against other countries

the US students are losing rank in math and science.



From my personal opinion there is a decline in overall student interest in taking on the world they are inheriting.



Students are more passive and interested in consumerism than raising social questions.