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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:50 PM
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If Lt Col Fehrenbach is fired this week or early next both he and we were lied to
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/us/12ask.html?src=mv

Lawyers for Colonel Fehrenbach assert that his case is among the most egregious applications of the policy in their experience. The Air Force investigation into his sexuality began with a complaint from a civilian that was eventually dismissed by the Idaho police and the local prosecutor as unfounded, according to court papers. Colonel Fehrenbach has never publicly said that he is gay.

However, during an interview with an Idaho law enforcement official, he acknowledged having consensual sex with his accuser. Colonel Fehrenbachs lawyers say he did not realize Air Force investigators were observing that interview; his admission led the Air Force to open its dont ask investigation.

Under new regulations issued by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates this year, dont ask investigations must be based on information from credible sources. Colonel Fehrenbachs lawyers argue that the credibility of his accuser is clearly undermined by the dismissal of the sexual assault case.

His lawyers also assert that his case underscores the ways the ban hurts military readiness, the very thing it is supposed to protect. They say that Colonel Fehrenbachs performance reviews were consistently glowing, including his most recent one, which says he was a proven leader who raised morale in his unit, according to papers filed by his lawyers.

The evidence is that he is a benefit to the Air Force and to his unit, said M. Andrew Woodmansee, a San Diego-based lawyer who is serving as co-counsel for Colonel Fehrenbach, along with the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a nonprofit group representing gays in the military.

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http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=58476



Only a general or flag officer may separate an enlisted member believed at the conclusion of an investigation to have engaged in homosexual conduct. Under previous policy, a colonel -- or for a captain in the Navy and Coast Guard could order separation.

-- A revision in whats needed to begin an inquiry or a separation proceeding. Information provided by a third party now must be given under oath, discouraging the use of overheard statements and hearsay, Gates said.

-- Certain categories of confidential information -- such as information provided to lawyers, clergy and psychotherapists -- no longer will be used in support of discharges. Information provided to medical personnel in furtherance of treatment, or to a public-health official in the course of seeing professional assistance for domestic or physical abuse also is excluded, as well as information obtained in the process of security-clearance investigations, in accordance with existing Pentagon policies.

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These changes are supposed to be retroactive. Farhenbach was directly promised this as well. This case is about as egregious as it gets and no way in Hell he should be being fired. This isn't a case of it is taking too long. Either these changes happened or they didn't.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:03 PM
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1. haven;t you heard? the military is now making decisions based on troop surveys lol nt
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:05 PM
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2. He'll be fired. We were lied to.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:46 AM
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13. Hey there's a big surprise
Being lied to by the Obama adminstration? Never

:sarcasm: in case it was needed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:08 PM
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3. And he is six months from retirment
I mean HE COULD retire at 20... and get all his benefits and just leave the AF... even if I wish he staid longer. Effectively, the way the Military works, his career is effectively over anyway. But damn it, let the man HAVE HIS RETIREMENT. He earned it.

Oh and yes, we were lied to.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:10 PM
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4. K & R nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:10 PM
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5. Is this "change". We were lied to. nm
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:11 PM
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6. If you are lied to by a Democrat, is it still a lie? nm
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:12 PM
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7. Fierce Advocacy at its finest. n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:49 PM
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8. k & r
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:02 AM
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9. I'm guessing he's toast
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:08 AM
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10. He's dead to this administration. Expect a snide remark from Gibbs soon.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:36 AM
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11. K&R. Rachel's coverage of this topic was dead on. If the Administration has
any intention of doing anything serious about DADT anytime soon, it should suspend enforcement of DADT. If not, it should stop pretending it's going to do something.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:03 AM
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12. kick
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:48 AM
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14. KNR!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:24 PM
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15. We were lied to!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:38 PM
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16. +
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:41 PM
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17. Too late to recommend, but I'll give you a kick.
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