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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:20 PM
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The real Professional Left -people who have made social justice their life's work
Fighting for the rights and dignity of others - journalists, social workers, community organizers, labor leaders, educators, lawyers, political leaders, campaign workers, civil rights advocates, writers, musicians, artists, workers, visionaries, idealists, and the like.

These people who see a larger picture and recognize us as a connected whole. People who feel the hunger of the poor, the cold of the homeless, the pain of the untreated, the suffering of the refugee and do something about it.

Upon reflection, Tom Joad in the Grapes of Wrath would be considered a member of the Professional Left when he left his family to fight for social justice:

Ill be all around in the dark. Ill be ever-where wherever you can look. Wherever theres a fight so hungry people can eat, Ill be there. Wherever theres a cop beatin up a guy, Ill be there. Ill be in the way guys yell when theyre mad Ill be in the way kids laugh when theyre hungry an they know suppers ready. An when the people are eatin the stuff they raise, and livin in the houses they build Ill be there, too.

The Professional Left - long may they prosper. And may those who snarkily denigrate them and their goals be damned.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:23 PM
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1. Wish I could rec more than once.... That's perfect....Thank you.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:24 PM
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2. Do you REALLY think Gibbs was talking to these people?
Really?

Really?
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:27 PM
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4. Don't interrupt...
...they're on a roll.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:57 PM
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64. And loving it too! LOL
Finally, a good bone to gnaw on.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:38 PM
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:37 PM
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13. I'd like an answer please Phoebe LOOSINHOUSE. Thank you.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:42 PM by tridim
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:47 PM
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17. Despite your sad little spamming trantrum I will answer
Robert Gibbs used a phrase "Professional Left" which he cowardly did not define although it was clear it was a perjorative. He implied that his version of the Professional Left were spaced out lefties who wanted (gasp!) single payer healthcare and to eliminate the Pentagon - the most spurious charge I think I have ever heard a public official make (the Pentagon part). Here's the actual quote from The Hill

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/113431-white...
The press secretary dismissed the professional left in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and weve eliminated the Pentagon. Thats not reality.

I am simply saying that there are in fact people who can be said to constitute an actual "professional" left and I defined it as those who made social justice their life work. It's not all that difficult to understand. For most people anyway. You may be different.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:50 PM
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18. More patience than I would have had as far as calmly, intelligently responding to tantrums
:thumbsup:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:51 PM
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19. You didn't answer my question.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:51 PM by tridim
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:07 PM
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22. She absolutely did. The "professional left" has always been more about social justice
than about political hackery. Which is at least part of the reason that Gibb's comments are reprehensible.

And thanks for kicking the thread!!!!!11
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:48 PM
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25. what you said, +1
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mcollins Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:29 AM
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47. absolutely! +1
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:00 PM
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65. yeah, the professional left is all the good people in the world.
Any good person will do, right? They're all "professional left".

make up whatever you want. It's all good.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:42 PM
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72. wow, you synthesized that out of no where.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 01:42 PM by Javaman
show me someone from the right that or even the center for that matter who fights for the rights of the workers of this nation. Fights for the poor, for the disenfranchised.

But fights for them with regards to the larger good and not for votes or for reelection.

The "professional left" has always been the people. We who suffer the bruises of strike breakers, we who go hungry, we who dare to ask questions that now get censored or to be put in prison for standing up when no one else will.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #65
96. Can you do that with four plates?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #96
148. LOL!
I already R'd, but here's a good place for a kick.
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fogonthelake Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #22
84. The concept of social justice is very intellectual. Perhaps too hard for
that poster??
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:36 PM
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101. But, if you accept her definition of "Professional Left" ...
you would have to accept that Gibbs was not talking about those folks FIGHTING FOR, and DOING work of social justice; but rather, whose getting paid to TALK ABOUT social justice. There is a huge difference. Those doing rarely waste the energy COMPLAINING about what isn't.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:41 PM
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135. Gibbs made clear who he was speaking for ... the pro-MIC, pro-private health care folks ....
and that certainly isn't who the left are --

And, Rahm has also made clear who he's for -- the "business leaders" he expects

to be "grateful."

That's what this frustration is about -- being found out and challenged --

Lashing out at the liberal/progressive base isn't going to help America -- it's

an effort to push the nation further to the right -- and EXPECT us to be grateful

for it!!

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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #22
169. +1000 nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:18 AM
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34. Yes, she did
Any more civilly than most would have.
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Sea Witch Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:57 AM
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36. She did answer you, you just don't like the answer
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:55 AM
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42. +1
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:44 AM
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38. Phoebe 1, tridim 0
She answered you. Maybe next time.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:54 AM
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41. tridim -1
because he/she came back PRETENDING he/she didn't receive an answer.
I am being extremely generous with -1.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:42 PM
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105. Agreed, tridim is an appropriate nick.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:25 AM
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45. That is because it was based on a bad premise
Your question is based on a false premise/straw man that Gibbs used to smear the left. Therefore your question has no answer.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:37 AM
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49. Oh, but she did...
... wether or not you liked the answer is a completely different matter. And more of a reflection on the dishonesty of your initial "concern."

The gig is up,
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:57 AM
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56. I can't speak for the OP, but here's my answer to that question.
Yes. That is exactly what I think.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:16 PM
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57. Yeah, she did.
You know it and still pretend you don't.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:07 PM
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67. Then learn to read because she did. Your inability to read for comprehension doesn't change that.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:42 PM
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136. The poster you're addressing isn't here to read . . . he's here to disrupt as much as possible...
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:22 PM
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132. He's trying to co-opt the "progressive" meme.
He can't go after "progressives", because they are
now trying to PAINT THEMSELVES as Progressives.

I am waiting the hear the definition of "Professional Left"
from Mr. Gibbs.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:46 PM
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145. or maybe you didn't like her answer, or didn't understand the implications
of Gibbs' remarks and how damaging they are to people who daily fight for others' welfare.

Try doing some of that yourself instead of demeaning and disparaging Dems.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Cowardly's an adjective
;-)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:47 PM
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138. Wicked people running a country have every right to continue to act wickedly,
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 05:51 PM by Joe Chi Minh
despite the unrealistic protestations of professional lefties, who don't understand that simple concept: "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine."

How long was it before slavery was abolished in the US (I don't mean the ersatz slavery of your prison gulag), after the rest of the leaders of the developed world had been shamed and forced to quit it? Was not your Senate reluctant to pass legislation providing for the punishment of lynchers, as late as the mid to late nineteen-forties? Have a little mercy on your leaders, will you, and don't ask too much from them. Everyone has to start from some base, however uncivilised.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:52 PM
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20. Yep- no question about it
They've been among the administration's more voracious critics- and for good reason.
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MsPithy Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:55 PM
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62. Yes! This is why Obama's comments are so, so, so offensive!
Let's get one thing straight. If Obama did not agree with Gibbs' outrageous attack on the Democratic base, Gibbs would be out of a job. Period. No one in the administration would be allowed to set the base on fire (in a bad way) two and a half months before an election unless it was the president's intention.

Now, as to the squirmy, "Gibbs was just talking about cable pundits," except he didn't stop with "the professional left." He snarls at people who want Canadian style health care! THAT IS ME, a 54 year old college educated white woman who has always voted for the Democrat, who cried, make that sobbed, real tears of joy on election night because I believed Obama when he said "Change we can believe in." Ya know what else? WE ARE RIGHT!!! Single payer is cheaper and the people are healthier, the very definition of social justice! Obama thinks protecting health insurance company profits is more important.

Then Gibbs accuses the left of wanting to "eliminate the pentagon." Gosh, I have this funny little rule, I DON'T VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS WHO VOMMIT UP FUCKING REPUBLICAN TALKING POINTS!

So, yes, yes, yes. I think this is Obama talking and these comments slosh over onto the people who take what I used to think were Democratic Party ideals most to heart.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #62
102. I like you and I like what you say.
:hi:
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MsPithy Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #102
114. Thanks, Enthusiast!
I'm so effin angry I revealed my real age, dammit.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #102
144. Ditto. n/t
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #62
117. Well said, MsPithy. n/t
-Laelth
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #62
120. Well MsPithy,
Welcome to DU :fistbump: I think I am going to like you.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #62
137. "unless it was the president's intention" --- 1000% ... and even sadder no apology from Obama....
But better for us all now to have a clearer understanding of what this

administration we put in place is really about!!

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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #62
155. Well said
Very well said. You said what many of us are thinking.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #62
162. Excellent post! Thank you!
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #62
167. WOW - Great Rant!
I hear ya....Feel the same.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:39 PM
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70. Gibbs was making up a term for people who annoy him.
There are several problems with the term he chose. First, many of us pride ourselves on the fact that, while the rest of the country swung rightward throwing everything from our economy to our environment to our school system off balance, some of us stayed in what used to be the center and is now considered left.

Are we the "professional left" because we have remained true to the highest ideals of the Democratic Party our entire lives? Is Gibbs chastising us because we refuse to be fooled by Obama's veer to the right.

Are the "professional left" those of us who get out and work for the Democratic Party ever election? Is the fact that we are reliable workers for our ideals a sign that we are "professional"?
And
By "professional left" is Gibbs referring to the rare news commentator or op ed author who agrees with our old-fashioned, FDR, Democratic point of view?

The OP posits yet another definition for "professional left": people who work in as professions in helping others -- community organizers as it were. Many of us, including myself, have done that kind of work or are doing it right now. Is that who Gibbs is talking about?

Gibbs needs to explain what he means when he talks about the "professional left," because I think that it was the members of the "professional left" who walked the precincts and made the phone calls for Obama. Who else does he think actually went to the polls in swing states like Ohio to make sure that voters especially in minority areas got their right to vote for Obama? Who else?

Gibbs needs to be fired. Grayson is right. Many of us are beginning to think that Obama is not who he pretended to be. I backed him only reluctantly to begin with, but once he was nominated I worked hard for him. He needs to remember who his friends were. How dare he treat us like dirt.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:20 PM
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115. it kind of doesn't matter whom Gibbs had in mind... the carelessness of his words
is being taken personally by many many good people, and he ought to know better and Obama ought to know better.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:24 PM
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118. Hell no he wasn't. By this idiotic definition I'd be a member of the professional left
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 05:05 PM by Number23
and after seeing YET ANOTHER froth-a-thon over nothing, LESS than damned nothing on this web site and by the real members of the "professional left," I'm happier than ever to be an independent.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #118
140. Me too. Take Lieberman, Crist, Harold Ford, Obama, Gibbs, Nelson, your DLC cabinet and all your
stankass Republican tag a longs to your corporate worshiping "sensible centrist" party and be done with it.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. This post makes as much sense and makes you look as stupid as all of your other ones have so
well done, honey. Consistency is definitely your thing.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #141
150. Preciateit
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #141
157. Sorry but
your post didn't make much sense either. Can you honestly not understand why people might be upset about what Gibbs had to say? Can you not understand how people from all walks of life feel insulted by his comments? A Canadian healthcare system would be better than our own - but we could do far better if our elected officials had any spine. No one is suggesting getting rid of the Pentagon - Kucinich would have made a great President and has actually provided important support to Obama on numerous occasions. Wonderful idea to contempuously remark that the "professional" left would not be satisfied with him as President.

You call it a "froth-a-thon" over nothing. I call it a serious break with many of the very people who helped elect the President - thereby also putting Gibbs in his position. The very same people who are paying his absurd salary. I'll go further - there have been riots over far less than his betrayal of his supporters and employers.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #157
166. No, I don't get why anyone who is not a member of the group that Gibbs was referring to
"the professional left" would be upset by what Gibbs had to say. And the fact that many on DU who have said that they don't have health insurance, can't afford to buy medicine, or who have commented that often they have to go without lots of things to pay bills, feel that somehow Gibbs was referring to them and that they are members of the "professional left" -- the true members of which are going without NOTHING right now -- lets me know that something has gotten terribly twisted somewhere.

Let those professional lefties pick their own battles. Lord knows they can afford to.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:34 AM
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170. If, in fact, Gibbs was referring only to the left wing media, he was referring to those who report
on the issues many of us have with some of the policies of President Obama's administration. We have little enough voice what with the corporate owned MSM and the 24/7 RW hate radio jocks. MSM news programs will put a Republican up to debate a centrist and the left is excluded. I don't care for him trying to silence the very few voices we have.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #170
172. Exactly correct.
The 'left' doesn't have a seat at the table. The left is excluded from every discussion. And this is the very essence of the problem with our nation.

The right and center have embraced bankrupt ideologies like trickle down supply-side economics and outsourcing of our jobs. When there is no input from the left there are simply no new ideas, none. The right and center's great new idea, starting with Saint Ronnie in the 1980s, was to outsource our precious, irreplaceable manufacturing jobs. Their second fabulous idea was to deregulate everything in sight.

Take the example of health care reform. The left was completely absent from the discussion so there were no new ideas. This while the Administration was willing to listen to ANY lame brain Republican proposal and even adopted several. So what were the results? A far less than satisfactory bill. And dissatisfaction with the HCR bill is reflected in Obama's job approval numbers.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 04:54 AM
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174. Yes, of course he was. Are you serious?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:25 PM
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3. Yes'm.
K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:27 PM
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5. Wish that I could rec more than once
:applause:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:33 PM
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10. I'll rec it for ya, cuz yer such an awesome DU'er!!!11
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:28 PM
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6. K & R x 1000
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:30 PM
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7. K&RRRRRRR X millionfinity+1 I rox!!!!1111
You guys kick ASS!!!!!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:35 PM
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12. BTW, love your profile.
;) x 1000
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:31 PM
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8. Much unlike "Professional politicians" whose only work is to get elected. K&R
And, put that priority to get and retain office above all else.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:33 PM
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9. You've been on fire for the past two days Phoebe. Keep it up!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:34 PM
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11. She's super kickass!11
:headbang:
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:38 PM
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14. Great post. Thank you! n/t
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:40 PM
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15. K&R nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:41 PM
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16. K&R X 867-5309!!!
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:45 PM by tridim
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:58 PM
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78. Your maturity is showing....
don't get all 12 year old on us because Pheobe schooled you with her response up top :spank:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:18 PM
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86. this is just tearing you up inside..
just eating away at you. a pretty good indication that you know that you're completely wrong.
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:03 PM
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21. If there is a professional left,
does that make Gibbs an amateur?
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:11 PM
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29. very good!
nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:19 AM
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35. Ot the "Professional Right"?
I'm serious -- because that was very strange to em, too.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:41 AM
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50. AGREED.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:43 AM
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51. Gibbs and his boss are no where near the left...
... so whether professional or amateurish, whatever they are... progressives ain't it.

Besides being quite the eye opening experience, I am getting quite the laugh at the people trying to spin their way out of this clusterfuck... and even when doing damage control these "moderates" can't help themselves and truly think the best way to make up for an insult is to... further the abuse. It is just fascinating to see the facade to wear off and the prick inside shining in full glory.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 12:19 AM
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168. I Think The...
...entire administration is acting like amateurs. They seem to be making it up as they go.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:39 PM
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23. I hope they'll still have to deal with the "professional left" (base) mandate in Nov.
we/they aren't going away

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:50 PM
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26. K&R and Thank You very much. K&R every word.
from Steinbeck:

One man, one family driven from the land; this rusty car
creaking along the highway to the west. I lost my land, a
single tractor took my land. I am alone and bewildered.
And in the night one family camps in a ditch and another
family pulls in and the tents come out. The two men squat
on their hams and the women and children listen. Here is the
node, you who hate change and fear revolution. Keep these
two squatting men apart; make them hate, fear, suspect each
other. Here is the anlarge of the thing you fear. This is the
zygote. For here "I lost my land" is changed; a cell is split
and from its splitting grows the thing you hate--"We lost our
land." The danger is here, for two men are not as lonely and
perplexed as one. And from this first "we" there grows a still
more dangerous thing: "I have a little food" plus "I have
none." If from this problem the sum is "We have a little
food," the thing is on its way, the movement has direction.
Only a little multiplication now, and this land, this tractor are
ours. The two men squatting in a ditch, the little fire, the side-
meat stewing in a single pot, the silent, stone-eyed women;
behind, the children listening with their souls to words their
minds do not understand. The night draws down. The baby
has a cold. Here, take this blanket. It's wool. It was my mother's
blanket--take it for the baby. This is the thing to bomb.
This is the beginning--from "I" to "we."

Source: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/show_tag?name=tom-joad
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MsPithy Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:33 PM
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154. This is magnificent!
Thank you, thank you Octafish! Good link, too. We should all reread, or READ for the first time--The Grapes of Wrath, please everyone! Read this book! I'm gonna listen to some Springsteen.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:16 PM
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163. Powerful words.
Thank you, Octafish.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:25 PM
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27. Thanks Phoebe.
You inspired me to start a thread naming names. I hope it goes somewhere.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:45 PM
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28. K & R
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:12 PM
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30. Bravo, bravo, bravo!!!
And did ya hear Rachel tonight? She was lit.

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EXneoCON Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:48 AM
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31. Thank you, Phoebe...
a K&R from me! Couldn't agree more and keep up the fight.




AND as an added bonus, I'm able to easily add some weeds to the "Red X of Ignoredom" recycle bin.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:08 AM
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32. Thank you Phoebe.
:applause:
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:17 AM
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33. k&r
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Sisaruus Donating Member (703 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:42 AM
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37. Thank you.
I've been a proud member of the professional left for the last 35 (or more) years. I thank you for your words.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:17 AM
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39. every now and someone just nails the truth--thank you
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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:21 AM
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40. Mr Gibbs has become the 'good enemy'
for the professional left--by striking the match that has caused so many people to revisit their true identities. I think this aspect is very beautiful, as is your post.

It is for this very reason, since the 'professional left' have found our voice and thus our dignity (which to me is universal dignity....) we need to send a message and insist that Mr Gibbs be replaced, or this sort of classic insult will be precedent.

We have to stand our ground somewhere, and this is a good a chance as any.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:52 AM
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53. I agree whole heartedly with the sentiment of your post.
Alas, Gibbs's words are a symptom not the disease. This administration simply has no interest in progressives unless it is to get votes from them, replacing Gibbs won't change the fact that for the most part this admin is controlled by the DLC, and thus they all share the same level (or even larger if that is even possible) of disdain for the left. Firing Gibbs will not change that.

I think this admin has finally gone on the record stating exactly what their actions have hinted at from day 1. There has been a significant divide between Mr. Obama's rhetoric and the actions of his administration. In that sense, Mr. Obama et al ran out of the plausible deniability they have been abusing for so long to expect the support of liberals through thick and thin.

Now that the cards are all on the table for us to see, the question is: what is the left going to do about it. Continue the abuse, or finally decide that enough is enough and proceed accordingly.

In any case, once again the DLC chewed more than they can swallow. These idiots couldn't even manage the ice cream stand at a GOP convention.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:00 AM
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43. The "professional left" are the true base of what USED to be
the Democratic Party before it was infiltrated by the corporatists and centrists and disgruntled republicans.
At least during the campaign (when they WANTED US), they labeled us "grassroots".
Now, they sneer at us because we want our promised place at the adult table--so, they must insult and denigrate us to keep us at the kid's table.
Excellent post. K&R.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:33 AM
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48. Before and after.
Grassroots Professional Left

:thumbsup:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:47 PM
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76. No, the professional left are those that engage in over the top complaints and accusations
like Bush=Obama. Those people never produced anything but complaints
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:49 PM
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122. you mean like this Professional left person?
quote: John Kerry,


Dismissing dissent is not only wrong, but dangerous when America's leadership is unwilling to admit mistakes, unwilling to engage in honest discussion, and unwilling to hold itself accountable for the consequences of decisions made without genuine disclosure, or genuine debate. As Thomas Jefferson said, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:50 PM
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123. or this professional left person?
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.

- Harry S Truman

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suzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:52 PM
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124. +1,000
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 04:09 AM
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173. Maybe you should entertain
the possibility that you could be wrong.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:15 AM
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44. Very well said
Thanks for your post.

K&R
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:28 AM
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46. Wow Phoebe
What a beautiful post, thank you so much for this, you totally nailed it! Big time K&R.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:45 AM
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52. Are we starting to see a new "McCarthyism" rising rising from Rahm and Gibbs?
How sad it would be if the Democratic Leadership turns into something ugly like that era.

Thanks for your post Phoebe. Someone needed to point this out. The more one thinks about what Gibbs said you can see that the "Professional Left" (and by inference their supporters) are the same folks that "Old Joe McCarthy" was after when he talked about Communists and their Sympathizers. Since RW Tea Baggers are calling Obama and Dems Socialists it take Rahm and Gibbs to hit back with tactics that might infer that they both agree with the Repug RW that "Professional Left" is fringe loonies who are dangerous to Democracy. IE...McCarthy tactics. Drum them out. What's next? Investigations into the "Progressive Left?" Hauling them up for hearings? One can see how this could get out of hand.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:53 AM
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54. Obama was part of the "professional left" as a community organizer.
Appartently Gibbs didn't think about that when he spouted off.

FIRE HIM.

They didn't have any trouble firing the Ag worker for out of context comments.

What Gibbs said was not out of context. It's all too familar.

CAN his sorry ass.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:48 PM
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77. No Obama was part of the progressive movement that makes things better for people
the "professional left", that Gibbs described, only engages in complaining.
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:11 PM
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108. That's how HE defined the professional left. I choose not to accept his definition. heh. nt.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:57 AM
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55. I worked as a caseworker and an advocate for street kids
That makes me a member of the professional left, I guess.....


I still don't care what Gibbs says. He's a shill.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:19 PM
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58. Truth.
K&R!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:26 PM
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59. barack was a "professional left" before he arrived at the whitehouse.....
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:46 PM
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75. Obama was a progressive that actually got things done
he isn't part of the professional left, that Gibbs spoke of. The professional left has produced nothing but complaints.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:08 PM
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80. Really? What happened?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:32 PM
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133. They are attempting to co-opt the term "progressive", jgraz....
Because it resonates.

Now HOW are they going to get the members of the
ACTUAL PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS to change their name to
the "Professional Left Caucus"?

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

They're tanking our mid-terms.

:cry:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:07 PM
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153. Of course they are.
They couldn't possibly be more transparent.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:51 PM
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107. yeah, like immunity for wiretapping telecoms. so progressive. nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:53 PM
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125. Oh you mean like the MOVE-On Progressives that Rahm called Retards?
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 04:58 PM by flyarm
like those progressives.. Because that is who Rahm, working for this adminstration, was calling Retards!

Well Move-On ( PROGRESSIVES) and the Unions!

do you even have one idea what you are talking about???????????
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:57 PM
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158. Really?
That's the first time I've seen that particular definition of the professional left. Since we all seem to be uncertain as to what exactly it means, I'm glad you were able to let us know. Professional left = People who produce nothing but complaints. I'm not sure what that has to do with the left and I'm not sure how that's professional and I'm really not sure how you came up with that clarification of the definition, but I'm sure we're all real grateful.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:26 PM
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60. Kick & Rec for you Phoebe
Probably the best comment on Gibbs statement, ever.

zalinda
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:29 PM
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61. K&R
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 12:55 PM
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63. indeed, the Tom Joad's know their work is "never done"
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:04 PM
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66. Not who Gibbs was talking about
the 'professional left' he was talking about are the ones who TALK and BLOG about what they think should be the rights and dignity of others. They TALK and BLOG about how they feel the hunger of the poor, the cold of the homeless and the pain of the untreated, but yet they spend on frills for themselves instead of on those they "say" they care about.
Basically, Gibbs was talking about those who expect somebody else to do it as they say, because they aren't man enough to make it their life's work.

Tell me something: if the good people you define here have to make it their LIFE'S work in order to have any significant impact, why the hell do people believe President Obama should accomplish such things in just 2 years?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:21 PM
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89. the ones who TALK and BLOG about what they think speak the same concerns as us..
on the "amateur left."
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 03:39 AM
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171. You mean the people who speak up for us? nt
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:09 PM
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68. K&R (n/t)
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:41 PM
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71. Don't confuse all of us that are liberals with the "professional left"
the professional left is represented by those who claim Bush = Obama. They are not the type that ever produce any sort of real results
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:43 PM
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73. I don't think there is any confusion.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 02:11 PM by bvar22
Gibbs was specific.
Those of us who want to stop the WAR, and believe that Americans deserve the same quality of Health Care that is taken for granted in the rest of the civilized WORLD know exactly who Gibbs was talking about.

K&R
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 01:44 PM
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74. That would be incorrect, it was people that were so far out of touch with reality
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 02:05 PM by NJmaverick
they actually believe that President Obama is the same as Bush.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:15 PM
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85. I guess it was sad for you, because those of us that took the time to read
know that Gibbs make it crystal clear he was talking about those that say Bush and Obama are the same.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 10:24 PM
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164. Yes, how foolish of us to want those things.
Why is it always the government versus the hippies?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:30 PM
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93. I don't even confuse you for a liberal.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:35 PM
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100. I am a liberal and I stand by the Democratic party
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 02:38 PM by NJmaverick
do you support the Democratic party?

Do you support our President?

Do you support the millions that got badly needed healthcare because of our President?

Do you support the reforms the Party and the President enacted on Wall Street?

Do you support the appointment of two liberal judges, both women, that were appointed to the Supreme Court?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:41 PM
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104. Well, I've been one for 25 years now, Mr. McCarthy.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 02:41 PM by Forkboy
You do know, by the way, that there are liberal people out there that aren't Democrats, correct? You can be liberal and a Democrat, as well as liberal and not a Democrat. The two don't have to equate to the other.

Only someone not based in reality would deny that, so I'm hoping you'll be consistent.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:44 PM
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106. Wouldn't Mr. McCarthy, in a DU setting, be the one accusing others of not being a liberal?
As for the rest of your post, one can be a liberal but not a Democrat. One can't be a progressive though and not support the Democratic party. In my view progressive (like the root progress) are about getting things done and that is only going to happen with the Democrats in power.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:29 PM
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111. color me surprised! could have fooled me..NOT!!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:54 PM
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146. perhaps a LINO?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:27 PM
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110. I doubt there is any confusion at all where you stand. No doubt at all in fact! eom
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:31 PM
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112. Yup, I stand proudly as a liberal progressive
someone with their feet on the ground that is all about making progress and getting things done. Thank you for noticing! :hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:27 PM
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119. whatever you say..ROFLMAO!!!lolol lolol lolol
thanks I needed a good belly laugh..
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:30 PM
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121. Yup laughter is the best medicine
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 04:32 PM by NJmaverick
laugh all you need to laugh. To be honest though, the false framing of this OP is no laughing matter
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:01 PM
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127. personally I don't find any propaganda or those who engage in it funny!
In fact I find it quite dangerous to our democracy!

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:08 PM
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129. Yup, that's one of the disturbing aspects of the smear Gibbs campaign.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 05:10 PM by NJmaverick
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:49 PM
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161. I would say, Gibbs was the smearer..and the internet is resoundly confirming that ..everywhere on
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 09:49 PM by flyarm
the net..

Good luck with those Oaths that came out today..the only nut cases and people who need to get off the drugs may be looking at you in the mirror! But only you know that.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 05:32 AM
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175. Gibbs thinks Bush was better for the country on National Security
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 05:33 AM by sabrina 1
than Howard Dean. So why would it bother him if Obama=Bush?

What does that make him? Professional Right?
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fogonthelake Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:08 PM
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79. Long may they prosper.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:11 PM
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82. K&R
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:11 PM
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83. K&R
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:22 PM
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90. i'll raise your k&r..
with a k&r!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:33 PM
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95. Hey I did two K&R's
It wasn't intentional, but I'm still takin credit.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:19 PM
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87. K&R for a powerful post. - n/t
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Spheric Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:19 PM
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88. K&R Damn straight. /nt
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:23 PM
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91. K&R. Very well said.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:27 PM
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92. K&R

:yourock: :applause:


:shakes head in disbelief: at the pathetic level of discourse and low and disgusting tactics employed by some in this thread and related ones.

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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:33 PM
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94. K&R
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:33 PM
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97. Nice stuff, Phoebe! nt
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:34 PM
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98. Agreed
I'm a progressive here who is very close to what could be considered a Democratic Socialist in many cases.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:34 PM
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99. Agreed
Edited on Thu Aug-12-10 02:35 PM by LatteLibertine
Double post.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 02:39 PM
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103. K&R from an FDR Liberal ...
who wants to Stop the WAR, cut Military Spending, and believes that Americans deserve the same quality Health Care that the rest of the Civilized WORLD takes for granted.



"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."

--- Paul Wellstone


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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:24 PM
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109. "all the dirty work they asked us to do - and we did it, gladly, and quietly "
( AS I POSTED ON ANOTHER THREAD LIKE THIS ONE!)


so much for transparency, huh??????????


"WHAT DIRTY WORK" ??? that you did "and we did it, gladly, and quietly

that you did for the campaign??"

Then there's all that work we did for the campaign,"

Who asked you to do dirty work gladly and quietly during the campaign?

Did they compensate you ?

What was offered for you to do Dirty Work GLADLY AND QUIETLY for the Obama campaign?

Why did you not report that to the Election Ethics people?

Are you aware of other blogs, message boards who were asked to do the same???????

Were Campaign or Election laws broken?

Was this widespread among Blog/ message board/internet journalists?? Was this extortion? or were internet blogs/message boards/ web sites owners collectively asked to do this ? Was it collusion? Was anyone threatened with punishment for not joining to conspire in message control?

Someone needs to Question John Aravosis AND ASK some of these questions..were campaign Laws broken? And if so, seeing his web site is relatively small, what was done with the bigger web sites? Was there Collusion? A conspiracy to control messages or to slow the flow of information or disenfranchise certain people and opinions?


Pretty serious charges John has made!!

and serious questions should be asked about it!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 03:40 PM
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113. So you personally define "the professional left"
..to make sure you have room to be offended? Is that how its done?

Its like me being offended that you are critizising me for snarkily denigrating the left - because you know - Robert Gibbs and me are both white males. So what you say about him is clearly aimed at me too.

The definition in the OP is not even close to the demographic Gibbs was reffering to.

Textbook strawman.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:20 PM
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116. Thank you for this nice OP
"The Professional Left - long may they prosper. And may those who snarkily denigrate them and their goals be damned." Wonderful.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 04:58 PM
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126. K&R
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:02 PM
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128. Don't forget *scientists*. People who could be making much larger salaries
in industry or on Wall Street, but prefer to teach, learn, and inspire. (At least in the ideal case.)
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:11 PM
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130. Social justice. How quaint. I do not need to read to rec.
How quaint is sarcasm.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:12 PM
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131. Wow .... they don't think the "big picture" is corporatism, huh???
Thanks for all the reminders of what we truly are -- and strive to be --

and the great liberals who have tried to help us all -- many known, many unknown.

Feels good to remember!!


:)






Fighting for the rights and dignity of others - journalists, social workers, community organizers, labor leaders, educators, lawyers, political leaders, campaign workers, civil rights advocates, writers, musicians, artists, workers, visionaries, idealists, and the like.

These people who see a larger picture and recognize us as a connected whole. People who feel the hunger of the poor, the cold of the homeless, the pain of the untreated, the suffering of the refugee and do something about it.

Upon reflection, Tom Joad in the Grapes of Wrath would be considered a member of the Professional Left when he left his family to fight for social justice:

Ill be all around in the dark. Ill be ever-where wherever you can look. Wherever theres a fight so hungry people can eat, Ill be there. Wherever theres a cop beatin up a guy, Ill be there. Ill be in the way guys yell when theyre mad Ill be in the way kids laugh when theyre hungry an they know suppers ready. An when the people are eatin the stuff they raise, and livin in the houses they build Ill be there, too.

The Professional Left - long may they prosper. And may those who snarkily denigrate them and their goals be damned.
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:34 PM
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134. I'm with ya there!
:applause:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 05:47 PM
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139. K&R -- great post!
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:25 PM
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142. Kick
:hi:
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:31 PM
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143. K&R
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:56 PM
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147. Jesus would be considered a member of the professional left using that standard too
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 06:58 PM
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149. knr. bullseye Phoebe!!! Makes me proud to be a "professional leftie"
every day! :)
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:29 PM
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151. i hope the WH is reading DU
There have been some moving insightful comments here in the the past 2 days, this OP included. The WH could learn a lot about why we're so mad, assuming they really don't understand it.

DU, it's comforting to be in your company.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 07:42 PM
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152. May God bless and keep the Professional Left
May there always be a refreshing breeze at your back and a bright star to guide you in the deepest night.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:42 PM
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156. I'm too late to rec,
but so well put!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 08:58 PM
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159. but a kick is as good as a rec.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 09:37 PM
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160. And your point?
I believe you when you say you've been fighting for social justice... But so have I. Just because we have a different game plan doesn't mean we don't have the same goal in mind.

WHO IS MORE WORTHY OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE CROWN OF THORNS? :sarcasm:

Personally I believe we all wear it, but differ only in the way we choose to fight the battle. And THIS is what bothers me the most about the infighting, this OP being just one example... one side appears to be claiming altruistic goals as their own.

I don't question your social justice motivations, why do you appear to be saying mine don't exist? I want the same thing(s) as you. Is there a point to this OP, or is it just another us (the only TRUE social justice warriors) vs. them (those -like me- who are joining in this bruhaha just for... :shrug:





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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-10 11:17 PM
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165. Rec'd yesterday. As great to read again today. n/t
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 07:47 AM
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176. FYI: Phoebe Loosinhouse asked to have her account shut down.
I figure I should post this publicly, so people don't jump to conclusions.

Locking.

Skinner
DU Admin
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