So what do you think of Virgin Bikini Waxing?

[texastoast]

You know, eight-year-olds?

"Virgin" Bikini Waxing Now Popular for Pre-Teen Girls

http://gothamist.com/2008/08/15/virgin_bikini_waxing_no...


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"Virgin-waxing for children 8 years old and up who have never shaved before. Virgin hair can be waxed so successfully that growth can be permanently stopped in just 2 to 6 sessions. Save your child a lifetime of waxing... and put the money in the bank for her college education instead"

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Pre-puberty hair, called ‘velus,’ is a fine, light pigmented hair. When a child hits puberty - which these days is happening to kids as young as 9 - the hair coarsens and darkens.” And must be torn out by the roots if you don't want the other girls to laugh at you!

Of course some people, like child psychiatrist Candida Fink, think “this is another example of how younger and younger girls are being sexualized and objectified.” And Dr. Diane Levin, co-author of the book So Sexy So Soon, tells MSNBC that “girls are learning the worst possible lessons about body image and body hair. Keep your bodies like little girls’ because that’s what men like.”

[SoCalDem]

1. a definite WTF!

nothing like making an 8 yr old self conscious and "worried" about their body

8 yr olds should be skateboarding, playing with dolls, riding their bikes & NOT focusing on their "girlie bits"..

[tularetom]

2. I think they should stop beating around the bush

[dipsydoodle]

5. lol

The subject is vergin' on the ridiculous anyway.

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[ithinkmyliverhurts]

3. I try not to.

[onethatcares]

4. I think

we've become a fucked up society that hates the female side.

How many guys would go for waxing their teabags? Ya'll already know what happens when you shave that region, the stubbles will kill ya/

[flvegan]

6. This thread might get brilliant.

[WinkyDink]

7. Okay, this is either a spoof or some pedo's dream job.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

8. We have to look no further than

[brendan120678]

71. Oh man...I had a feeling he'd show up. (nt)

[texastoast]

10. OMG I think it is real

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26182276

[Liquorice]

9. Ripping a child's hair out is abuse. Anyone who does this should be arrested. nt

[MajorChode]

22. No more so than piercing the ear lobes of babies

[darkstar3]

43. +10!

Leave the body mods until the kids are old enough to legally get them and decide for themselves.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

50. Or at least old enough to make rationale choices

I don't think they need to be 18 years old to get ears pierced, but 18 days old is clearly too young to consent.

[darkstar3]

51. At various mall stores,

children may get their ears pierced with parental consent at various ages below 18.

I've seen 16, 15, 12, and 11, depending on the sign in the store.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

53. I have no problem with any of that since presumtively the child wants it

One of my daughers wanted her navel done in the worst way at 15. She was declined permission. By 18 the urge had past. At 20 she had to have her ears redone since she had not worn earrings for so long they closed over.

I had both ears pierced at one point...but no longer.

[Horse with no Name]

57. I am sure this is spoken by someone who has never

had the hair ripped from their body vs. their ears pierced.

There really is NO comparison regarding pain/discomfort.

With that being said--I wouldn't do either one of them to my child.

[MajorChode]

60. You missed the point here

..which is my fault for not clarifying better.

The level of pain/discomfort doesn't really matter. If you want other examples of higher levels or duration of pain, I can give you several. My point was that parents have been making these kinds of decisions pretty much forever, and not just in the US, but all over the world in practically every country and culture. So the camels nose was under the tent a long time ago. Perhaps some of these things need to be classified as abuse, but if that is the case where do you start and where do you end and who gets to decide based on what standard?

[Horse with no Name]

61. I understand, however

if a child grows up and decides she doesn't want her ears pierced, she simply can let them grow closed.
It isn't permanent.
OTOH, hair removal is.
Unlike circumcision, pubic hair removal serves no purpose or intent--not even under the guise of cleanliness or prevention of infection. It is purely a procedure to sexualize and objectify a young woman by making her "desirable" to men without her consent. Something that is medieval and smacks of something done in Afghanistan or other third world countries that have no respect for women.

[texastoast]

67. +10

No comparison.

And life is long. The subconscious does weird things when we get older. I don't think our subconsciousnesses would remember us fondly for doing something so painful to ourselves, though consciously, we may say we don't remember the pain, or "It musn't have been that bad." It would be an interesting study to follow-up with these poor pubeless girls when they are crone.

[Pisces]

65. This is a cultural custom for many. I hardly think the two are comparable.

[MajorChode]

68. So is skull deformation and neck stretching

Just because something is a cultural custom doesn't mean it is or isn't abuse, which was part of my point to begin with.

[Ezlivin]

11. Wax 'em and feed 'em Chinese powdered milk

She'll be working the stripper pole like a pro before she gets out of elementary school.

In case you were wondering what special powers Chinese milk has, here you go.

[LiberalFighter]

12. What happens when the girl grows up and doesn't want it bare?

Should parents be making those type of decisions for their children?

I don't see a damn thing in the bible that requires parents to do this. I bet if they rewrote the bible again they would make it a requirement.

[texastoast]

13. Probably

After all, it is "natural" to have pubes, and dominating nature (sexual or otherwise) is the culture we live in.

All I can say is that it could certainly cause some unwanted friction in the course of her natural life. Sheesh.

[LostinVA]

31. I guess they can go buy a merkin

Again --

[L0oniX]

44. Hair restoration implants ...that's the ticket.

[eppur_se_muova]

73. Pay to remove it, pay to restore it. This is progress. nt

[seabeyond]

52. wtf does this have to do with the bible? nt

[Lance_Boyle]

62. Call the Merkin Man. n/t

[county worker]

14. Well, when those suicide bombers in the Mid East get their 72 virgins they're going to

have a large waxing bill.

[LiberalFighter]

47. How old are those virgins? 72? Are they female or male?

[county worker]

55. I never got into it that much but I guess any sex and any age can get waxed now.

[Scout]

15. totally disgusting ... hell, adult women don't need to rip out their pubes either

but look how many of them do???

better to teach girls "don't like looking at my pubes? quit looking at my crotch."

[liberal N proud]

16. Setting personal preference to side, this is another case where parents

need to let their children choose for themselves when they are old enough to do so.

[sandyj999]

17. It seems to me there could be an industry here.

First there is Latisse to make your lashes longer and now this. Maybe there is a business potential here. : )

[HopeHoops]

18. Add 10 years and I'm all for it.

[LWolf]

19. There's something wrong with pubic hair?

It's so dreadful that we have to prevent it from developing?

[texastoast]

34. Evolutionists say

It's there as a dry lubricant, which makes sense. What is dreadful are those parents would would abuse their kids like this.

[LWolf]

35. Yes.

While I've tried to forgive, I've never forgotten small things like my mother my first trip to a gynecologist with her 100 favorite people. (Thank god there was no internet at the time.) Those things weren't disfiguring, though, and they weren't permanent.

[kenny blankenship]

40. Ever been able to get one off your soft palate without using your fingers?

I'm not saying they should be prevented from ever growing, but let's not pretend they are without their drawbacks.

[LWolf]

45. Fingers, tongue...whatever.

[Whisp]

20. holy crap. who does these procedures?

reading this was like swallowing ipecac.

good grief people are insane. what an idiot filled world.

[Individualist]

21. "Look over here, not over there"

[Poll_Blind]

23. Dude what the fuck. (I just passed out and cannot type any longer)

PB

[geek tragedy]

24. The 70's style Texas Tumbleweed should never have gone out of style. nt

[democrat2thecore]

25. Bizarre - MEN TOO!

When I was in my 20's a guy wouldn't be caught dead shaving his pubic hair.
Today, at least by what porn shows, guys are shaving it off! Ugh.

[LWolf]

27. I was wondering about that.

How many families are going to wax their 8 yo boys until they've guaranteed he won't grow pubic hair in a few years?

Has this really become common for men, as well?

They don't seem to be waxing the rest of their body hair.

[Liberal_in_LA]

37. chest hair waxing is big with men

[ProgressiveProfessor]

49. Not all that many

[Lorien]

54. Hell, I went to a huge art gallery event here in town called "Nude Nite" where

the entertainers, artist's models and wait staff were all nude-or were wearing nothing more than body paint. I didn't see a single pubic hair the entire evening. It kind of felt like being in a large room with many, many naked prepubescents of both genders-which wasn't very sexy.

[county worker]

56. I was, am a nudist since the early 80's. At our club there were shared showers.

All ages all sexes showered in one big shower room. Women shaved everything right there with everyone around. It didn't bother anyone. Most women were hairless all the time.


My guess is that what some people can tolerate others can't. There is no "normal" there is only what we feel is right or not.

On edit, a person being nude does not always mean they are nude for sexual reasons or they are nude intending to be a turn on. Most of us are not very sexy looking nude.

[democrat2thecore]

26. Based on a 2 year old blog post and a 2 year old MSNBC article?

why bring this bizarre topic up now? Just curious.

[Individualist]

28. See post 21

[texastoast]

33. Oh, I don't know

I clicked on another link in a DU post and saw this article. I had no idea. Did you?

The sexualization of younger and younger girls just creeps me out, oh, wait, no, it makes me fucking furious. The parents who would do this creep me out even more.

[LostinVA]

29. WTF

That should be illegal, and remember that I am the author of the still-running "body hair" thread here on DU.

[zappaman]

30. not necessary

as long as there is dental floss.

[MichaelHarris]

32. two words

70s bush, and I don't mean the drunken stoned one.

[a la izquierda]

36. oh fucking hell...

yet another sign of how incredibly depraved and fucked up this country is.

[patrice]

39. Yep and these are the ones who will be in charge of our old age :- (

[a la izquierda]

48. so scary...

and i'm only 33.
*sigh* my husband is going to die when he hears this.

[one_voice]

38. I would think that's child abuse..

True story on waxing. I decided I was going to wax the old bikini area. It turned out very badly, blood, bruising, swelling and burns. It was the most painful week and half, I couldn't wear pants/undies I was wearing this makeshift diaper like thing. Needless to say I've never done it again. My poor husband didn't know what to do, he went between, screaming about going to the ER (how embarrassing)to giving me pounds of ice.

It's funny now, wasn't then.

[AsahinaKimi]

41. I don't usually say this but..

WTF?

[JoePhilly]

46. Thanks for this thread ...

Mainly because I can't see how anyone on DU can blame Obama for this ... yet.

Beyond that ... on a more serious note, I have 2 daughters, one 11, on about to be 8.

The 11 year old is "developing" rapidly. She likes to shower in "mom's shower", which is attached to our master bedroom. I happened to walk in not knowing she was in there and I learned that my sweet little 11 year old girl had more pubic hair at 11 than I did at 17. Talk about scaring dad. I almost passed out. Later that night I gave my wife grief for not telling me so that I would not be shocked. Turns out, my wife had also developed a bit early, who knew?

Beyond that terrifying moment ... when I hear folks discuss shaving that stuff, or waxing it ... I get even more uncomfortable. I mean, a woman is supposed to have hair there. A little girl does not. A woman does.

Sure trim it, thin it, make a topiary garden, but something should be there. And the girl / woman should decide. But when it comes to my daughters, I'm not sure I want to know.

[uncommon]

58. No woman should feel the need to do this - much less young girls.

It's unhygienic, miserably painful, and 100% unnecessary.

[Horse with no Name]

59. I'm sure this is MOST appealing to the "Daddy's" that also want

to control their little girls virginity too.

This is freaking sick and should be illegal.

[JVS]

63. Keep on rockin' in the free world!

[derby378]

64. Okay, joke's over, no way in Hell anyone would - WTF?!?

Ahem...

We are mammals. We are primates. As such, we have hair. Hair is nothing to be ashamed about. In fact, hair can be a sign of good health.

And that includes the hair "down there." What an atrocity that little girls should be pressured to seek this out.

[Matariki]

66. And must be torn out by the roots if you don't want the other girls to laugh at you!

That is one fucked up sentence.

[Fumesucker]

69. The OP reminded me of this article..

http://www.blogher.com/today-www-jennifersuarez-com-ano...

Warning: Don't read this while drinking anything, your computer will suffer the consequences.

[texastoast]

75. Too tooo tooo

visual. Cringing and laughing.

[Flipper999]

70. Oh wtf

Just what little Suzy needs.

[Blue_In_AK]

72. Good grief!

I've never had a wax in my life and it never hurt my sex life any or resulted in anyone laughing at me.

This is ridiculous.

[Odin2005]

74. This is child abuse and mutilation.