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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:13 PM
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If it is true that forces are acting to divide Democrats,
who has been more divisive?

Rahm, gibbs, et al, calling progressives names and dismissing their ideas?

OR

Progressives who take offense at being insulted?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:14 PM
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1. the republican opposition
obviously
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:16 PM
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2. Your statement posits Gibbs' remarks as the start of the divide.
Rather, I'd posit that the start of the divide occurred at the hands of people like Jane Hamsher, who joined up with Grover Norquist to help kill a progressive bill.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:27 PM
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5. I'll go further than that...
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 01:52 PM by wyldwolf
1930s - progressives who criticized FDR's New Deal
1948 - Progressives who ran against Harry Truman
1960 - Progressives who lobbied from the DNC convention in opposition to JFK's nomination
1968 - Progressives who threatened (and did) sit out the presidential election
1980 - Progressives who worked to convince delegates for Jimmy Carter to change their votes to Ted Kennedy on the convention floor.
2000 - Ralph Nader

Progressives who see no problem hurling all manner of vitriol at other Democrats but get whiny/pouty when it's given back.

Long story short, Progressives who believe they, alone, are the "true Democrats" although they've not participated in the party very long - relatively speaking.

Just a short history lesson. You don't have to like it. But the facts are not in dispute.

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:29 PM
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6. I like your version better.
You're absolutely right. These people are useless idiots.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:54 PM
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:57 PM
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14. And what, pray tell, would "address the problem" that we're pointing out?
Oh wise one, please enlighten me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:59 PM
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:04 PM
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20. Enjoy!
You'll save me plenty of time too.
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Kweli4Real Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:23 PM
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23. No ...
They are useful ... to the opposition and to to masses of the American electorate that can't be bothered to listen to the arguments, but are content to rest on the fact that someone, anyone, is angry.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:44 PM
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:49 PM
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10. Progressive want a fight, but they want everyone to lay down and not defend themselves
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:02 PM
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18. Centrists only fight those they consider weaker than they are. They are fucking feckless useless
wankers the whole lot of them.

More useless than bumps on a log.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:03 PM
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:58 PM
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15. Here's a novel idea: Attack the right instead of the left. (nt)
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:00 PM
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17. better do it quick though
because they are falling off a cliff w-a-y the hell and gone over there.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:09 PM
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22. Good post...nt
Sid
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:18 PM
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3. Short answer
It all relates to those who belong to, or act like they belong to, the DLC.

They dont appreciate liberals, they would prefer to see our party taken over completely by conservatives.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:25 PM
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4. +1
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:55 PM
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13. Correct answer!
:thumbsup:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:34 PM
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7. ....
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:48 PM
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9. The message control is strong today.
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:53 PM
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11. LOL
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 01:53 PM by Barack2theFuture
:rofl:

aren't they cute?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:07 PM
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21. This discussion is divisive, too. n/t
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:24 PM
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24. This isn't a discussion, unfortunately.
It's *my* fault for asking the question.

good.
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