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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:06 PM
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I talked to three of my Democratic neighbors this morning.
The discussion was about Romanoff's loss, but I decided to ask their opinion on Gibbs' statement from yesterday. To my surprise, none of them even knew what I was talking about. After I explained what he said, they basically responded with, "So what?" and agreed that it's not an issue that is worth fretting about, especially right now. In hindsight I kind of felt bad for even bringing it up.

These aren't passive voters, they are all Democratic activists, and most definitely Obama's base by strict definition.

Has anyone else talked to real-world Democrats (outside of DU) about this issue? It might provide some good perspective.
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  - Well, there you have. Your anecdote should put this to bed.  moksha   Aug-11-10 12:08 PM   #1 
  - Have you talked to your real Democratic friends yet about the issue?  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:09 PM   #2 
     - Yeah, they weren't surprised.  moksha   Aug-11-10 12:10 PM   #4 
        - Why did you initially respond to my post without mentioning that?  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:13 PM   #7 
           - Neither are you , sweet ums.  moksha   Aug-11-10 02:24 PM   #51 
  - None of my neighbors are Dems.  Scurrilous   Aug-11-10 12:10 PM   #3 
  - Try the Internets and Cable Noise...that's where stories like these get HUGE play...and why  joeybee12   Aug-11-10 12:12 PM   #6 
  - It's all over Facebook too  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-11-10 12:15 PM   #13 
  - Is there a consensus?  EFerrari   Aug-11-10 12:17 PM   #17 
     - Most of my FB friends are lefties  proud2BlibKansan   Aug-11-10 02:18 PM   #50 
  - Nothing on the front page of google news.  Scurrilous   Aug-11-10 12:47 PM   #43 
  - I spoke to a friend who had been in the woods for a week  Morning Dew   Aug-11-10 12:11 PM   #5 
  - Tell me exactly what you said.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:14 PM   #10 
     - just curious as to why u even asked people  iamthebandfanman   Aug-11-10 12:17 PM   #16 
     - I want to know how the info was framed in his real-life situation.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:20 PM   #24 
        - lol!  moksha   Aug-11-10 02:25 PM   #52 
     - My anecdote was as vague as yours in the details  Morning Dew   Aug-11-10 12:19 PM   #21 
        - What did you say to your woodland friend that drew that response?  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:21 PM   #25 
           - You first. How did you frame it to your "so what" neighbors?  Morning Dew   Aug-11-10 12:24 PM   #29 
              - I repeated the transcript.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:25 PM   #30 
                 - I told her  Morning Dew   Aug-11-10 12:47 PM   #42 
                    - "I can only assume that she thought Gibbs was speaking about her"  tridim   Aug-11-10 01:02 PM   #45 
                       - In repeating the transcript to your neighbors  Morning Dew   Aug-11-10 01:12 PM   #46 
                          - We talked about it briefly as the conversation was wrapping up.  tridim   Aug-11-10 01:20 PM   #47 
  - I talked to 3 friends last night. 2 knew about what he said  Touchdown   Aug-11-10 12:13 PM   #8 
  - They're.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:15 PM   #12 
     - I answered your question.  Touchdown   Aug-11-10 12:17 PM   #15 
        - ...  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-11-10 12:18 PM   #18 
        - Pointing out spelling mistakes is not an "attitude"  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:19 PM   #19 
        - You are correct. So is mistaking definitions.  Touchdown   Aug-11-10 12:20 PM   #23 
        - the OP never wanted an answer..  iamthebandfanman   Aug-11-10 12:19 PM   #20 
           - I know. I shattered his fantasy and he attacks my possessive pronouns.  Touchdown   Aug-11-10 12:23 PM   #26 
  - Funny You Should Ask...  Steely_Dan   Aug-11-10 12:14 PM   #9 
  - If they didn't know I cannot believe they are activists  DainBramaged   Aug-11-10 12:14 PM   #11 
  - They were busy with the campaign yesterday.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:16 PM   #14 
  - I talked to a former republican friend of mine  quinnox   Aug-11-10 12:19 PM   #22 
  - It is August. No one in my office had her of the whole Shirely Sherrod debacle.  FSogol   Aug-11-10 12:23 PM   #27 
  - We all decided we were part of the professional left - they all knew what Gibbs said.  jillan   Aug-11-10 12:24 PM   #28 
  - Anecdotal evidence, tridim.  Dogtown   Aug-11-10 12:27 PM   #31 
  - The DU freakout over the past 24 hours is also anecdotal evidence..  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:30 PM   #33 
     - Ah, so you had an agenda all along!  Dogtown   Aug-11-10 12:35 PM   #34 
        - Talking to my neighbors is an agenda?  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:40 PM   #36 
           - No.  Dogtown   Aug-13-10 09:38 AM   #57 
  - I talked to my wife last night and her analysis is that Robert Gibbs is a "professional" asshole.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Aug-11-10 12:28 PM   #32 
  - Everyone I knew spoke of it almost immediately  zipplewrath   Aug-11-10 12:39 PM   #35 
  - How did you respond to their questions?  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:41 PM   #38 
  - I said I had heard it  zipplewrath   Aug-11-10 12:47 PM   #44 
  - in 1972, Pauline Kael...  Davis_X_Machina   Aug-11-10 12:42 PM   #40 
  - I slept at a Holiday Inn last night.  Individualist   Aug-11-10 12:41 PM   #37 
  - Awesome.  tridim   Aug-11-10 12:42 PM   #41 
  - I live in L.A. so most people I know are Dems  K8-EEE   Aug-11-10 12:41 PM   #39 
  - Deadly floods in Pakistan, landslides in China..  Scurrilous   Aug-11-10 01:37 PM   #48 
     - Agreed, Scurry  K8-EEE   Aug-11-10 02:52 PM   #54 
  - So again, you have nothing to worry about if we're so irrelevant.  myrna minx   Aug-11-10 01:41 PM   #49 
  - And don't forget that - no matter what we say - we probably  kiva   Aug-11-10 02:30 PM   #53 
  - More bored than worried.  K8-EEE   Aug-11-10 03:17 PM   #56 
  - Yup more people need to get out more  NJmaverick   Aug-11-10 02:54 PM   #55 
  - I'd move into a better neighborhood - your neighbors are clueless  ThomWV   Aug-13-10 09:40 AM   #58 
  - I had a conference call with a couple thousand Dallas dems last night  snooper2   Aug-13-10 09:50 AM   #59 
 
moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:08 PM
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1. Well, there you have. Your anecdote should put this to bed.
:eyes:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:09 PM
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2. Have you talked to your real Democratic friends yet about the issue?
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moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:10 PM
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4. Yeah, they weren't surprised.
They have been paying attention to the direction this administration is taking this party. To the right.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:13 PM
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7. Why did you initially respond to my post without mentioning that?
You're not fooling anyone.
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moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:24 PM
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51. Neither are you , sweet ums.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 02:24 PM by moksha
:rofl:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:10 PM
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3. None of my neighbors are Dems.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:10 PM by Scurrilous
@#$% Miami.

But I checked the NYTimes and Miami Herald front pages this morning and saw nothing about Gibbs.

:shrug:

It's a huge deal here on DU. Elsewhere not so much.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:12 PM
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6. Try the Internets and Cable Noise...that's where stories like these get HUGE play...and why
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 PM by joeybee12
Press secretary, really appears to know little about how the press functions.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 PM
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13. It's all over Facebook too
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:17 PM
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17. Is there a consensus?
I didn't bring it up to anyone yesterday except for here.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:18 PM
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50. Most of my FB friends are lefties
And they're all pretty pissed off.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:47 PM
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43. Nothing on the front page of google news.
Ditto w/ yahoo news.

Gibbs 'famous quote' kerfuffle is fizzling fast...


:P
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:11 PM
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5. I spoke to a friend who had been in the woods for a week
and told her about Gibbs' remarks.

She replied, "Fuck Gibbs".

I guess you're two up on me for now...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 PM
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10. Tell me exactly what you said.
And exactly what she said.

Thanks.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:17 PM
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16. just curious as to why u even asked people
if you are going to question and rake over anybody who replies?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:20 PM
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24. I want to know how the info was framed in his real-life situation.
It has not been framed accurately on DU since minute one.
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moksha Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:25 PM
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52. lol!
Poor gibbs and poor boot lickers.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:19 PM
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21. My anecdote was as vague as yours in the details
except she actually did say "Fuck Gibbs".

You're still two ahead.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:21 PM
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25. What did you say to your woodland friend that drew that response?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:21 PM by tridim
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:24 PM
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29. You first. How did you frame it to your "so what" neighbors?
As far as I can tell, you're not looking for any response here that might differ from the response you got from your neighbors.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:25 PM
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30. I repeated the transcript.
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:47 PM
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42. I told her
that Gibbs said the "professional left" won't be satisfied until we have Canadian health care and eliminate the Pentagon. And that they wouldn't be satisfied if we had Kucinich as President.

And she said, "Fuck Gibbs".

I can only assume that she thought Gibbs was speaking about her.


Still, she may have actually agreed with Gibbs and it just came out wrong. "Fuck Gibbs" is pretty vague.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:02 PM
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45. "I can only assume that she thought Gibbs was speaking about her"
Yep, that is the whole problem.

Did you explain to her what "professional left" really means as defined by Gibbs and Moore, or did you just let her assume it was her without providing any additional information? After all, she was in the woods for a whole week, how could she possibly know?
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Morning Dew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:12 PM
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46. In repeating the transcript to your neighbors
did you explain to them what "professional left" means as defined by... blah, blah, blah.

Since this brouhaha just hit yesterday morning, she was a whole 9 hours or so behind the Gibbs news.

Look, you just seem to want your anecdote to "count".
It does.
But it wasn't my experience.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:20 PM
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47. We talked about it briefly as the conversation was wrapping up.
No spin was applied, by me or them. That's a good thing.

Please report back if you talk to anyone else about the issue. The more real-world anecdotes we have here, the better.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:13 PM
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8. I talked to 3 friends last night. 2 knew about what he said
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:17 PM by Touchdown
... and they're pissed. The third didn't believe it, and will probably just make a new jug of Kool Aide and find an excuse for it when she finds out it's true.

Are you single? I can hook you two up.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 PM
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12. They're.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:17 PM
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15. I answered your question.
Be an adult about it.

I'll fix the typo. You fix your attitude.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:18 PM
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18. ...
:thumbsup:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:19 PM
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19. Pointing out spelling mistakes is not an "attitude"
It is pointing out spelling mistakes.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:20 PM
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23. You are correct. So is mistaking definitions.
Pi and Pie are two different things. Your sig picture is erroneous. Take it down or be labelled an idiot!
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:19 PM
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20. the OP never wanted an answer..
if youll notice, the OP has attacked anyone who has answered..

so it begs the question,

why ask the question if you dont want answers?


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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:23 PM
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26. I know. I shattered his fantasy and he attacks my possessive pronouns.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:33 PM by Touchdown
Go figure.

I even offered to set him up on a date! :wtf:
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 PM
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9. Funny You Should Ask...
I spoke with one of my Dem friends just yesterday. I thought I was pissed off at Gibbs and the current Administration. This guy was nearly out of control. He feels completely betrayed and has lost all confidence in his party. He stated that it will be a long time before he trusts any politicians.

By the way...he has never heard of the DU.

-PLA
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 PM
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11. If they didn't know I cannot believe they are activists
Even the Pukes here at work are busting my balls about it. I just got asked if I wanted Canadian health care instead of our medical plan.

And I can't wait till the resident Freeper gets in for the late shift.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:16 PM
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14. They were busy with the campaign yesterday.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:19 PM
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22. I talked to a former republican friend of mine
He became a Democrat because of disgust with the idiot Bush's presidency.

We didn't discuss Gibbs but he agreed with me that Obama blew it with the health care reform (he thinks it was too wimpy and not a bold enough change), and that he is not happy with Obama overall either.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:23 PM
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27. It is August. No one in my office had her of the whole Shirely Sherrod debacle.
:shrug:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:24 PM
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28. We all decided we were part of the professional left - they all knew what Gibbs said.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:27 PM
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31. Anecdotal evidence, tridim.
You've been around long enough to know that it's valueless.
Multiple reported "events" of this type will certainly *not* "provide some good perspective."

All this OP is providing is a platform for propaganda.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:30 PM
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33. The DU freakout over the past 24 hours is also anecdotal evidence..
of uhhh, something.

At least in the real-world people tend to be more honest about things.
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:35 PM
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34. Ah, so you had an agenda all along!
Why so coy about it?

Have the courage of your convictions and make a statement, instead of this passive/aggressive game.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:40 PM
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36. Talking to my neighbors is an agenda?
WTF are you talking about?
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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:38 AM
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57. No.
Pretending that your "conversation" is valid and promotes your point of view is what I object to.


"I was talking to my cats this morning & one of them licked his balls when I mentioned 'tridim'..."





;)
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:28 PM
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32. I talked to my wife last night and her analysis is that Robert Gibbs is a "professional" asshole.
And, she is a "real world" Democrat who is not subservient to the dictates of "The Party" and always votes.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:39 PM
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35. Everyone I knew spoke of it almost immediately
Everyone I spoke to found a way to do the whole "hey, did ya hear what Gibbs said" thing. Probably all drive home listening to the same NPR station.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:41 PM
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38. How did you respond to their questions?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:47 PM
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44. I said I had heard it
We all thought it was a dumb thing to say, and just more evidence that the White House uses the left as a punching bag.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:42 PM
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40. in 1972, Pauline Kael...
...couldn't believe Nixon won, because no one she knew voted for him.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:41 PM
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37. I slept at a Holiday Inn last night.
:eyes:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:42 PM
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41. Awesome.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:41 PM
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39. I live in L.A. so most people I know are Dems
I don't find anybody outside DU freaking out about this.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:37 PM
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48. Deadly floods in Pakistan, landslides in China..
...an ex-US Senator dies in a plane crash.

Yawn.

An offhand comment by the President's Press Secretary?

OMFG!!1!

DU is a special place.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:52 PM
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54. Agreed, Scurry
I'm WAAAY too through with the whole non issue!
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:41 PM
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49. So again, you have nothing to worry about if we're so irrelevant.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 01:42 PM by myrna minx
Since we don't contribute to campaigns, phone bank, door knock, drive the elderly to the polls etc (or so I've read here) and since we are such a small minority and not 'real world' Dems who cares? :shrugs:
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:30 PM
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53. And don't forget that - no matter what we say - we probably
never voted for Obama anyway. :eyes:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 03:17 PM
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56. More bored than worried.
Can we start some kind of an Endless Gibbs Freakout forum for those of us who wish to discuss other things?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 02:54 PM
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55. Yup more people need to get out more
Too many people here "live at DU"
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:40 AM
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58. I'd move into a better neighborhood - your neighbors are clueless
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-10 09:50 AM
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59. I had a conference call with a couple thousand Dallas dems last night
Edited on Fri Aug-13-10 10:02 AM by snooper2
23% said Fuck Gibbs, 18% said Fuck Snooper, 40% said Fuck your SO, and the other 19% said Fuck DU :P

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