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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:34 AM
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Hartmann cites DU, calls for Dean to replace Gibbs
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 11:38 AM by Doctor_J
http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/standard_plr/audio_p...

David Sirota was on at noon, said Bennett would not have won CO primary if he hadn't outspent Romanoff 5-1. Says this is ominous for November since Repukes will probably outspend Dems by a lot. Romanoff made a good showing (more than 40%) but big money won the day, and probably will in the GE's.

Warning: Thom does almost all of his own ads, and it gets really annoying hearing him pitch slime like Lifelock. Good slate for today though.

Edit: Here is the thread he referenced: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:38 AM
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1. Dean is too emotional to be a good press secretary.
Gibbs let his emotions get the better of him, that was his problem.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:50 AM
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8. A little emotion wouldn't be bad
as long as it was aimed at the right, not the left.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:32 PM
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23. but sometimes I think we're our own worst enemies.. . n/t
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:39 AM
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2. I don't know the most recent poll out on this race showed Bennett up by 6-points
while Romanoff was running even. The GOP is in tatters in CO, so I think Dems have a good chance to win with either Bennett or Romanoff had he won the primary. Also, turnout in the primary was very good, so voters were engaged.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:40 AM
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3. Dean as the Press Sec? No. As Chief-of-Staff, yeah! (nt)
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:52 AM
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10. Or as the guy hiring the Chief of Staff.
Just sayin...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:10 PM
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22. What an incredible idea that is!!! for so very many, many reaons...
:thumbsup: :hi:
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:41 AM
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4. Not likely, Dean is far too prone to speak his own mind.
He's a great politician, but a lousy mouthpiece.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:52 AM
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9. Dean is not a DLC "new" Democrat lackey. He would not like to be the face of Obama.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:00 PM
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19. Regardless of whether that's true or not...
My point is that Dean would only be comfortable and/or good at speaking for himself, and no other.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:42 AM
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5. Dean is DLC - at least according to some DUers - in fact a traitor
so it seems Gibbs is right - some will never be happy
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:47 AM
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6. When I heard that,
I wondered if he posts here @ DU. I am with Thom Hartmann on this one :hi:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:53 AM
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11. He does. He's put up many of his vids.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:04 PM
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21. He does post here..as ThomHartmann
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:12 PM by BrklynLiberal
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:39 PM
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25. Nice, thanks
:toast:
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:49 AM
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7. that doesn't make any sense
it appears to be something Hartmann is saying to appeal to Dean supporters, but why would a Dean supporter want Dean to serve as Obama's spokesman?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:55 AM
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13. For the good of the party
and the US
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:56 AM
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14. Dean supporters want Dean's influence in the White House.

See this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Personally I would not want him to be spokesman. So, all liberals do not agree on everything. Which is no surprise to anyone.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:54 AM
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12. Dean as President would be better.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:57 AM
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16. Yeah, but the Liberal media (tm) took care of that.
Right after he said he wanted to break up the giant corporate media machine.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:56 AM
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15. you know, Dean has many 'moderate' or 'centrist' leanings
I doubt he'd satisfy Gibb's critics any more over time.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:14 PM
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24. Being supportive of gun rights in a state like Vermont...
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 01:21 PM by cascadiance
hardly qualifies for being "moderate"/"centrist" which the DLC has HIJACKED many in to believing they are, when they are more CORPORATIST and disguising themselves as "moderate" so that they can pick and choose which issues they support or don't support to do the bidding of their corporate masters.

Paul Hackett is another example of someone who ran on REAL moderate positions like gun ownership, etc. when he ran for congress but was still a populist rather than a corporatist at heart. That was what lined up the so-called "moderates" (aka CORPORATISTS DLC) against him. Because they knew that a real moderate as a populist in the Democratic Party would expose them for what they are.

That is also why the DLC has tried to minimize Dean too. Dean isn't doctrinaire about his support of "liberal" issues, but I do believe that he speaks more for people power than corporate power. THAT is the difference. And I won't stand by to see others insinuate otherwise!

Now on the topic? I think Dean wouldn't want to put himself in a position to be a mouthpiece for an administration that has shunned him (put him out of the DNC and didn't put him on the cabinet), and shunned what he's tried to speak out on.

The only way Howard Dean should accept a position in Obama's administration is to replace Rahm (which perhaps might happen after November when Rahm is supposed to step down?). If Obama can come to him and say that he wants to "change direction", and provides ample reasons to believe that he is sincere about this, and a good explanation why he followed the DLC playbook so heavily for so long when it was obviously not the "change" that most people supporting him wanted, then perhaps Dean might be well suited to help facilitate Obama's "change" then.

I'm still not sure whether I'd trust Obama after his DLC leanings for so long now, but perhaps there's a good inside explanation for what he's done that might make Dean comfortable. I actually hope that there is, and that an honest change can be made so that we can support him for the last two years of this term. I'd rather support an Obama administration that has returned to supporting the grass root Democratic Party constituency, than have to fight one that continues to work against what we voted him in to do, despite what Gibbs tries to say we "like" to do.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:58 AM
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17. Dean would not make a good Press Secretary.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 11:58 AM by LostInAnomie
It would be a waste of his talents.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:59 AM
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18. Right. Like they WANT someone from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party?!
Not hardly.

That is the wing they are doing their darndest to spin off into the farthest reaches of the Gulag where we can sit around all day dreaming about single payer health and whirled peas while we wait for our weekly urine test.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:03 PM
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20. In my most wonderful, dreamiest dream...would Dean replace Gibbs.
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:04 PM by BrklynLiberal
It will never happen, of course.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:55 PM
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26. The DLC New Dems despise Dean. Exactly zero chance of him ever replacing Gibbs. eom
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