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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:07 AM
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Poll question: Would you like Canadian style healthcare and eliminating the Pentagon as it currently exists?
Thanks to Mr Gibbs for suggesting this :)

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:08 AM
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1. And an ad blocks the poll once again. I can't vote. nt.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:55 AM
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19. Tried an ad blocker ?
:shrug|:
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:07 AM
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21. On a work computer, can't install any software.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:10 AM
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26. Oh dear !
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:25 AM
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31. All you need to do is make your browser window wider.
If necessary, drag it partly off the screen to the left, then pull the right margin out until the ad is clear of the poll.

HTH
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:27 AM
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33. Thanks for the tip, I'll try it in the next poll. nt
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:30 AM
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34. Didn't work. I tried making the window wide as possible even hit F11 to get rid of the toolbars nt
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:27 AM
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32. Here's a thought...
Get you ass back to work and quit fucking off!

:hi:

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:38 PM
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39. Since you have a job, maybe you ought to consider donating 5 bucks to DU - voila, no ads! (nt)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:35 PM
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43. Donate to DU and become a member for a year.
And I don't think there's a minimum. ;)
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:08 AM
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2. kick
nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:09 AM
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3. Yes, but that is not my line in the sand by which I'd judge the
success of a democratic administration. I think most people on this site would like to see those things. But some of us realize that the votes just aren't there.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:10 AM
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4. While I don't want to eliminate the Pentagon, I would like as Glen Greewald put it
"Turn it into a Square or Triangle" And actually I would like something even better than Canadian Health care....
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:12 AM
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5. Gibbs wasn't even attacking single payer. He was attacking those who think it is remotely feasible.
In general, policies for which a barely double digit number of senators would vote for are not politically feasible policies. The people could change that. But they don't (at least not at this point in time in our history).
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:29 AM
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9. If it is possible to come up with a trillion dollars for the Iraq war they can
figure out how to make it possible to do a lot of other things they aren't doing. They just need to put the heat on the Senators like it was put on them to go to war in Iraq (and this wouldn't even be based on lies).
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:45 AM
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15. But why ISN'T it politically feasible?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 10:49 AM by RufusTFirefly
Because it's bad policy?
Because voters with correct information (facts, not fear-mongering) don't want it?

Or because it jeopardizes the wealth and entrenched power of a few corporations who actually rake in money from people who are sick or think they are sick?

This reminds me a little of the "we can't just cut and run" arguments. You can't use an illegal, immoral, or inequitable situation as a justification for its own perpetuation.

At some point you have to stop and say, "This is wrong. Morally and economically wrong."

Then you go from there.

What you don't say is, "This is the system we've got. It's too big to fail."

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:08 AM
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23. yes!! Imagine what it would be like to see Obama really owning his support
of a particularly helpful, but politically-challenging policy like single payer, or ending rendition, or torture, or personal privacy issues! Wow! Stand for THE PEOPLE Obama!
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:15 AM
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6. I would absolutely like to have canadian-style health care...
I actually don't see any need to "eliminate" the Pentagon, although significant (major?) reductions in defence spending would be extremely helpful in my opinion.

I think the fact that Gibbs lumps in "canadian health care" -- a reasonable health care proposal (which is in fact used in multiple countries) with a completely unrelated, and extreme concept like "eliminate the Pentagon" says a lot about how he thinks, which is to say he seems to still literally think we're back in the 60s.

Likewise, the whole straw-man "Obama == Bush" comment. Quite a lot of people are advocating for "medicare for all" and/or a strong public-option. A completely insignificant number of people are advocating things like "Obama == Bush" or "Eliminate the Pentagon"

:shrug:
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:27 AM
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7. Just a note: It says "eliminate the Pentagon AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS"
I think we would all like to see Gates do more of what he has proposed and weed out the contractors and give more support to our troops and bring them home sooner then later!
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:45 AM
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16. Yes, I am not advocating the idea of not having a national defense policy.
I'm advocating having a rational one. 9/11 MIHOP was a policy, but it sure wasn't rational.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:28 AM
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8. Not requirements for satisfaction with a Democratic
leader, of course. The Pentagon needs to be whittled back to a -- as someone here recently said -- little triangle. And it would be nice to have access to those lower priced Canadian pharmaceuticals (not that I particularly need any) that Obama campaigned on so much.

What's weird is *mocking* Candian-style healthcare as though it were some nutty communist pipe dream. It's what the rest of the civilized world HAS. Snidely implying that America is incapable of such a thing is deeply, bitterly cynical and just ... gross.


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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:30 AM
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10. Canadian Style "eh"?
like Canadian Bacon is also healthier for you "eh".
the Pentagon... do not eliminate it "eh"

just re-size it like a Square or a rectangle "eh". :sarcasm:

(the "eh's" are my Canadian accent.) "eh".
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:31 AM
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11. I love Canadian bacon
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:33 AM
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12. Take off, you hoser* (*humorous reference, not attack)
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:42 AM
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36. "ooo loook oo oo, do loook oo oo!"
I got my "toke" on...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:36 AM
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13. What Gibbs didn't say: if we did institute Canadian-style health care...

...how would the parasitical American health insurance companies book their obscene profits?

If we did eliminate the Pentagon as it current exists, how would the American Military/Industrial Complex book their obscene profits?

And if either of those American "institutions" ceased to exist, who would pay off the American politicians?

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:36 AM
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14. Yes to the healthcare --
but a massive redo/refunding of the Pentagon -- I do recognize the need for a military for self-defense, but enough with the imperial shit.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:53 AM
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17. That's a start...

Nationalize Finance and Energy too.

Plenty more on my list.

k&r
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:53 AM
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18. Civilization wouldn't be bad about now.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:00 AM
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20. Turn the Pentagon into a music venue
and dedicate it to Charlie Poole : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdNP9D7wbcM
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:08 AM
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22. Cut the defense budget
Not all of it. :)
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:09 AM
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24. Yes to Canada health care,
The only thing that should change about the pentagon is a smaller budget. Fewer overseas base, or none.
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:10 AM
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25. Delete, dup
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 11:11 AM by Confusious
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:18 AM
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27. Yes. Mostly the healthcare - I'd be happy just to reduce the number of
high level officers and contractors, re-form and re-equip our entire military.
The Pentagton itself can stay - it has one hell of a parking lot (I got lost driving in it once) that would be super for flea markets.
The building iteslf could be a bed and breakfast...


mark
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:21 AM
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28. Absolutely, I think the health care thingy is doable, but
the pentagon ain't going anywhere....
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:23 AM
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29. You betcha! n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:25 AM
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30. That would be a good start.
I liked the line about making the Pentagon into a Triangle. I'm not entirely opposed to a standing military in some form, but what we have is ridiculous. $5 billion for a single battleship? Are we going to be fighting nuclear sperm whales from outer space?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:31 AM
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35. Oh hell yes.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:04 PM
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37. kick
:kick:
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 05:26 PM
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38. one more
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:05 PM
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40. sure would...
how about guaranteed housing for all while we're at it! K&R
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:10 PM
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41. I would like world peace, decent healthcare for all, a pony, and 200 male concubines.
I mean, who is childish enough to waste their time dreaming about single payer healthcare? :sarcasm:
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:31 PM
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42. Of course. I'm one of those Professional Leftist Yellowdog Democrats. nt
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