Why the Dennis Kucinich mention (by Gibbs)?

[mmonk]

Poll question: Why the Dennis Kucinich mention (by Gibbs)?

Poll result (101 votes)
Dismissal of the "left"?	(14 votes, 14%)	Vote
Meant as an insult?	(5 votes, 5%)	Vote
They fear him?	(0 votes, 0%)	Vote
They fear his ideas?	(0 votes, 0%)	Vote
They fear his facts?	(3 votes, 3%)	Vote
Because he was the last one to capitulate on The Health Care Bill?	(1 votes, 1%)	Vote
He is the "professional left"?	(1 votes, 1%)	Vote
All of the above.	(70 votes, 69%)	Vote
None of the above (explain).	(7 votes, 7%)	Vote

[phleshdef]

1. Kucinich is an icon of left American politics. Gibbs was saying that even with an icon as President.

...the serial agonizers on the left still wouldn't be happy.

[mmonk]

4. I think you may have hit the nail on the head.

The theme is the "left" is unreasonable and its concerns invalid.

[bushisanidiot]

5. No, but there are many who are vocal on the left about the President not moving

far enough to the left. They are too blindsided by their passion for doing the right thing, that they can't see that this will result in a loss in 2012 which result in UNDOING ALL THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. They are NOT paying attention because their heads are in clouds over what they WANT RIGHT NOW.

This country CANNOT be governed by the far left or the far right. We are a CENTER LEFT nation and if we drift too far left we will lose the power we have which will result in the right taking over and undoing our good work. President Obama has accomplished a hell of a lot so far, in his short time as president, and he has many more important items in the works. We need to be patient and work with him. Every time Ed Schultz, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow take to the airwaves to bash our president, they are helping republicans. We already have FOX news, CNN, and MSNBC (except for the 3 shows mentioned above) bashing him 24/7, why are OUR OWN PEOPLE bashing him on top of it??

I say: KNOCK IT OFF AND HAVE SOME FREAKIN' PATIENCE, YOU BABIES!!!

[mmonk]

6. Sorry, fresh out.

[Lost4words]

13. they, they is the same as you people, THEY

to them, you are THEY

[tomp]

15. so says the professional right.

you are so wrong on so many levels it is not worth responding in detail,
except to say you and i are not on the same team.

[Morning Dew]

26. I actually found something to agree with you about here.

your user name.

The rest of your post... not so much.

[Edweird]

53. As evidenced by FDR's single term presidency......

[Norrin Radd]

54. The "far" left is actually the "true" left. The so-called "center" has

moved right.

[Desertrose]

55. OK..you said...

...blah blah......this will result in a loss in 2012 which result in UNDOING ALL THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH....blah blah....

I say to that...what good are his accomplishments if they are a continuation of all the crap bush did? Where the hell will THAT get us but farther down the crapper.


You said:KNOCK IT OFF AND HAVE SOME FREAKIN' PATIENCE, YOU BABIES!!!


I say...Babies? Really?? and seriously, we don't have enough time left for patience.

[still_one]

9. When they refused to seat advocates of single-payer or the public option at the table during the

initial HCR talks, it should have been more than clear the views of the administration toward the progressives in their party

It isn't that the administration needs to jump at whatever the left or progressives want, but the fact that they are not even included in the discussions or part of the process is what is disturbing

[mmonk]

14. True.

[Lost4words]

16. agreed, and the patteren repeats itself with other issues.

[JohnnyLib2]

7. +1

[joeybee12]

17. I never expected Obama to move left at all, but his turn to the right is

pissing me off.

[Whisp]

24. thats it.

and it's true. If Dennis was President he wouldn't be able to right things overnight as well. The Repugs wouldn't get along with him any better. And the screamers would still be screaming.

[depakid]

27. He's a strawman used by weak minded people

who can't defend their own poor policy choices.

And it especially comes out of their sorry mouths when they were warned- and their policy choices are proven to be failures.

Something anyone who's read this board for any length of time can bank on.

[frylock]

56. word up

[EFerrari]

31. LOL. No. Gibbs, like the others, try to make themselves look good

at the expense of the members of their own party. They really only wind up looking weak and a little ridiculous.

Serial agonizers, lol, aka, pesky people who pay attention.

[phleshdef]

39. His comment was not even close to being at the expense of Dennis Kucinich.

The only thing said about Kucinich in Gibb's comments, whether it be through his actual words or what those words implied, was that Kucinich is extremely liberal or at least the kind of person people generally think of when a mention of the American left is invoked. This is something everyone who knows who Dennis Kucinich is generally thinks about him. Nothing there is at any expense to anyone.

[EFerrari]

45. I think it's just Dennis envy, myself. n/t

[phleshdef]

50. I like Kucinich but aside from his wife, there is nothing for anyone to envy.

[Renew Deal]

40. He is? Is that why he got crushed in two presidential elections?

Doesn't seem very iconic.

[Zorra]

62. He got "crushed" because he is a democrat that threatens corporate control of government.

The true legacy of Reagan, Limbaugh, Fox News, etc., is the successful brainwashing of many people into believing that "liberals" are dangerous, thereby effectively insuring that a significant segment of the population would vote against their own interests-(the "sensible liberals"), and preserve the status quo of corporate rule. By design, they made the word liberal into a four letter word, and that has become "conventional wisdom". There's a lot of money riding on keeping corporations in control of the government and preventing people from forming an unfettered working democracy, a government that is truly of, by, and for the people.

(And, of course, there are always those that don't think Dennis is tall enough, or pretty enough, to be President).

Unless these "sensible liberals" somehow figure out that they've been brainwashed, the corparasites can always count on sincere democrats like Rep. Kucinich being crushed in Presidential elections.

Thomas Jefferson or FDR would not have a prayer of being elected President today.

[tsuki]

2. Gibbs watches Fox Noise.

[OHdem10]

8. Gibbs remarks or comments in anger and frustration reflect a

person of Conservative bent. There are ConservaDems
as well as Republican Conservatives. The Republicans
especially alway set up their accusations in absolute
terms (the extreme of the situation.)We call this false
choices when Republicans do it. You are either with us
or against us.. I found it most telling when Gibbs said
Liberals would want them to GET RID of the Pentagon. I
would say that is the most extreme option and no one
I know has ever wanted to Get Rid of the Pentagon.
This sounds exactly like something a RW Republican
would say.

Is Gibbs from NC??? No disrespect to NC. I had never
thought much about Gibbs until this tirade showed up?

It helps if you understand where someone is coming
from and their own personal ideology. He does have
the ear of the President.

[mmonk]

11. I'm from NC.

In regards to Gibbs, he is a graduate of NC State.

[OHdem10]

28. So am I origninally---have lived many places, but things you

learn early in life are always with you.

[suzie]

48. You consider Gibbs a conservadem, the Southerner who worked for an African American

political candidate--when many thought that given the history of race problems in this country an A-A had little chance of being elected.

And you consider Kucinich, who talked about running for the Presidency with a vice-presidential candidate who was a KKKer and has espoused all kinds of rather vile racial views, a liberal?

Perhaps you should review some of the Republican talking points over the years, and note how often racial inferences are used to dismiss ideas considered "liberal".

My impression is that the descriptions are exactly opposite--Kucinich sounds like the arch-conservative, RW Republican leaning individual, willing to ally with forces that would take us directly back to the dark ages of race hatred in this country.

[suzie]

49. You consider Gibbs a conservadem, the Southerner who worked for an African American Message

political candidate--when many thought that given the history of race problems in this country that an A-A had little chance of being elected to the presidency.

And you consider Kucinich, who talked about running for the Presidency with a vice-presidential candidate who was a KKKer and has espoused all kinds of rather vile racial views, a liberal?

Perhaps you should review some of the Republican talking points over the years, and note how often racial inferences are used to dismiss ideas considered "liberal".

My impression is that the descriptions are exactly opposite--Kucinich sounds like the arch-conservative, RW Republican leaning individual, willing to ally with forces that would take us directly back to the dark ages of race hatred in this country.

[Billy Burnett]

3. DK believes that public health is part of the public commons.

Can you imagine?

[mmonk]

29. Yes, I do imagine.

[disillusioned73]

10. Has DK made a comment in regards to this yet??

[LWolf]

51. Yes.

In the initial interview, Gibbs also talked about criticism from Democrats that President Obama had compromised his values on issues like health care and war. "They wouldn't be satisfied if Dennis Kucinich was president," Gibbs said.

The very liberal representative from Ohio spoke to Fox News Radio and said of the comments, "From a political perspective it wasn't very smart." He didn't call for his resignation and didn't seem offended but noted, "It's important for the President's spokesperson to understand that his remarks are taken quite seriously and when he speaks I would hope that he speaks with the purpose of unifying."
Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/11/gibbs-stil...

[disillusioned73]

59. Thanks

[G_j]

63. another thanks

[stray cat]

12. you could have your god ie Kucinich in office and still complain he was just like Bush

[Lost4words]

18. what was so bad about bush? Can you cite some examples?

[earcandle]

19. how is that so?

[mmonk]

20. Whose god?

I believe that was his message though. His message is not correct. I don't know who has been saying Obama is just like bush except maybe in mentioning certain foreign policy or DOJ arguments.

[tomp]

32. you mean he can carry out a similar military foreign policy, support torture...

... allow the murder of american citizens, fail to even investigate bush/cheney, inc, throw money at the banks,
insurance and pharmaceutical companies, attack poor pregnant women, allow BP to fuck up the gulf, etc.,....

....and NOT be compared to bush?

[Lost4words]

36. sounds the same to me, duck meet duck

.

[mmonk]

38. Gibbs seems to think so.

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[kiva]

46. God? Project much? n/t

[frylock]

57. prove it

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

22. Because he's their folk hero.

The notion that they're scared of DK is utterly laughable and totally detached from reality.

[mmonk]

25. They mentioned him, it came from nowhere else.

Is this like when right wingers say Obama is the Democrat's messiah?

[yowzayowzayowza]

30. Totally. n/t

[depakid]

33. Us vs. Them

nicely done.

If you were trying to prove how people are like Bush that is.

[Lost4words]

34. How wonderful to know exactly how others think and feel.

you have such insight

[femmocrat]

23. I took it as an insult.

Like Kucinich represents the "loony left" or the "far left".

Maybe I'm reading too much into it though.

[Lost4words]

35. I believe your first impression is the correct one.

Gibbs couldnt have been clearer IMO.

[roody]

37. What did Gibbs say about DK?

[scheming daemons]

61. Basically that the "professional left" would be just as upset with him as they are Obama

...because that's what they do.

They live to attack their own to prove they are much more "pure" than everyone else.


If DK was President, they would've turned on him too.

[piratefish08]

41. because the drug testing comment alone would only send the "douche-meter" to 8.

the Kucinich comment sent it straight to 11.

[Renew Deal]

42. To make the point that some people won't be satisfied with anything.

And he's correct!

[frylock]

58. now i get it!

FAIL

[TransitJohn]

43. Because DLC DINOs don't like real Democrats.

They consider themselves 'real' Democrats.

[krawhitham]

44. None of the above (explain)

never a truer statement ever made

[Javaman]

47. Because Dennis actually does care about the people of this nation.

He puts people over profits.

Odd how that concept is considered part of the "loony left" when it was very much part of the platform of the Democratic party less than 30 years ago.

If there was ever a better indication on how far the Democratic party as moved to the right, I can't think of one.

[Enrique]

52. same reason he mentioned Canadian style health care

because everyone knows they're both

[tritsofme]

60. They fear that he will sweep the nomination away from Obama in 2012!

Kucinich constantly sets himself up to be a punchline, it isn't really Gibbs' fault.

[Arkana]

64. Because Kooch has held himself up for so long as the poster boy for the angry left?

Maybe that's it?

[Skittles]

65. because REAL Democrats SCARE them