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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:49 AM
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Everyone is parsing becuse it is far easier than developing a deeper understanding
Gibbs said X and Y and, can you *imagine*, Z.

No he didn't.

Well, actually he did.

But meant something else. He wasn't talking to you.

He said XYZ. Here's a link to a clip.

And then there's Rahm.

Oh sure, bring back that old canard.

Canard? CANARD? He called me Q. And R and S.

He wasn't talking to you.








I know you can parse words and phrases, and infer meanings and reparse when the principal corrects his misstatement with another misstatement all to be parsed and reparsed.

But you see, here's the bottom line.

We *all* know what it meant. The stultified discussion that occurs here due to the constraints of the site prevent us from having a completely open discussion about what these quite likely unintended, but oh so telling quips mean and at whom they were really aimed. The duck theory is operative, and this all sure as hell is walking like one.

Ever since this administration took office - and for many, well before then - the tendency toward the more conservative and the unsympathetic eye toward the more liberal, has been easy to see. One need only look at the policies espoused, the content, not the names, of the bills signed. There is little in there for a liberal to love.

The comments by Rahm and Bobby are simply iconic parts of a pattern. And without the parsing needed by some to make their little points in defense, the comments are aimed at everyone - every single person - to the left of this administration.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:03 AM
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1. I heard that! Great Post
But you see, here's the bottom line.

We *all* know what it meant. The stultified discussion that occurs here due to the constraints of the site prevent us from having a completely open discussion about what these quite likely unintended, but oh so telling quips mean and at whom they were really aimed. The duck theory is operative, and this all sure as hell is walking like one.


The shocking thing for me is how many buy into the current situation, most, it would seem, became political in the last year or so. They will one day be great foot soldiers for the cause after they pass through the blind allegiance stage.

Its a New Party and a New America they tell me, I guess they are correct. Time answers all questions.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:12 AM
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5. I take your comment as a compliment..
because I seriously didn't "become political" until recently.... so I must be the exception cause I passed the "blind allegiance" stage during the healthcare "reform" debacle - which is why I chose disillusioned as my tag
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:45 AM
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10. as it was intended, I believed Bill Clinton walked on water
I really thought as many do now that this leader would guide our nation through the fog, I didnt understand the DLC at that time and felt Democratic values were not for sale. In the USA profit now trumps God and everything has a price, some tell me it has always been this way.

paraphrased quote from the film Casablanca,

"Welcome to the fight, with you on our side I am sure our side shall win"

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:04 AM
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2. The only mod I'd make
"the comments are aimed at everyone - every single person - to the left of this administration"

I agree with the conclusion. The only modification I'd make is to add "... and call them on it". They don't really mind if you are to their left, as long as you accept their compromises/sellout/capitulations as "necessary and supportable". Whoa be you if you suggest they failed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:09 AM
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3. Recommend
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:11 AM
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4. Straight to the point, minus the b.s.

A hearty rec. and kick
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:20 AM
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6. In our simplicity and parsing we are no different than the extreme right or tea partiers
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 09:20 AM by stray cat
I wish progressives were also rationale and reasonable and informed but of course they are prone to the same defects as any group in society
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:52 AM
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13. Sure, if you say say so.
nt

k&r for the OP
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:20 AM
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7. Well if orgs like Code Pink, Move-On, FDL, DKos, etc. are considered to be "the Pro's"
than he/they certainly are talking about us.

These people also get $$ and media time and more often than not, represent those who feel they aren't adequately represented in this or previous Administrations.

Who are these "Professionals"?

So I'd like to hear some specific names otherwise, Gibby IS referring to all of us who continue to stand up for what we believe is right.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:21 AM
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8. Read the full exchange is the point of the poster and it seems you need to
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:30 AM
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9. So what if I still come to the same conclusion? nt
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:45 AM
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11. To be fair, you missed the point
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 09:57 AM by Stinky The Clown
The latest exchange is nothing when considered alone. It is part of the larger pattern. In that larger context, it simply is one more polka dot to be added to a polka dot dress (or whatever analogy you might choose).

The OP wasn't about Gibbs or Emanuel, even as it cited them both. It requires more thought than that.
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Barack2theFuture Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:49 AM
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12. Quack!
Quack!

:thumbsup:
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:52 AM
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14. I salute you, sir
:patriot:
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:03 AM
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15. Well, here's what I haven't understood for at least the last 5 years
Am I really that "left"? Are core Dems actually "Centrist"? What is the definitive criteria for each of the endless labels? I thought Michael Moore made the excellent point years ago noting that when you list a set of goals, most people agree on them whether Dem, GOP, Conservative whatevah. The only debate usually involves the method of attaining the goal, not the goal itself.

So, I would love to find out how many Dems nationally who label themselves "Conservative" or "Centrist" actually quack just like I do. Our feathers may be different colors, but we're all ducks, know what I mean? Why do so many in D.C., like Gibbs, segregate different classes, label them & select particular groups to court or ignore? I don't get it.

Last point. My family is truly a mini-UN, with different religions & split between northern immigrants & southern DARs. We debate with gusto. When things get out of hand we use humor. My pro-union Mama was "debating" with an anti-union Uncle who threw up his hands & said, "People are plain stupid. When I die I want to come back as a higher form of life". My Mama answered, "You mean a woman?". Everyone laughed, grabbed another brew & started arguing about authentic BBQ.

DU used to be like that, and I sincerely hope it always will be.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 04:38 PM
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16. "iconic parts of a pattern" k*r
Isn't that the unvarnished truth.

We are nothing to them.
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