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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:05 AM
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Being wrong while being right (insightful comments by blackwaterdog)
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 08:11 AM by NJmaverick
Gibbs did a stupid thing, he should have known better, but he told the truth. And those who actually read all his comments know that he was NOT talking about the grassroots, about people who worked hard to get Barack Obama elected, not to mention the 90% approval he's got among Liberals - it's a bad spin - he talked about the same people Michael Moore once called "The Professional Left", those who makes very good money from their job as "Lefties", regardless the reality, regardless the damage they inflict.

It's about joining the Right Wing in creating a narrative of failure around a very good Liberal president. It's just amazing. In 18 months of some of the most toxic political environment in history, the man did more to promote the progressive cause than anyone but two other presidents, and he's "Like Bush"?

You can't just criticize him ALL THE TIME, never have his back, and then insist that it's about keeping his feet on fire. No one except Rachel Maddow even bother to mention most of the great progressive stuff that he has done. There's a whole new criteria for this president - Do twice the job for half the credit.

When the most Liberal president in decades is labeled as "Bush" 24/7 by the "Liberal media", when Right Wing talking points being used as weapon against him from the left - then it doesn't matter much who will win this November. Or in 2012 - and i'm almost ready to bet that it won't be Barack Obama, that he'll take the family and go home. I'm pretty sure that Bill Maher can win the election.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/10/891907/-Bei...

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:12 AM
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1. What the hell is "liberal media?"
:shrug:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:49 AM
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9. Mostly internet based
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:11 AM
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30. Must be like the "far left" I keep hearing about around here. nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 PM
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47. The 10% that don't approve of President Obama?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 12:16 PM by NJmaverick
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 PM
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46. A right wing talking point. n/t
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:22 AM
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2. Has this Administration done anything wrong in your opinion or are they equivelent to God?
I no longer trust the man and hardly listen to anything he says because I know it is just talk. Actions speak much louder. "Beginning on Day One"..."One Brigade a Month".."No more Supplemental War Spending Bills".."I will close Gitmo"...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:48 AM
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8. You glossed over the point that to many this administration has done nothing right
That is the destructive position that Gibbs was addressing
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:26 AM
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3. And of course blackwaterdog is just an anonymous blogger unknown to anyone here
except for the name blackwaterdog.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:47 AM
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6. You're wrong about the unknown part and you FAILED to address the points raised
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:36 AM
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42. No, my point was made. You simply failed to understand it.
Have a swell day.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 PM
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45. lol
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:32 AM
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4. he said we wouldn't be happy till we got Canadian healthcare and the Pentagon gone...
does that sound like the "The professional left" described here?

Give it up already - Gibbs pissed all over the liberals that got his boss elected
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:46 AM
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5. Exactly
They want Gibbs to be both exaggerating, and narrowly focused at the same time. It was a broad brush attack on his critics from the left.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:47 AM
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7. That would be an incorrect summary of events
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:51 AM
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10. waiting for elaboration
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:56 AM
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11. You first
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:05 AM
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12. I need to know how my summary is incorrect to answer you
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:06 AM
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13. Your unsupported statements are incorrect
if you wish me to point out the flaws in your reasoning, you would need to first provide that reasoning.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:06 AM
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14. we're done here
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 09:23 AM
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15.  "The Professional Left" are not Kucinich Supporters.
therefore he was not just speaking to the professional left (whoever that is). I have seen the support of Kucinich used as an attack against the left on this very board.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:18 AM
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16. I don't think Gibbs mention Kucinich
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:24 AM
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18. He said these people would be disappointed if Kucinich was president
It is no secret that Kucinich is quite far to the left.

Now you take that statement, and run it through the DU Martyr Brigade filter, and Ipso facto, presto chango, Gibbs just insulted everybody on the planet who is a leftist.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:28 AM
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19. He's also right, they would be disappointed because there are limits
to Presidential power.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:34 AM
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21. Of course
But you're not supposed to say that out loud.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:39 AM
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25. BS
I'm not unhappy with things like the Senate republicans and blue dogs killing the anti-foreclosure bill that Obama said publicly he would sign. No I'm unhappy with things like Bagram and I would be unhappy with Kucinich if he had Bagram open for business. It is a sad day when Kucinich, someone who stands up for human rights and habaes corpus is considered way, way, way, far to the left.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:35 AM
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22. DU Martyr Brigade lol
:thumbsup:
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:36 AM
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23. w/o the DU filter - tell us what he meant
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:41 AM
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26. That even a president as left as Kucinich would disappoint people to the left
because some people on the left are unreasonable and don't appreciate the political realities democrats face.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:47 AM
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27. like wanting universal health care...
that kind of unreasonable?
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:01 AM
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28. wanting it is one thing
expecting it and relentlessly trashing anything short of that goal as a sell-out to corporate is another

I want universal single payer healthcare.
I want the wars to end.
I want the pentagon budget slashed in half.
I want the banks nationalized.
I want a social safety net that eliminates the possibility of hunger, homelessness, lack of education, or other basic rights
I want the workers of the world to unite and cast of the chains of oppression from our capitalist overlords

but I would be a goddamn fool if I expected those things to happen with the government we have, spent my days whining about it not happening, and dismissing any move towards those ideals as not good enough and a personal betrayal.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:10 AM
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29. you want reality?
People are fucking pissed at what Gibbs said

you can interpret any way you want

people are fucking pissed at what Gibbs said and it will cause harm to the administration

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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:11 AM
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31. And they have lost the plot entirely
The blogosphere will be a howlin' until some new bullshit controversy replaces this one.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:28 AM
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35. the reality is that making people dishing out criticism
are not nearly as good at being on the receiving end
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:37 PM
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51. Also Have Those Things Happen in 18 Months
Don't forget that.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:21 AM
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33. Unrealistic would be a better descripition
a good ultimate goal but not something that is achievable in the short term
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:21 AM
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:28 AM
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20. This is a great find, K&R.
:kick:
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 10:36 AM
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24. Great post. Gibbs was clearly directing his criticism to a very small subset of the overall left.
And that very small subset DESERVES to be criticized. If people think that Obama is similar to Bush in most ways, asking "what drug are they on" is a perfectly valid response.

He was not attacking all left-leaning criticism of Obama.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:13 AM
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32. Rubbish from an unkonown blogger.
Kind of like you.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:30 AM
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36. I didn't know you were a well know blogger
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:35 AM
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39. I'm not and don't claim to be.
What a silly comment. The equivalent of, I know you are, but what am I?

Really, is this the best you can come up with to defend the indefensible?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:36 AM
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41. So you are mocking others for being like yourself?
Edited on Wed Aug-11-10 11:41 AM by NJmaverick
Oh and if you google that blogger's name you get About 63,300 results
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:05 PM
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43. Dude, if you google my screne name you get like 90,000 results.
That means nothing, nor does your silly argument. Seriously, do you think I'm 13?

He's some anonymous blogger on some site. Just like everyone here. If you're a fan, great, but it doesn't mean anything.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:13 PM
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44. That "anonymous blogger" (when did fame equal correctness btw?) is constantly
in the list of the top rated blogs at Daily Kos. That blogger is also frequently mentioned and quoted in DU and at least 2 other political websites I am aware of. Still what does fame have to do with being right or wrong. That is one of the oddest assertions I have seen on DU in some time.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:25 PM
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48. It has nothing to do with it.
If this blogger had a point, or was anywhere close to the truth, you would have a point. But he's not, and you don't.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:27 PM
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49. Based on what reasoning exactly?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:24 AM
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34. Yes, blackwaterdog, is able to see the whole
picture and is more rational than I am about it..I'm glad Gibbs gave the professional left their smackdown..they can dish it out..but can't take it..got their earplugs in and the volume on the whine turned to ear busting.

http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/the-prof...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:31 AM
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37. BWD is one of KOS's best bloggers
Constantly on the most recced list.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:34 PM
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50. Indeed. n/t
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:32 AM
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38. Please allow me to try again
I believe this fine gentleman with the interesting name, blackwaterdog, is in error. Thank you for your attention.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:36 AM
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40. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Born_A_Truman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 01:48 PM
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52. Thanks for posting that diary ...
:hi:
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