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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:09 PM
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The WH Media Team:The Worst WH Tin Ear in History.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 12:31 PM by saracat
Once again the White Hose Press team has diplayed the worst tin ear that I have ever seen displayed by a professional political organization, particularly one with almost limitless funds at its disposal.In one week this PR team has managed to present what appears to be an extremely unfounded optimistic appraisal of the situation in the Gulf without any corroborating data, and patronize all those who ask for such, while fisherman in the region continue to warn us we shouldn't eat the fish. Axelrod reiterated that the President does NOT support Gay Marriage right in the midst of the celebration of the overturn of Prop 8 in California! They did nothing to tone down an expensive trip of the First Lady's as unemployment benefits are being questioned in a recession shocked nation. The team initially jump to the support of the firing of Shirley Sherrod without any due diligence researching an available speech, and now, once again, this time officially, through the mouth of Gibbs, refer to anyone demanding broader change as "crazy and needing to be "drug tested" in an eerie echo of the COS Emmanuel's earlie reference to the left as "f***inf retards" in an earlier gaffe that still resonates with many people.

I have never, ever seen such a terrible inability to convey any kind of positive message by any other press team. I really question the alleged "liberal approval numbers. Those can't include teachers and they sure no longer include the unions, who have joined in a march on Washington.(And I have yet, thank god, to have seen a WH reaction the THAT)
For all those that bitch about MSM and their coverage, I can only say that the WH has an ongoing job to not directly hand the Press ammo to use against them. That is a huge part of image control. You can't keep outright giving the media "gifts" and expect them not to use it to sell soap.

Month ago, I suggested that this entire team, including Gibbs be replaced. I am repeating that call again today. It is just amazing to me that the same people who managed to use the media to such advantage during the 2008 elections don't seem to have a clue how to manage their image once in office.It seems as if the president has allowed the 20 something who sends out his twitters to have complete control over his Admins image. This is a bad state of affairs . Twitter boy needs to be demoted and they need to hire some real pros who realize that their is a world outside of DC filled with people who are experiencing real pain and loss who feel their issues are not being addressed.

Those in the bubble will not be the ones making the decisions on election day.I suggest every effort be made to address the issues of the real Americans before that bubble bursts.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:11 PM
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1. I wish they would make up their minds
on whether I'm crazy and stoned or just fucking retarded.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #1
26. I guess we're all of the above...until November.
:dilemma:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:28 PM
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68. Makes me wonder if they want More Repugs Elected? Why do this nasty outburst now?
Especially when Congress is back in session and Rep. Keith Ellison was able to call for Gibbs Resignation!

The Repugs don't eat their own...they back them. But, our Democratic Party seems to feel that throwing folks under the bus is just what you do to "get more Dems elected."

Thanks for your post Saracat. I've thought their "Message Machine" has been weak since after the Election. We used to see so many people from the Obama Team refuting Repug lies all over the media during the campaign...but then after Inauguration they would send out a couple of weak old hacks to be on CNN/MSNBC. Something went wrong there.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:43 PM
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78. Gibbs did all but concede the House a couple of weeks ago. Pandering to the new majority, perhaps?
:)
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:42 PM
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40. Indeed
:applause:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #1
86. And don't forget: you are not a liberal, either.
At least, you are not "representative" of liberals.

Re-framing is out of the closet.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #86
95. I'm not guilty, I tell ya.
I been reframed.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:13 PM
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2. The WH is confused, which translates into mixed messages
They sold themselves as liberal, but want to govern in a moderate conservative manner.

Then they try to hide their conservative ideals with empty hope and vague threats to the base.

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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:15 PM
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4. What kind of idiots thought they were getting a liberal?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:17 PM
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5. People who thought the word "change" actually meant something?
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 12:17 PM by DJ13
Just a hunch.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:44 PM
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14. How did they sell themselves as liberal?
Even during the primaries, Obama was running to the right of all of our other candidates.

When a democratic candidate runs to the right of Hillary Clinton, he's not selling himself as a liberal.

Except to the most blind, who insisted he simply MUST be liberal.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. packaging...and it was the word "change"..we didnt get it..and won't..nt
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:55 PM
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16. How did Obama run "to the right" of Clinton the Iraq war hawk?
Mr. Obama's biggest substantive difference with Clinton was his opposition to the war in Iraq, not after the public turned against it, but before. He was consistently identified by Republicans as "the most liberal Senator in history," whether that was true or not. Beyond that, he campaigned on comprehensive healthcare reform, closing Gitmo, ending DADT (wasn't that a Clinton policy) etc. He ran as a very liberal candidate.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:15 PM
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106. No, that was only the "biggest substantive difference"...
if you weren't paying attention to EVERYTHING else.

I understand we were weary of Iraq, and it had much of our focus and our energy.

But Obama had proposed a health care overhaul that was to the right of H. Clinton and Edwards; he launched a "Harry and Louise"-style right-wing mailer to attack her liberal health care plans.

He made insulting comments about labor unions and trial lawyers, letting us know he didn't think highly of either liberal bloc.

He ran concerts featuring an extreme gay-bashing ass, Donnie McClurkin, and issued a Republican-style "notpology" for his support of homophobia. To balance it, he invited a gay preacher to speak, then made sure the gay preacher would only read from the Bible, interjecting none of his own thoughts; and then he issued a REAL apology, for having invited the gay preacher.

When Krugman pointed out that Obama's policy proposals were consistently to the right of H. Clinton and John Edwards, Obama's people attacked Krugman. During the primaries, Obama was always quick to condemn left-wing ideas and left-wing thinkers, but never showed any willingness to condemn right-wing ideas and right-wing thinkers.

Obama made it clear, over and over, that he was going to work WITH the Republicans. He spelled it out for us, and it wasn't Bush's empty rhetoric of bipartisanship; Obama meant it, and it's been biting him in the ass all day every day from then till now. You can't work WITH lunatics.

On gay rights, on labor unions, on corporate oligarchy vs. little people represented by trial lawyers, on health care, on every single "substantive" issue outside of Iraq, Obama had staked out his position as the most right-wing Democrat among our candidates. And somehow many liberals believed he was one of us.
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MsPithy Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. OK, OK, you convinced me.
Obama tricked me into thinking he would fight for some progressive issues. I won't make that mistake in 2012.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #107
112. I'll probably vote for him in 2012.
I didn't think he was a liberal when I voted for him in 2008, so why should 2012 be any different?

More seriously, I think the Republicans will be beholden to the teaparty base, and throw an absolute whackjob into the ring with Obama. Sorry, I'd rather have a centrist like Obama than have to say the phrase, "President Bachmann."
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:14 PM
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3. The gang that couldn't speak straight. nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:33 PM
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6. I find the messaging from the WH deplorable and IMO creates a lot of their image
problems. When something goes wrong they are never effectively on top of it and when they do things right it's not touted enough IMO. I think the WH messaging lets the R's walk all over them. They seem to have lost all control of effective messaging, not even remotely as effective as during the 2008 elections.

I agree with all you've said!!!




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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:34 PM
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7. Why would he replace the entire team when they have had such successes?
That doesn't make sense. Some where around here is the long list of accomplishments, they can't be ignored.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:34 PM
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71. They weren't DLC enough. His campaign was run by liberals, but his cabinet is run by DLCers.
The differences in just plain competance is plainly obvious.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:34 PM
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8. Well said. Identifying "the left" as an enemy is political suicide
for a team that beat Clinton in the primaries because Obama was perceived as being more liberal than she.

And again, if this latest from Gibbs was intentional, and not a slip, what is the goal of attacking liberals, particularly now? With whom does such an attack gain traction? Rightwingers, who still claim Obama is a Muslim terrorist Marxist Commie? Republicans, who just want their cookie jar back? Liberals, who have now been called retards and druggies? Whose support would an outburst like this be calculated to gain?

It's a pretty bewildering approach, to say the least.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:06 PM
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17. I'm afraid the results in 2012 well might be startling to the WH if Obama runs
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 01:11 PM by RKP5637
and I find that sad, I had anticipated a lot of change. I know moderate dems that don't want to hear anything about him anymore and I find that sad too. I would think the WH would be trying to gain all of the support they can rather than some of the really jerk comments that come out...
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:12 PM
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18. Liberals are the only group showing high approval numbers ...
for President Obama as somone pointed out in another thread. Something like 80%, compared to half that among the general population.

Why would you start hacking away at 80% of the 40% who support you?

As the OP notes, this shows a tin ear.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. It's absolutely amazing, absolutely amazing. It's like some article I read recently, how to
lose an election without trying.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. He attacked those so far to the left they said Ds and Rs were the same
Why does the far far far left think it is in control of the majority? And then act angry when it's not treated as if it were the majority?

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #32
108. or supported scary canadian healthcare
that is just crazy!

Who would want universal quality healthcare for everyone? Only "professional leftists" who are "crazy" and need to be "drug tested" and 90% of DU.

Keep supporting anything this administration does or says. It is amusing to watch.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. If people want Canadian health care, they can elect the government,
including congress, that will vote for that. There is no way any President can make a decree for it.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #109
121. The people want Canadian health care and they want the President they elected to fight FOR it not
take it off the table before the negotiations begin.
They also want our dear commander in chief to issue an executive order that no gay/lesbians be dismissed from the military wile DADT is repealed.
They or should I way WE also want him to push congress to pass card check ( As candidate Obama said he would).
We also want him to stop the attack on schools thru the charter schools.
All in all we want him to quit the illegal unconstitutional acts of the prior mis-administrations (Illegal wars, spying on and KILLING American citizens, unlawful detentions, ignoring treasonous acts) are just a few of our grievances.

These things the President can decree.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #8
123. It was INTENTIONAL!
Planned out, word for word. Now, the question is what would be the motive behind this.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:36 PM
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9. The posturing by some here is hilarious.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Is the cartoon supposed to depict DU or Gibbs?
Oh, right, it must be DU, since the WH usually follows their insults by an emailed appeal for more ca$h within a week's time.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. LOL. The free advice from keyboard warriors is worth precisely what it costs. nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Since the gov. is now corp. owned the hell with anymore donations from here. I need
my money more than they do and it's not even pennies compared to their corp. sponsors. It's going to be a cold day in hell before I ever contribute again.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:33 PM
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21.  So are the unions "posturing" too?
Oct 2 DC One Nation march for jobs gets support of AFL-CIO

http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/oct-2-dc-o... /



During its Aug. 4-5 meeting in Washington, D.C., the AFL-CIO Executive Council issued a statement supporting the One Nation coalition and its October 2 Washington D.C. march for jobs. The AFL-CIO said saying we must fight the fear mongering and scapegoating that is dividing our country.

All of us have been dismayed, to say the least, by the failure of the Obama Administration to make more progress on restoring the economy, particularly in regards to job creation, fighting foreclosures and preventing further job losses resulting from budget cuts by state and local governments. We are frustrated by and angry at the obstructionism of Congressional Republicans.

Now, a new coalition (ONE NATION WORKING, TOGETHER) has come together to fight back on the jobs and the other issues necessary to save our economy. They have called for a March for Jobs on October in Washington, D.C. 2nd just two months away. On the same day, the union movement will walk door-to-door in targeted states around the country, mobilizing union members exactly one month before the fall elections.

The administration’s failure represents both a lack of leadership and a political shift toward the position of the “deficit hawks”—those Republicans and Democrats who believe that government spending, even counter-cyclical deficit spending to counter the impact of the Great Recession, represents a greater threat to the economy than the renewed recession the cutbacks the deficit hawks advocate would cause. The influence of the deficit hawks is the main reason that the Senate has failed to pass any re-authorization of the extension of unemployment benefits and why the version the House passed did not include an extension of subsidized COBRA (health care) benefits.

The leadership for this coalition comes from 1199, the New York based hospital workers union, and the national NAACP. Other unions, including the AFL-CIO and SEIU are already involved. A growing list of community organizations is on board. DSA has endorsed the March for Jobs, as did the U.S. Social Forum, when it convened in Detroit in June. In our view this mobilization can motivate grass roots activism that fights back against Congress’s and the administration’s retreat on job creation.

FULL story at link.

http://talkingunion.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/onenati...

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. As I posted, you are with all your practically believable free advice. nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Yeah well reasoned rebuttal. Do you work for the media team? Nice job.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 01:46 PM by saracat
:sarcasm: I guess just like the team, you also have zero concept of immediate response or a war room.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Your duplicity is sometimes entertaining, mostly a bore. nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Spoken like a true New Democrat.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. LOL. Labeling is practically a viable retort. Thanks for dropping by. nt
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 02:33 PM by AtomicKitten
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #36
52. So no answer about the unions, eh?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #52
62. You don't speak for the unions en mass; you use them to gratuitously stir up shit. nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #62
65.  What about they are marching on Washington do you NOT understand?
I do not speak for them They speak for themselves.Oct 2 DC One Nation march for jobs gets support of AFL-CIO

http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/oct-2-dc-o ... /



During its Aug. 4-5 meeting in Washington, D.C., the AFL-CIO Executive Council issued a statement supporting the One Nation coalition and its October 2 Washington D.C. march for jobs. The AFL-CIO said saying we must fight the fear mongering and scapegoating that is dividing our country.

All of us have been dismayed, to say the least, by the failure of the Obama Administration to make more progress on restoring the economy, particularly in regards to job creation, fighting foreclosures and preventing further job losses resulting from budget cuts by state and local governments. We are frustrated by and angry at the obstructionism of Congressional Republicans.

Now, a new coalition (ONE NATION WORKING, TOGETHER) has come together to fight back on the jobs and the other issues necessary to save our economy. They have called for a March for Jobs on October in Washington, D.C. 2nd just two months away. On the same day, the union movement will walk door-to-door in targeted states around the country, mobilizing union members exactly one month before the fall elections.

The administration’s failure represents both a lack of leadership and a political shift toward the position of the “deficit hawks”—those Republicans and Democrats who believe that government spending, even counter-cyclical deficit spending to counter the impact of the Great Recession, represents a greater threat to the economy than the renewed recession the cutbacks the deficit hawks advocate would cause. The influence of the deficit hawks is the main reason that the Senate has failed to pass any re-authorization of the extension of unemployment benefits and why the version the House passed did not include an extension of subsidized COBRA (health care) benefits.

The leadership for this coalition comes from 1199, the New York based hospital workers union, and the national NAACP. Other unions, including the AFL-CIO and SEIU are already involved. A growing list of community organizations is on board. DSA has endorsed the March for Jobs, as did the U.S. Social Forum, when it convened in Detroit in June. In our view this mobilization can motivate grass roots activism that fights back against Congress’s and the administration’s retreat on job creation.

FULL story at link.

http://talkingunion.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/onenati ...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:28 PM
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67. Deleted message
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #67
73. I am an elected Democratic Party Official. and former District Chair
and Exec Board member. My husband is a Union member and former Democratic Candidate. I am currently working to elect my local Dems statwide. Don't you DARE tell me that I do not come from a place of goodwill. The WH Media is inept and their messaging skills need to be refined. Defending the indefensible and having no damage control skills is what loses elections. BTW, every true grass roots activist takes basic classes in media response. I would assume many people not realizing the problems called out have not been activists.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #73
84. You have outed yourself on the interweb.
"Don't you DARE tell me that I do not come from a place of goodwill."

:rofl:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:32 PM
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92.  Outed myself as what ? A Democrat?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #73
89. Coming from a place of goodwill?
:spray: To whom?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. I support the Democratic Party and retain the right to criticize the President, the Admin and any
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 04:34 PM by saracat
other members of my Party I feel deserve it. I also retain the right to praise any of those who I feel deserve it and have often praised such Dems as Alan Grayson and Anthony Weiner. I have often praised the Speaker , particularly for her support of the Public Option. I support Rep Harry Michell for his advocacy of veterans and his refusal to take a congressional pay raise and for leading the fight against automatic pay raises. I admire Raul Grijalva for his stance on most issues. There are many Democrats I respect And I have praised the President as well, but I do not lock step and give support or praise when unwarranted in my opinion.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #90
125. +1 nt
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
94.  I guess Think Progress isn't coming from a place of goodwill either!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=404428&mesg_id=404428

N.B. "Coming from a place of goodwill" doesn't mean bootlicking total acceptance. The party cannot fix mistakes if they do NOT acknowledge they took place.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
124. Spoken like an expert in duplicity. nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:40 PM
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11. K&R
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 12:43 PM
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13. But..but..the White House is just trying to get "The Left" to understand "reality".
The White House's version of it, that is.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:36 PM
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22. k&r for solid analysis. n/t
-Laelth
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:45 PM
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25. There's the pot calling the kettle black.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:46 PM
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27. lol priceless
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:52 PM
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30. LOL
:thumbsup:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:54 PM
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31. Perfect! n/t
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:58 PM
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33. ROFL!
:rofl:

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:18 PM
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37. lolsnort
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:25 PM
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66. Truth!
n/t
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:40 PM
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76. Ooooh....Snap!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:43 PM
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77. + infinity
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:11 PM
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88. Spot on
:rofl:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:38 PM
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93. All the usual suspects.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 04:39 PM by Mithreal
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:00 PM
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103. Yep! All Lined up pretty as you please!
If anyone ever desired to see a tight grouping of "the team" there it is!
Cheers!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:36 PM
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114. for a snark that failed
they must be feeling exceptionally isolated today.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:24 PM
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126. ? Not snark. Solidarity!
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:41 PM
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115. They're everywhere.
All up and down this thread, in fact.

Fancy that.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:42 PM
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116. You nailed that one, alright.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 07:26 AM
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119. heh
True dat.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:47 PM
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28. K&R
:hi:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 01:52 PM
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29. k n r
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:32 PM
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38. i agree completely. k/r
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:39 PM
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39. Wasn't this guy supposed to be *good* at politics?
:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:48 PM
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46. Yes. He was nominated over a real liberal like Dennis
because he was good at politics, right? :shrug:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:43 PM
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41. I believe it's strategy and their triangulating means we'll hear more of the same.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:44 PM
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42. You do have to wonder what in the hell they're thinking. nt
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:45 PM
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43. Another cheap shot at Michelle Obama
"They did nothing to tone down an expensive trip of the First Lady's as unemployment benefits are being questioned in a recession shocked nation."

We get it--you don't like her. Jealous much?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:48 PM
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47. Interesting. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:54 PM
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50. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:04 PM
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54. Thanks for another fine example of the "tin ear". These are perceptions that should have been
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM by saracat
managed". Again, it is stupid to give ammo to the Press. They will use it every time. It .The WH needs Damage Control.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM
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56. LMAO.
Yes, the reason you peddle Fox News smears of the First Lady every chance you get is Robert Gibbs's fault.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:10 PM
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59. Yeah, all the times I have praised her don't count. This isn't so much about her as how her image is
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:11 PM by saracat
"managed". In an age where we have 24 hour news cycles, and instant celebrity, perception has become reality. The First lady, Thre president, the Kids and even the dogs are products that need to be "marketed" correctly.This is not being done. If it were these stories wouldn't be front and center. The "tin ear" displayed by all concerned is stunning.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:47 PM
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44. Tin conducts better than this. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:47 PM
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45. "I really question the alleged "liberal approval numbers. " Actually,
Gibbs' comment was spot on.

It's not unusual, but what is fascinating is how defensive people are about a criticism of the "professional left" who continue to claim that President Obama is just like Bush.


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:49 PM
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48. When someone walks back a mistake, you are not helping by defending it.
lol
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:58 PM
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51. He did not walk back his sentiment. Still,
did you think those who agreed would leave it to those who are defensive to milk the issue?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:05 PM
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55. Exactly, he did not walk back his sentiment.
He only said he was unartful which is more dogwhistling.

And frankly, I can't think of a good reason why anyone who wants us to keep the majority would continue to push this divisive crap. But, please, be my guest.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:10 PM
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58. "why anyone who wants us to keep the majority would continue to push this divisive crap."
So all the "Obama = Bush," and other anti-Obama crap are attempts to preserve unity?



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:13 PM
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60. Have none of you ever taken even a basic psych class?
You don't beat up on upset people. You find a way to connect and agree.

And comparing voters to the PRESIDENT AND HIS PR TEAM is beyond pathetic. He was elected to LEAD. That is the job.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:29 PM
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69. "You don't beat up on upset people. "
People beat up on teabaggers all the time.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:39 PM
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75. But the difference is no one expects the teabaggers to vote for them.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 03:40 PM by saracat
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:51 PM
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80. No, they don't. Republicans looking for votes go out of their way
to court the tea klan.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:57 PM
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85. Right, that's why Boehner called them murderers. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:32 PM
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91. And that's why there is now a Tea Party Caucus!
Voila.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:08 PM
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104. Robert Gibbs doesn't. n/t
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:53 PM
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81. And he demonstrated that tin ear again in his "clarification."
He said he understood people were dissatisfied with the slowness of progress -- when the truth is, the real problem is direction, not speed.

(Think those who agree with Gibbs will actually comprehend what I just wrote without jumping down my throat? Nah, me neither.)
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 02:50 PM
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49. At least get the Rahm thing correct
He did not - DID NOT - refer to "the left" as "fucking retards".

He referred to a policy as "fucking retarded".

The actual reference is still not a good thing, but at least get it closer to correct.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:36 PM
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72. Rahm is fu*king Retarded. (nt)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:00 PM
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53. No longer include unions? lol. Ask Detroit.
If you can come out of YOUR bubble long enough to face reality.

Gibbs is 100% right. Good fucking god STOP WHINING.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:16 PM
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63.  Gee, does this sound like the unions are thrilled? But I guess they are included in
the "professional left".


Oct 2 DC One Nation march for jobs gets support of AFL-CIO

http://talkingunion.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/oct-2-dc-o ... /



During its Aug. 4-5 meeting in Washington, D.C., the AFL-CIO Executive Council issued a statement supporting the One Nation coalition and its October 2 Washington D.C. march for jobs. The AFL-CIO said saying we must fight the fear mongering and scapegoating that is dividing our country.

All of us have been dismayed, to say the least, by the failure of the Obama Administration to make more progress on restoring the economy, particularly in regards to job creation, fighting foreclosures and preventing further job losses resulting from budget cuts by state and local governments. We are frustrated by and angry at the obstructionism of Congressional Republicans.

Now, a new coalition (ONE NATION WORKING, TOGETHER) has come together to fight back on the jobs and the other issues necessary to save our economy. They have called for a March for Jobs on October in Washington, D.C. 2nd just two months away. On the same day, the union movement will walk door-to-door in targeted states around the country, mobilizing union members exactly one month before the fall elections.

The administration’s failure represents both a lack of leadership and a political shift toward the position of the “deficit hawks”—those Republicans and Democrats who believe that government spending, even counter-cyclical deficit spending to counter the impact of the Great Recession, represents a greater threat to the economy than the renewed recession the cutbacks the deficit hawks advocate would cause. The influence of the deficit hawks is the main reason that the Senate has failed to pass any re-authorization of the extension of unemployment benefits and why the version the House passed did not include an extension of subsidized COBRA (health care) benefits.

The leadership for this coalition comes from 1199, the New York based hospital workers union, and the national NAACP. Other unions, including the AFL-CIO and SEIU are already involved. A growing list of community organizations is on board. DSA has endorsed the March for Jobs, as did the U.S. Social Forum, when it convened in Detroit in June. In our view this mobilization can motivate grass roots activism that fights back against Congress’s and the administration’s retreat on job creation.

FULL story at link.

http://talkingunion.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/onenati ...
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 08:30 AM
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120. Keep posting that....
cause it really seems to get in the crawl of all the conservadems around these parts :yourock:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM
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57. Good Lord Saracat.. now you want rid of Gibbs too?
He may have put his foot in his mouth..but on the whole, how he keeps his cool while the hell hounds howl is pretty good..
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:14 PM
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61. I defended him and for weeks while most of GDP was calling for his head
as he moved into the new job.

Boy, am I an idiot.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:17 PM
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64. The messaging from this WH is very bad. Gibbs frames a lot of that behind the scenes.
He needs to go.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:33 PM
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70. Astutely perceptive is not the same as "tin ear"
It's just those that love to criticize and attack don't live by the golden rule.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:54 PM
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83. There goes another Irony Meter.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:39 PM
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74. THIS
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:49 PM
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79. A little proofreading would go a long way at making your point.
How can you complain about crappy communications when you leave off 's'es everywhere and can't use "there", "their" and "they're" correctly?

Well, you can.... and your complains are indeed legit. But you lose ground with mistakes easily corrected... much more easily than the WH's communication problems.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 03:54 PM
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82. Point taken. I know better. Anger and a sticking keyboard account for it.
I went back to edit more and the editing period expired. You are absolutely correct.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:05 PM
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97.  And BTW, it is "complaints(s) not complains if you want to be picky! LOL!
"But you lose ground with mistakes easily corrected.." Maybe your keyboard sticks too!. :rofl:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 04:00 PM
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87. I read what the Obama administration is saying and doing as wanting to make liberals angry at them.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-10 04:01 PM by w4rma
Maybe so that they can say that they aren't liberal. Maybe because they are all DLCers who really hate liberals. But, both reasons are good enough reasons to return the attacks that the White House is giving right back at them.

They obviously want to be attacked by liberals, so give them what they want. (And in the meantime, destroy the political lives of every DLCer possible since they brought it on themselves.)
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:05 PM
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96. Oh yeah, Bush's team was better. Bullshit (and I almost NEVER say that).
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activa8tr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:07 PM
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98. Tin Ear... for sure.. FIRE GIBBS TONIGHT!
My answer... that press media team is out of touch... has not the slightest CLUE about what is out there.

Obama is FAILING... he should call them all together tomorrow at 6 AM and make them read the DU for 2 days !
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:15 PM
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99. I agree that Gibbs really ought to go.
He should have listened to Van Jones' speech at Netroots Nation a few more times.

Van acknowledged that many of us are heartbroken, having hoped for more significant change in view of the devastating impact of the Economic and Moral Icebergs the Bush Gang crashed our country into.

Then he reminded us of the positive changes that had been made and asked us to keep fighting and not give up hope.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:32 PM
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100. K&R nt
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:38 PM
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101. K&R.
There's little I can add to your brilliant (as always) OP.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 06:40 PM
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102. K&R those are their genuine views, as they implement a center-right agenda
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 07:10 PM
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105. yup
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:18 PM
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110. They've pretty much said they are not going to obey a minority
that feels entitled to order them around. They are not going to cater to a minority that will never be satisfied. Pretty sensible, actually.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:22 PM
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111. it is called INCOMPETENCE
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-10 10:26 PM
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113. ABT- Always Be Triangulating!
They don't have a tin ear, they actually think that their stupid middle of the road, always move to the right strategy got Clinton elected and they are just repeating their "genius" playbook. Now all they need is Ross Perot!
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:40 AM
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117. All true, and more...but....
...the best thread title in ages! Kudos.
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kiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 12:49 AM
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118. K&R n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-10 11:51 AM
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122. There is only one explanation.
They want to lose the majority in November. I guess then we will see the TRUE agenda.
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