a judge-appointee by a Dem prez RULED today. U who say ALL-same, or 3rdParty - GET it now?!1

[UTUSN]

Justice is not PARTISAN. Except for all the "judges" that are appointed by Rethugs.


So.


Those who are pissed, dissatisfied, incomplete by OUR DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT - and who say THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, - and who say they will vote 3rd party or NOT vote:


The WINNER gets to APPOINT all up and down the line and today a CLINTON-appointed judge ruled WISELY.


NO 3rd party, NO they're ALL THE SAME


When we have a Dem prez (head-of-the-fish), he/she gets to appoint all UP and DOWN the line, and THIS HAS (positive) consequences FOR US for years and years.

[EstimatedProphet]

1. Exactly

[rug]

2. Earl Warren was a Republican appointed by a Republican.

[Jennicut]

5. He was nominated by Ike and was popular as Goveror of CA with all types.

"As governor of California, Warren was very popular across party lines, so much so that in the 1946 gubernatorial election he won the nominations of the Democratic, Progressive, and Republican parties and was reelected virtually without opposition." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Warren

[rug]

9. From your link:

"Warren ran for Vice President of the United States in 1948 on the Republican ticket with Thomas Dewey."

[Jennicut]

13. Dewey was not a major ultra conservative either. He was considered a liberal Republican.

Let's face it, it was different back then. The parties shifted to the right and Ike and Dewey would not be considered Repubs today, they would be Dems. Dewey didn't even go to the RNC in 1964 because he thought Goldwater was too conservative!

[BlueIdaho]

7. I wonder if anything like that could happen today?

I suspect their nominees need to be so ideologically pure to be considered for appointment we won't see that again in our lifetimes.

[Arkana]

47. That was a blatant political favor.

Eisenhower repaid a favor to Warren--in return for the Republican nomination for President, Eisenhower promised in 1952 that he would put Warren up for the first SCOTUS vacancy that came up. Unfortunately for Eisenhower, that first vacancy happened to be the chief justiceship.

[rug]

53. And look what happened.

[Arkana]

55. Well, I never said it was a bad thing...but Eisenhower wrote that he regretted it

in his memoirs.

[Jennicut]

3. Honestly, appointing judges is one the most important and lasting decisions Presidents can make.

It DOES matter! Compare this to the Rethug appointed judge with the off shore drilling moratorium case.

[babylonsister]

4. Limbaugh can't believe AZ judge is "nonpartisan" -- but she was recommended by a Republican

:D

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201007280053

Rush Limbaugh launched a typically partisan attack against U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, who blocked parts of the Arizona immigration law from taking effect. Rush ridiculed the idea that Bolton has been described as "nonpartisan" or "fair" and accused her of "simply adopting the ACLU's argument" regarding the case. To hammer home his point, Limbaugh repeatedly described her as a "Clinton appointee."

But Rush's attempt to paint Bolton as a hopelessly partisan or activist judge is undermined the fact that she was reportedly recommended to President Clinton by conservative Republican Senator Jon Kyl.

more...

[Canuckistanian]

6. Elections have consequences

You snooze, you lose.

Deal with it.

[mmonk]

8. I sure wish more Senators would have acted to stop Roberts and Alito.

They will last a generation.

[UTUSN]

10. You got me there. n/t

[sandnsea]

15. And a Democrat wouldn't have appointed them

So if it doesn't matter who is President, then you should be just as happy with them as anybody else.

[UTUSN]

16. Bingo!1 Thank you!1 n/t

[mmonk]

18. But they let them through and it matters.

Seven Democrats of the gang of 14. The current court has been called the most conservative in living memory.

[readmoreoften]

11. And when Dem appointed judges collude with corporations and fascist elements, you say nothing.

Which is 98% of the time. 100% toxic drinking water and 98% toxic drinking water are both too toxic for survival. How many Dem appointed judges have fucked over gay people? Plenty. How many Dem appointed judges fuck over labor? Plenty.

SB1070 is so rancid, I wouldn't be surprised if a Republican judge blocked it. Stevens was my favorite judge and he was appointed by a Republican.

[VMI Dem]

12. A Democratic President is escalating an unjust war and opposes civil rights for gays.

What about those consequences.

Fuck that.

[sandnsea]

14. Well you tried anyway

Apparently there is absolutely no reason at all to elect Democrats for some people around here.

[Dragonfli]

17. Democrats yes!!! Republicans in (D)rag? not so much

The real crying game is Republicans that run in (D)rag and get support from the democratic far right along with all the money the party can give them (even against real Dem rivals in primaries). A recipe for republican legislation coming right out of our party, like mandated private insurance with a fine for non-compliance and deductibles so high that no one but the upper middle class can afford (meaning the insurance can not be used no matter how much you are forced to pay for high premiums. as you can not pay the "Use it" vig)

Protection rackets and forced purchases for insurance you can't afford to use are Republican Ideas brought up in the nineties, tried out by Romney and forced on the rest of us by Republicans in (D)rag.

Get it now?

[sandnsea]

21. What do you know of Kitzhaber of Oregon? n/t

[Dragonfli]

24. Very Little, I live in NY

I only know that he is making statements that are very supportive of state workers and is rallying against cuts that would be stupid and harmful (I have no Idea if he means it).

Now, can you respond to the problem we have with republican legislation coming out of our party and being made law?

Or is that just OK with you because of the (D) frock worn by so many in our infiltrated party?

Kitzhaber sounds like a real Dem, I like what I hear, but I liked when Obama said mandates were stupid and a public option was key to keeping costs down - the actions did not match the words, instead we got a republican plan due largely to Republicans in (D)rag. An old republican scheme that is absurd and unusable to working class Americans while being very profitable to an unnecessary and criminal third party leach (The insurance Companies).

I can only hope Ktzhaber isn't saying one thing now only to do the opposite as did Obama on health care.

Republican Ideas are bad for most of the population, they should not be made law by Democrats.

Get it yet or am I just wasting my breath here?

[sandnsea]

33. He signed subsidized health insurance

And we're damn glad to have it.

[Dragonfli]

37. Then you are lucky enough to be able to afford the deductable and out of pockets.

That puts you in the minority of the whole of the new service industry working class.

For many more of us, even with the federal dollars (all going to third party insurers that routinely deny claims), what isn't covered will be a drain from food and rent and the money for co-pays and deductibles simply does not exist (that means we can't use what we are forced to pay for) How can you not get how that works or how that is harmful? or is it just a matter of you being able to afford the gold plan along with the co-pays so FUCK the larger majority, after all you are "damn glad" your fate is better and you can afford to use YOUR policy?

[sandnsea]

41. No, the deductible is $500

and there are no co-pays and most of my medication is completely free.

However, the point is that there is no way any sane person could compare ANY Democrat with ANY Republican and say it doesn't matter. It always does, on one thing or other, the Democrat always comes down better. If you pick at any Democrat enough, you can twist any one of them into evil incarnate. The only good that accomplishes is to keep Democrats home which is the only way Republicans can win.

[Dragonfli]

43. I don't want any more Republican Legislation (does it matter who installs it?)

Do Dick Armeys Ideas get better when written into law by Dems?
I want Democratic legislation, that is the important part - bad ideas are still bad even when adopted from them by us.

You think the initial next to the name matters, I think it is the laws passed that matter, that is all I am saying.


edited to add, The deductibles will be much more than that, look how the same type of plan worked out when Romney did it.

$5,000 Deductible plans will likely be the "bronze option" most will be stuck with for lack of income.

If you want realistic examples look to the a nearly identical plan after it's implementation, ala RomneyCare.

[sandnsea]

44. It's Kitzhaber legislation. Get it? n/t

[Dragonfli]

46. No I honestly don't get it, wish I did, I would like to understand support of Republican Ideas

I would like to see more than the reality I Live - one in which I cannot afford a policy but must buy it or get fined, and then not have the money to use it.

It would take me 2 months to save up 100 bucks and my diet would suffer to do it, $500 $5,000 (more likely) for deductable I simply will not be able to come up with and so the insurance will be a paperweight I won't be able to use and the balance after the Fed money I Owe for this policy will eat into my food money as well.

Kinda sucks for people like me don't you think? Or don't you care?

[applegrove]

19. Thanks for pointing this out.

[UTUSN]

20. You're welcome!1 Can you help explain it to those who need it explained?!1 Thanks!1 n/t

[applegrove]

22. I'm hoping the mods will step in because nobody is supposed to be advocating

voting for anyone but the democrats. I think they do but I will alert if I see more talk of third parties, etc.

[Sebastian Doyle]

23. Guess you missed all the pro Crist threads?

:shrug:

[applegrove]

25. I did miss that.

[Luminous Animal]

27. Pro-Crist threads are endorsed by DUs powers that be...

despite the fact that Crist has a Democratic opponent.

[Sebastian Doyle]

29. and despite the fact that Crist still calls himself a CONSERVATIVE

Asked during an interview with CBS’s “Early Show” for his response to critics who have called him a “Republican in name only” — better known by the acronym RINO — Crist said “if I’m a RINO, then so is Ronald Reagan.”

[applegrove]

30. That is a tough call.

[Dragonfli]

32. Not If You Are A Democrat!!!!!!

Or don't you support the party?
You are with the Dems in Florida or you are against them.
Crist is not the Democrat so why is it "a tough cal"?

Only a Splinterer would even consider voting against a D unless they are a Republican.

Are you
A Democrat
A splinterer
Or a Republican?

[applegrove]

34. I'm a democrat.

[Luminous Animal]

35. Why? Please.

I really want to know why you would characterize supporting Crist, a tough call.

[applegrove]

39. A tough call for Skinner because Christ is so popular among middle of the road democrats in

florida. I guess it is wrong to talk about it here. I hate all the third party talk here. I was being hypocritical by empathizing with Skinner.

[stevenleser]

38. They are not pro-Crist threads.

They are threads saying if Meek cannot make it, then Crist should be the alternative to support Meek. that is not "Pro Crist" no matter how much you try to make them out to be.

[Dragonfli]

26. They Must have all been locked as he is a (R)ight (I)ndependant

Running against a Dem.

The threads you saw are not real:crazy:

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. Well now that Rahm Emanuel is endorsing Meek

I'm sure all traces of Crist shilling on DU will be long gone ;)

[Dragonfli]

31. Funny how one thing follows the other - obediently and promptly

Coincidences are so much fun to observe.

[jberryhill]

36. She was nominated by Sen. Kyl. Fail.

And the result in this case is something of a no brainer, given that immigration law is an area of exclusive federal pre-emption.

If you think that legal results are primarily the result of political agendae of federal judges at the district court level, you haven't spent much time looking at federal district courts and how they operate.

However district judge appointments are largely based on sponsorship of senators from the state in question.

[sandnsea]

42. Senators do not nominate judges

Both Senators from the state compile a list of names for consideration. The President doesn't have to choose one. That Clinton did, is on Clinton, not Kyl.

I mean your hatred is really that deep?

[jberryhill]

48. Hatred?

The hatred here is the utter contempt with which the OP holds the judicial process. The OP basically says that this judge is unprincipled and that the decision rendered by the judge is simply a matter of her personal preference.

That is an insult to the judge, and you are too shallow to even see it as one.

[sandnsea]

52. That is not remotely what the OP says

How long did you have to stew to think up that one?

[jberryhill]

56. All of about 30 seconds

The suggestion that the judge ruled on the basis of political bias is an insult, and that is not any sort of stretch.

[havocmom]

40. are we talking about the judge who put a stay on much of AZ's 1070?

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, appointed by Clinton? On the recommendation of AZ dingbat winger senator John Kyl? Gotta thank the fates that sometimes good is done by errant GOP idiots too.

http://leftword.blogdig.net/archives/articles/July2010/28/Kyl_Approved_Judge_Susan_Bolton_Blocks_Key_Provisions_Of_Arizona_Immigration_Law.html

or: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/07/28/kyl-judge-sb1070/

...

Ironically, on the recommendation of Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) — an ardent proponent of SB-1070 — Bolton was nominated to the United States District Court for the District of Arizona by President Bill Clinton back in 2000. During her confirmation hearing, Kyl stated:

Well, there is one person in our state who’s a real expert on this in the judiciary, and that’s Judge Bolton. And because of her expertise and fairness, all of the contending interests from Arizona have been willing to place their concerns before her to be resolved, and she is right in the middle of this important litigation right now. They will be very sorry to see her leave in Maricopa County Superior Court bench. So, I have some mixed emotions in helping to nominate or to confirm Judge Bolton, but that’s how highly thought of she is.

...

[depakid]

45. Bizarre post to say the least- the law on this mater couldn't be more obvious

Any judge would have ruled this way. Indeed, a conservative judge might even be more likely to given the legal issues.

[jberryhill]

49. Egg zactly

The OP is an insult.

[donco6]

51. Even Fox news said he ruled according to the traditional interp of the law. n/t

[fascisthunter]

54. .

[MyNameGoesHere]

50. Our Presidents select the nominee based on who the right finds acceptable

how does that help? If the dems try to do that they get skewered every which way till Sunday. How is this party helping any loyal member exactly? I don't see it now and I haven't seen it since pre-1994. They let their guilt from the corruption that was rampant to lose their voice for the people they represent. From that point forward it has been a two party system of gotchas. How is that good?