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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:00 AM
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Iran says it has 100 vessels for each U.S. warship
Iran says it has 100 vessels for each U.S. warship
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI - The Associated Press
Posted : Saturday Jul 24, 2010 13:16:28 EDT

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) The former naval chief for Irans Revolutionary Guard said the country has set aside 100 military vessels to confront each warship from the U.S. or any other foreign power that might pose a threat, an Iranian newspaper reported Saturday.

Such a military confrontation in the vital oil lanes of the Persian Gulf would be of major global concern. The warning builds on earlier threats by Iran to seal off the Gulfs strategic Strait of Hormuz through which 40 percent of the worlds oil passes in response to any military attack.

We have set aside 100 military vessels for each (U.S.) warship to attack at the time of necessity, Gen. Morteza Saffari was quoted as saying by the conservative weekly Panjereh.

The U.S. and Israel have said military force could be used if diplomacy fails to stop what they suspect is an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Iran denies any aim to develop such weapons and says its nuclear work is for peaceful purposes like power generation.

The U.S. Navys 5th Fleet headquarters is based just across the Gulf from Iran in Bahrain.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:05 AM
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1. That would include rowboats I'd guess? nt
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:34 AM
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2. All it takes is a small fast boat loaded with explosives.
Actually I'm far more worried about the Sunburn missiles they have.
Think supersonic Exocet with improved capabilities.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 10:03 AM
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7. The Sunburn meme is significantly overplayed
USN has effective responses. The pages on the web doing the fear mongering all have a single seminal source.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:38 AM
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8. their effective response is based on the open sea scenario
Not in the confined waters of the Persian Gulf with mountains behind the launch effectively muddying the radar signal
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:20 PM
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14. USN has means/methods to address choke point scenarios as well
Edited on Sun Jul-25-10 12:21 PM by ProgressiveProfessor
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:29 PM
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16. When I was in the Air Farce there were all sorts of brilliantly planned scenarios.
When the metabolic byproducts started hitting the atmospheric impeller blades, all bets were off.

"No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy"
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:43 PM
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19. USN has been actively working it for some time. The key is to know it is coming
UAVs make that a lot easier these days.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:40 AM
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3. Maybe canoes, too...nt
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 06:54 AM
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4. ...and don't forget the pool floaties.
An important part of any sea defense.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:51 AM
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11. I'm imagining a bunch of Iranians in inner tubes holding AKs
and it's cracking me the fuck up.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:58 PM
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21. and they're ululating
they're coming for the battleship in an innertube and they're ululating
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:08 PM
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13. Canoes would be remarkably effective, actually
Send 100 canoes out at night at a modern warship, each with a rocket launcher and/or some explosives on it.

They're low to the water, and made of wood, so the ship's radar doesn't pick them up. They're quiet, too, so somebody has to actually spot them. And the AEGIS system doesn't help you; all you can do is try to light up 100 silent canoes with the deck floodlights, and pick them off with the 4 deck .50 cals. Before any of them get close enough to detonate.

I'd be worried.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:05 PM
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12. Remember the USS Cole?
It just takes one lucky Zodiac, a few pounds of C4, and a very devoted bosun to cripple a warship.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:34 PM
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18. yeah...everybody does.
There'll be a thousand innocents in a rowboat blown to smithereens before THAT happens again.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:50 AM
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5. And where may I ask are they hiding them?
Do they have an underground sea. Something they thought of when Cheney had all those undisclosed locations.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 09:56 AM
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6. .
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:48 AM
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9. US. We have 100 guided munitions for each of your claimed
vessels.

What they do have there is better drugs.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 11:50 AM
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10. Ahahahaha. I bet.
Iran's Baghdad Bobs are as terrible at lying as the originals.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:25 PM
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15. Its called the small boat threat and its credible
RPG up close and personal can do a number on a capital ship. Get enough of them and it gets to be a serious problem. Attack en masse in a choke point, and some may get through

However there are effective means to counteract it. Cobras, Apaches, Hueys with mounted guns, AC-130s, any fast mover with a gun. Really nasty is a supersonic low pass (also questionable under the laws of war) but its low cost and very effective. The key is know they are coming.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:30 PM
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17. Does say "Vessels", not warships
The first estimate that I could find (Wikipedia, as Jane's is now sadly behind a pay-wall) is that Iran has: 4 Destroyers, 5 frigates, 2 corvettes, and 15 patrol-boats.

How many minutes these would survive after an all-out attack on US Naval forces in the eastern Med is an interesting question.

As far as the hundreds of "vessels" the effectiveness of small-craft against warships is greatly over-rated, witness the relative ineffectiveness of torpedo boat attacks in WW2. The success against the Cole being due to the deception of an attack in harbor.

If hundreds of small-craft suddenly burst from harbor I think most Naval captains would retire to sea (Navies never 'retreat') at a speed much greater than speedboats can sustain in open waters - that, or turn them into kindling with the Phalanx Gatling gun system mounted on all (I believe) US Surface warships which fires, depending upon the model, 3000-4500 20mm cannon rounds per minute.


British Grand Fleet at the Conclusion of The War to End All Wars (WWI)
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 12:46 PM
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20. Bang Bang Go The Drums. nt
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-10 12:00 AM
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22. It's not the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean.
Well, actually, it is sort of the size of the boat.
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